Mass shooting at Pulse Nightclub in Orlando Florida: Political Discussion [SPLIT]

[evanrick]

you can not say Americans involvement in middle east conflict did not cause in ANY some way shape or form for this person to become radicalized.

we need FEWER wars NOT MORE

 

[Benvolio]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

he didnt use a bomb he used GUNS

The point is that confiscating guns would not have prevented this.

 

[Kabluey]

The point is that confiscating guns would not have prevented this.

There are around 30 mass shootings per year in the US.
How many bombings are there?

You can't ban terrorism, but you can make it harder to do.

 

[Alnitak]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

The point is that confiscating guns would not have prevented this.

No one has a crystal ball to say yea or nay. However, according to your own logic on immigrants, the fewer the guns, the less likely an act of terror.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

I'm disgusted that a person can be on the terrorist watch list and still buy firearms.

So you think U.S. citizens should be subject to being deprived of their rights without due process of law?

The "terrorist watch list" is a travesty -- they don't even have to investigate to put you on it, and they don't have to give you a chance to defend yourself.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

No.

Your lack of logic is laughable. If it wasn't so pitiful.

Any person from almost any country in the world can get on a plane to visit the US on 2 week vacation and once here, can obtain an arsenal of weapons with no difficulty at all and then shoot and bomb people.

And the lies roll....

A visitor to the U.S. would have one hell of a difficult time getting any weapon other than a simple knife, unless that visitor already had criminal contacts.

 

[Kyanimal]

It may not have been jihadist as much as homophobic. The shooter's family, and friends, have stated he was not all that religious, but did have a temper, and felt affronted by some public same sex showings of affection that he'd recently witnessed.

I'm not giving too much credence to his 911 call acclaiming allegiance to ISIS. I'm thinking that was more an attempt to raise his profile and get attention.

I'm thinking he was more fanaticised by the current U.S. political landscape, the ascension of extremities, and the vilification of "Others".

As a U.S. born citizen, and his employment as a security guard, he had the rights to buy the weapons that he did. He was further licensed to do so. And, though the F.B.I. had interviewed him several times, regarding his connection to possibly "Islamic Extremism", he had been cleared of concern in that regard.

Perhaps more attention should have been paid to his known bouts of temper, and instances of beating his former wife.

There were indications he was "unstable" in spite of his being Muslim.

The dude was "twisted". No doubt about that!

 

[Telstra]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

Easy. The killer is not mentally ill. He is jihadist.

Jihadist and mentally ill are similar, both can be detected.
So why not strict backgrounds checks?? NRA opposed background checks which is criminal in my opinion.

 

[Benvolio]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

No one has a crystal ball to say yea or nay. However, according to your own logic on immigrants, the fewer the guns, the less likely an act of terror.

Some types of crime perhaps; terrorism not likely. And immigration serves no US purpose.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

Yea, that's what I find reprehensible about the coverage so far too.

Why is the truth reprehensible? This is the same thing we see in Pakistan: Muslims seeing something they hate and deciding that killing those people is the answer. It should be a wake-up call that just because this isn't a Muslim country doesn't mean that the bronze-age attitudes of many Muslims aren't going to result in violence here.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

if anyone should realize anything is that the NSA, FBI, and every other anti-terrorism agency did their jobs 100%, what led to this shooting were American gun laws in Florida and across the USA.

What led to this shooting was bigotry and religious fanaticism.

What the gun laws did was to guarantee a high death toll, by making sure no one could stop the attacker until then police finally got their rears in gear and did so. This is proof that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have good guys with guns -- but most of the good guys, thanks to gun-control foolishness, were disarmed.

Any gay with good sense will respond to this by seeking out the local Pink Pistols, getting a gun, getting trained, and fighting to get the laws changed so next time instead of fifty people dead there will be a tenth of that, or less. After all, the attacker was armed with a common hunting weapon and could only shoot one person at a time.


http://www.pinkpistols.org/

 

[Alnitak]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

And immigration serves no US purpose.

