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Mueller Submits his Report.

cityboy-stl said:
I accept that Mueller's report shows no evidence of Russian collusion. That's good. But the report also does not exonerate Trump on the obstruction of justice aspect so that investigation still continues. Congress and the American people deserve to the see the full report. Ken Starr's full report on President Clinton was made available to the people. Robert Mueller's report should as well. Don't you think?
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Actually Barr just confirmed that there is nothing connecting Trump to the obstruction of Justice claims either.

Look at it this way, If an investigation for Russian collusion found no collusion, but discovered that, say, he likes to sleep in women's underwear. Does Congress and America have the right to know that? Of course not. The investigation deals with the issues at hand and ONLY the issues at hand. But rest assured, the left will not let go. It's like seeing a pit bull in full action, and the Democrats are actually starting to scare more people than win them over.
 
Nearly a year before his letter Sunday telling lawmakers he did not believe President Donald Trump committed obstruction of justice, Attorney General William Barr authored a memo saying he thought the obstruction investigation was "fatally misconceived."

Barr, then a private citizen and former attorney general to President George H. W. Bush, issued the memo to senior Justice Department officials in June 2018.
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His conclusions were not surprising then.

It makes you wonder if Mueller was instructed to leave the issue of obstruction up to the AG.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/24/poli...W_r6g46nxywLDZw_BzOeApLlhGzi5REdiqufZp4z7JrIw
 
And before the Trumpistes and the trolls begin to claim there was no Russian interference in the election, remember that Mueller indicted a lot of Russians.

As part of the investigation, 13 Russian unnamed nationals have been charged with conspiracy to launder money and identity theft.

In addition, 12 Russian GRU Intelligence officers are charged with conspiracy to defraud the U.S. as well as identity theft.

One citizen (named Konstantin Kilimnik) was charged with obstruction of justice.

In addition, three companies have been charged. The charges focused on Russia’s Internet Research Agency, which was accused of being a troll factory. Concord Management and Consulting and its subsidiary Concord Catering were accused of financing the IRA.
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4723941/mueller-report-key-players-indicted-russia-probe/
 
So? Not one American was indicted. Not one. Americans should be proud.
 
From the Vox article you just linked:

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So far, no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election.
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cityboy-stl said:
Why are conservatives such hypocrites? You'd be tearing a hole in the space-time continuum if you didn't get the full report if it were about a Democrat.
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Do you me like how the liberals act now, not accepting their defeat?
 
No indictments pertaining to the 2016 Russian Collusion bullshit accusations. Better? 😁
 
Benghazi was an overblown incident, bad that it was, that the Republicans would not let go throughout the rest of Obama's term. And Hillary..who I don't like but could think of a number of Republicans as entitled and not so ethically centered who are a good deal worse. And Clinton? All those investigations(and I again wasn't a fan) but the best the Republicans could muster was a stained dress? And they knew they could never get impeachment from the Senate. So the Republicans better get off their high horse shit.
 
If a prosecutor investigated a "normal" person in this country -- and then decided NOT to prosecute -- I don't think that the investigation should be made public.

I'm trying to apply that logic to the Mueller investigation -- but something just doesn't seem quite right.

What am I missing? What is wrong with my logic?
 
^ Could it be that the person hired to make the call on prosecution was hired because he had written that a president should not be prosecuted for obstruction of justice?

Is that what maybe doesn't seem right here?
 
No, that's not it 😕. I think it has something to do with logic and common sense.
 
swerve said:
If a prosecutor investigated a "normal" person in this country -- and then decided NOT to prosecute -- I don't think that the investigation should be made public.

I'm trying to apply that logic to the Mueller investigation -- but something just doesn't seem quite right.

What am I missing? What is wrong with my logic?
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Because the entire public was put through 2 years of drama and pain and hell. I damn well want to see the report and how the conclusions were reached. This is not a "normal" person. It's the President of the United States, and we the people have a right to see it. I am not saying I won't accept those conclusions and I don't see hear Democrats saying that either. But Congress and the Public have a right to see it all.

Again I repeat to Mikey, stop being such hypocrite...You would be demanding the same if the report were about a Democrat.
 
mikey3000 said:
Do you me like how the liberals act now, not accepting their defeat?
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Do you me like how....what?

I said I accepted the no collusion conclusion. What's your problem? The full report should be made public...period. The House voted unanimously for it. The Senate didn't even vote because Miss Lindsey demanded another Bengahzi investigation (there have been 10 already) and another email investigation after multiple others; none of them found anything. Talk about not accepting their defeat.

Democrats are only asking for the full report and the underlying documentation, not for another and another and another and another and another investigation like Republicans are still doing.
 
Look, Trump sure acted as if something was up...he said a number of times he fired Comey because he wouldn't give him his full loyalty and wanted to keep investigating the Russian connection to our election. He never criticized Putin, he met Putin a couple of times with no one else present except an interpreter supposedly sworn to silence. Collusion between the Russians and the Trump team may indeed never have happened, or at least never got to the level of active cooperation on Trump side. Mueller has a strong reputation as a no nonsense public servant... as much as it would be easy to hope he did have the goods on Trump because his personal conduct seemed so off and weird, I'm going to give Mueller the benefit of the doubt. But I don't trust Barr one bit on his shutting down an obstruction case... he long believed the parameters of the Mueller investigation should be narrowest as possible. I want to know what Mueller believed..he did NOT out and out exonerate Trump on the matter. As others have said, no Republican investigation of alleged Democratic sins(Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Clinton e-mails) was enough for most of the Republicans in Congress...they tried a number of times to destroy the Democrats so now their outrage about the Mueller findings, threatening to go after leading Democrats...it's fucking disgraceful and I'm sick of the lot of them.

Trump said he surrounded himself with the "best people"..he said he was going to "drain the swamp"..the quality of the people in his Administration and his court appointments have often been abysmal. Now unless the Democrats find something on him from the other probes, he's going to run along with the Republicans in the Senate a scorched earth policy of retribution and we are not going to just idly stand by and let the trolls and deplorables think it's their America. It's not and if this is what America is meant to be, god damn America.

You can't reason with these people and there no purpose in trying.
 
mikey3000 said:
No indictments pertaining to the 2016 Russian Collusion bullshit accusations. Better? ��
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That is only as far as Trump Sr. is concerned. He's smart enough to cover his tracks and allow others to take the blame for him, and there were plenty of people willing and able to do that. That's why there were so many indictments and that's why some of his 'friends' (suckers?) are in prison for him. Just because no collusion between Trump and Russia in the election scandal doesn't mean he didn't orchestrate it, and for the same reason an orchestra cannot perform without a conductor, a crime 'family' cannot perform without a 'boss'. Don't forget how long it took to bring down Capone and Gotti. Gotti was the Teflon Don. Trump is the Teflon President. Gotti died in prison (actually, The United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners).

And just to remind you, New York is still working to bring down Trump and his family. And another reminder, Mueller did NOT exonerate Trump for obstruction of justice. That is still to be decided. (This means that his boasting and bragging was a lie.)

This is not over. Not in a long run.
 
Trump said no collusion 231 times before the Barr Cover-up, why should anyone believe him now?
 
gsdx said:
This is not over. Not in a long run.
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Yup, you are right. Most people who know business and who know Trump, know that there is nothing sweeter than revenge, and revenge he will get. People will sing like canaries. He is going to blow the top off of this conspiracy and everyone involved is going to run for the hills, or end up under one. Obama and his fake FISA warrants for Hilary's benefit is just the tip of the iceberg. So grab a drink and take a seat.
It's on.
 
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What does McConnell not want the public to see?
 
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