My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

[glasvegas]

There was another thread here when a JUBber was seething with his pain.

He told me his pain was caused by his being a minority. And when I quizzed him he said he spent big money to live in another country where he knew he would be living as a minority.

Hi Uncle Pat. So nice of you reference me in here. And I wasn't seething my pain, I was just reporting what I experienced.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Hi Uncle Pat. So nice of you reference me in here. And I wasn't seething my pain, I was just reporting what I experienced.

I think your fried shrimp just wasn't hot enough to add enough sizzle to the sushi and now you're blaming Australia.

[edit] Yeah it was addressed to Pat, but as a stakeholder I feel obliged to butt in.

 

[refujiunderground]

I think your fried shrimp just wasn't hot enough to add enough sizzle to the sushi and now you're blaming Australia.

 

[glasvegas]

I think your fried shrimp just wasn't hot enough to add enough sizzle to the sushi and now you're blaming Australia.

[edit] Yeah it was addressed to Pat, but as a stakeholder I feel obliged to butt in.

I am not Japanese but thank you for trying.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

I am not Japanese but thank you for trying.

The Isamu Nosushi phenomenon is not limited to the Nipponese.

 

[hylas]

i do have my own issues of internalized racism; i aknowledge it, i dont feel good about that part of myself, and i try very hard to change it (with moderate success.) i do not expect people to be attracted to all ethnicities equally. however, i do expect people to realize and aknowledge that these issues exists, to show some basic decency and consideration, to not dismiss and downplay it, to not be assholes about it. to listen and open their minds, instead of switching to defcon.

 

[MissAnne]

This reasearch makes me miss school so much.

Very interesting.

 

[xbuzzerx]

As we are all People of Color, I don't use that term nor find it meaningful. In any and every culture on the planet, there are majorities and minorities, some racial, most cultural, some deprived, some privileged, and everything in between.

People of Color is talking about the racial minorities in white-dominated western societies, particular in the Americas, and not about cultural or other- forms of group distinction.

It is just another term for racial minorities and, many people feel, a more inclusive/positive term.

Just pointing out that you said you don't find it meaningful and then compared it to a bunch of situations to which the term was never meant to imply, like racial or ethnic or cultural or socioeconomic hierarchies in other societies elsewhere. It's specific to the context I mentioned above and is meaningful in that context.

 

[xbuzzerx]

No, I'm intentionally using it loosely. Much about racism is actually a cultural clash more than anything about race exclusively.

So, POC is yet another term that gets used as a sociopolitical correction that tends to upstage the actual discussion by redefining normal everyday realities.

All people have color, and no one I've ever met in any first person encounter ever considered himself and referred to himself as a person of color. They have all termed themselves either Black, White, Native, Chinese. POC is a PC term reserved for rarified discourse.

In JUB's attempts to discuss race, it invariably returns to a pattern of throwing out all of another's member's posting, attitudes, and friendships, and attempting to force some esoteric concession on a narrow slice of the race discussion. I've posted on JUB in Hot Topics for over seven years, and seen precious little of anything that can be termed hostile to another race. We have thousands of members, and it is truly rare, despite the constant spin on here about it. It exists on here, but the constant witch hunt to find more of it than is here, or to expose some other member is just a gratuitous exercise that fosters paranoia.

It's much like the notion that racism cannot be from a minority against the majority population or ethnic group. Whereas that may be current or accurate in academic redefinition or narrowed use, the dictionary reveals that racism is racism, plain and simple, without the redefinition.

This is factually incorrect in the context we're talking about (the U.S.) where race has been hard defined and codified by law in much of U.S. history when it comes to de jure segregation, discrimination and a racist distribution of legal and social rights by race.

No, it wasn't just "a clash of cultures." Considering that neither Natives nor blacks in U.S. had much say in the matter in terms of being forced to interact with a white culture that classified them, openly and legally, as subhuman or with subordinate rights, saying it was just a clash of cultures is euphemizing history at best.

 

[bankside]

Actually, the context is "the gay community" not "the US."

 

[xbuzzerx]

Actually, the context is "the gay community" not "the US."

Not on the specific point we're discussing no.

 

[bankside]

Not on the specific point we're discussing no.

Ahh. Yes, now I follow...

 

[xbuzzerx]

It's much like the notion that racism cannot be from a minority against the majority population or ethnic group. Whereas that may be current or accurate in academic redefinition or narrowed use, the dictionary reveals that racism is racism, plain and simple, without the redefinition.

The problem with the definition in the dictionary (which is not the one used in academia) is that it equates "I don't like white people" with "Purple people are inferior, should not be allowed to testify in court, should not be able to purchase homes in white communities etc."

Your tone implies this is just some made-up distinction when the difference is incredibly stark between racial prejudice and racist beliefs.

POC is a PC term reserved for rarified discourse.

Really?



People have just 'invented' this term out of some kind of imposition of political correctness?

Presumably you know what the NAACP stands for?

 

[Apollo]

LMAO! Did I really just read that top quote? Ben, seriously, did you just imply blacks all carry Rastafarian hairdos and Indian guys all look like devout Sikhs or something, and they should stop if they want white dates?

I have a feeling Benvolio is a really old white guy still living in the 50's

 

[rareboy]

I Love Threads Like This.

It is so good to see everyone pull their pants down and show us what they got when it comes to perspectives on race and sexual preferences.

Predictably, it brings out the inner beauty of some and exposes the dark and ugly white supremacist soul of others.

Inevitably the racists on the site will withdraw before they cross a CoC line so that they can continue to play and someone will end up leaving JUB because they find the naked racism of avatars like Benvolio and a couple of others for instance, off-putting and disturbing.

 

[umjreon88]

I Love Threads Like This.

It is so good to see everyone pull their pants down and show us what they got when it comes to perspectives on race and sexual preferences.

Predictably, it brings out the inner beauty of some and exposes the dark and ugly white supremacist soul of others.

Inevitably the racists on the site will withdraw before they cross a CoC line so that they can continue to play and someone will end up leaving JUB because they find the naked racism of avatars like Benvolio and a couple of others for instance, off-putting and disturbing.

Totally agree! Some of these comments are so vile that I cannot imagine someone saying that to me in a discussion! However, I've had such a remark being thrown at me before. I was polite initially, then I went into full-blast mode. Needless to say, the person was left with nothing but shame and the need to reflect on his damned life...

 

[kayman23]

I Love Threads Like This.

It is so good to see everyone pull their pants down and show us what they got when it comes to perspectives on race and sexual preferences.

Predictably, it brings out the inner beauty of some and exposes the dark and ugly white supremacist soul of others.

Inevitably the racists on the site will withdraw before they cross a CoC line so that they can continue to play and someone will end up leaving JUB because they find the naked racism of avatars like Benvolio and a couple of others for instance, off-putting and disturbing.

Uh huh, yes it does, indeed.

 

[Benvolio]

Uh huh, yes it does, indeed.

Actually, mine was the only constructive suggestion when hylas asked white he could not make more white friends. I suggested the clean cut look. Who else offered something constructive?
I did point out that minority men tend to wear facial hair, but that is cultural, not racial.

 

[Apollo]

Actually, mine was the only constructive suggestion when hylas asked white he could not make more white friends. I suggested the clean cut look. Who else offered something constructive?
I did point out that minority men tend to wear facial hair, but that is cultural, not racial.

Except the majority of white guys aren't doing the clean cut look either. Minority men tend to have a cleaner look that the white boys out there today.

Still everything your saying is highly ignorant and racist.

 

[Rolyo85]

I love me some scruff personally.