Well we wouldn't be here, unless you're full blooded Native American.

 

[Kulindahr]

I agree. While attempted mass killings might not reduce in terms of occurrence, the number of people killed in each attempt would be lower if the gunman didn't have access to weapons designed for warfare.

The gunman didn't have any "weapons designed for warfare". What he had was a common hunting rifle, one recommended by experts as a good weapon for home defense. which shoots one round each time the trigger is pulled.

 

[hotatlboi]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

What led to this shooting was bigotry and religious fanaticism.

What the gun laws did was to guarantee a high death toll, by making sure no one could stop the attacker until then police finally got their rears in gear and did so. This is proof that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have good guys with guns -- but most of the good guys, thanks to gun-control foolishness, were disarmed.

Any gay with good sense will respond to this by seeking out the local Pink Pistols, getting a gun, getting trained, and fighting to get the laws changed so next time instead of fifty people dead there will be a tenth of that, or less. After all, the attacker was armed with a common hunting weapon and could only shoot one person at a time.


http://www.pinkpistols.org/

Sorry but a bunch of drunk people packing in clubs is probably a bad idea that would lead to more deaths in the long run.

 

[hotatlboi]

The gunman didn't have any "weapons designed for warfare". What he had was a common hunting rifle, one recommended by experts as a good weapon for home defense. which shoots one round each time the trigger is pulled.

False. The AR-15 was designed for war. It's lethality is the same as the military version in single shot mode, and the Army field manual actually recommends single shot mode depending on the situation because of its increased accuracy.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

gun laws were rolled back during moron George w bush----the ultimate chicken hawk----Obama has been trying to bring common sense gun laws back---but repubs have had a majority control for many years which is why things are so fucked....Hillary knows she needs to take control of Congress for things to change. Senate is possible this year---but congress is still a bunch of white trash hillbillies.

The only gun laws "rolled back" hadn't had any effect on crime or violence of any kind, according to the government's own figures.

Why do liberals insist on laws that make people feel good but have no effect? Attacks like this have happened in Europe as well, so all the European gun laws haven't kept anyone safe.

This is religious terrorism come to our shores. It was inevitable. And as was noted in this thread already, everything the law enforcement people could do didn't matter one bit to the fifty dead. So who's responsible for the dead? Two: the gunman, and the people who required people at night clubs to be defenseless.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

So the two major groups responsible for these killings are:
1/ NRA (national rifle association) because they opposed tough background checks
2/ Saudi Arabia because they export terror ideas

The NRA has not opposed "tough background checks".

And the toughest background checks ever proposed wouldn't have stopped this guy: he passed the existing ones and would have passed any others because he was a licensed security guard!

The people responsible are the ones who required the people at a night club to be disarmed and defenseless.

 

[Kabluey]

The gunman didn't have any "weapons designed for warfare". What he had was a common hunting rifle, one recommended by experts as a good weapon for home defense. which shoots one round each time the trigger is pulled.

Why is it categorised as an assault rifle?

You believe in doubling down on liberalising gun access.

The USA has uniquely liberal gun laws amongst developed countries, and gun death and mass shootings statistics unequaled by any.
I'm afraid that while I agree with you on plenty of things, you have a blind spot when it comes to guns.

Name one event that was proven to have been prevented by a potential victim having an assault rifle.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

But how can he got guns so easily with the mental instability like that ??
Weak background checks before selling guns therefore NRA is responsible for the killings.

What "mental instability"? The FBI didn't find any. He had no history of any. In fact if he'd had any kind of mental instability he wouldn't have qualified for a Florida security guard license.

He went through tougher checks than many cops do, and passed them.

 

[opinterph]

Re: Florida Gay Club PULSE has been attacked with injuries, and possible hostage situation.

The point is that confiscating guns would not have prevented this.

Disallowing a purchase is not the same thing as confiscation.