My Sexuality.

[Piquechampion]

Well, I’m confused. You say you don’t look to guys for sexual pleasure but yet you are willing to have sexual relations with a guy if you felt you had feelings (and I am assuming sexual feelings as well) for that guy but you don’t like the idea of gay sex? You go on to say that you’d much rather prefer to have sex with females? Did I miss something here? I don’t understand why you would have sex with a guy while knowing you enjoy sex with females more and yet you don’t enjoy gay sex that much but you would be willing to have gay sex with a guy that you had feelings for (and I am assuming sexual feelings for as well) even though you’d much rather prefer to have sex with females and knowing you don’t like the idea of gay sex that much? Why would you do that? I don’t understand why anyone would do that!! I don’t understand why you would have sex with one partner while knowing you are more sexually attracted to another sex and then claim that you don’t like the type of sex that you would have with that one partner but then claim that you’d be willing to have sex with that one partner if you had feelings for that one partner? Do you see how confusing this is?

What´s so hard to understand. I love sex with girls. But it´s absolute heaven to make love to a guy. I can not just have sex with guys (wish I could), but it just doesn´t get up. I need all the romance and shit before I can have sex with a guy (not that I have been with that many, just two). But once I fall in love with a guy, sex with them it´s pure heavenly bliss.

 

[XLeatherX]

Soilwork-Comparing women to shit/scat? Come on! I'm gay and women don't arouse me at all but I wouldn't go far to compare women or someone who has sex/desires sex with women to shit/scat play.

your posts on this topic speak for themselves. At least you can admit you have a problem/neurosis on this issue. I wish you good luck in resolving it.

Blueto-You've got a whole lotta nothing to say in your reply to me.

My point is this: Everyone's different in their sexuality so why should we gay men put others down that are different in their sexual and romantic attractions and say "No, no, you're inheriently WRONG for being how you are with your romantic attractions and sexuality. You MUST be this way!"?

I didn't fall in love or want a relationship with every man I've had sex with or dated and I don't know anyone who has. I have gay friends who pick up tricks/1 night stands, go to orgies/bath houses, or have fuck buds. Would you tell them that they're "bad" for not being in love or dating their sex partners?

Original Poster-Don't fret about it, you are what you are and it's not like you can change it.

 

[Soilwork]

To be totally fair, I didn't compare women to shit, I compared bisexual men to scat fetishists.

MY point is that I wouldn't be able to date a bisexual man even IF I thought it was a good idea, which I don't.

 

[blueto21]

So, having a shot at a relationship with you is a privilege, is it? My, aren't we full of ourselves.

Of course it is. I know what I have to offer and it’s too valuable to be thrown away on bisexual men. I don’t believe in casting pearls before swine. My pearls are to valuable.

 

[blueto21]

What´s so hard to understand. I love sex with girls. But it´s absolute heaven to make love to a guy. I can not just have sex with guys (wish I could), but it just doesn´t get up. I need all the romance and shit before I can have sex with a guy (not that I have been with that many, just two). But once I fall in love with a guy, sex with them it´s pure heavenly bliss.

Well, that’s not what you said earlier in your initial post. Don’t misunderstand me; I admire the fact that you just can’t have sex with any guy. I think that’s an admirable trait to have. But that’s not what you said in your initial post. You said you don’t like the idea of gay sex; so, in mind that’s saying even if you DO meet a guy that you have feelings for you couldn’t be with him because you don’t like the idea of gay sex, and you claim to enjoy sex more with females. So, that is why I’m confused about your stance. It doesn’t make sense to me!

 

[blueto21]

Blueto-You've got a whole lotta nothing to say in your reply to me.

My point is this: Everyone's different in their sexuality so why should we gay men put others down that are different in their sexual and romantic attractions and say "No, no, you're inheriently WRONG for being how you are with your romantic attractions and sexuality. You MUST be this way!"?

I didn't fall in love or want a relationship with every man I've had sex with or dated and I don't know anyone who has. I have gay friends who pick up tricks/1 night stands, go to orgies/bath houses, or have fuck buds. Would you tell them that they're "bad" for not being in love or dating their sex partners?

Original Poster-Don't fret about it, you are what you are and it's not like you can change it.

Well, as I said to another poster earlier in this same thread just because you don’t like what was said doesn’t mean that what was said is “nothing” or invalid. I’m not telling bisexual men that they should be a certain way or that they “must be this way”. Besides, you said it yourself, you can’t change who you inherently are. You’re not suppose to. I’m just stating the obvious and calling the facts as they are about bisexual men and their relationship habits.

I am in no way implying or saying that bisexual men should be a certain way. I’m just calling the facts as I see them. As for your second comment, this is not about tricks or gay male sluts. This is not about gay men who are easy. What you and your friends do in the privacy of your bedrooms (or maybe in this case some dark broken down alley) is your business. I couldn’t care less. If you want to sleep around with John and Paul and Sam and Doug and Tom and Alex and Bill, I couldn’t care less.

What I am saying is, when a relationship, and I mean a REAL relationship, is the set goal for both parties involved bisexual men are likely to stray away from that commitment because of their fluid sexuality. You need to do some research on the concept of fluid sexuality and then come back and respond. It has nothing to do with being promiscuous and sleeping around with everybody to bust a nut. If that’s how you play then by all means do what you do. That is your life not minds. I don’t agree with it and it’s not for me, but that is not what this discussion is about.

 

[Soilwork]

I need my head examined for jumping back into this.

But I wanna say something further to what Blue just said.

I get accused of "hating" bisexuals a lot.

I don't.

Really.

(I think a few of the guys who post in the bi forum are losers, but that's got nothing to do with their sexual orientation and everything to do with them being losers. But I digress...)

I tell gay men that dating a bi man is a bad idea and has little chance of success.

I also tell gay men to stop chasing after straight men and I tell women to stop going after gay men.

It's called "Playing the odds."

 

[teh_nathan]

"I think a few of the guys who post in the bi forum are losers, but
that's got nothing to do with their sexual orientation and everything to
do with them being losers. But I digress...)"

Isn't that a personal attack and isn't that disallowed per forum rules?
Don't get me wrong, I have a few choice words to say about Soilwork myself, but I'm not stupid enough to go around saying those openly.

I'm smart enough to keep those to myself because I know I'll get warnings or infractions for doing so.
Will Soilwork get one of the two for insulting people even though it was non-specific? Probably not.

People have no right to make broad generalisations about people (and immature namecalling like "loser") when you only know them based on interactions on this forum. It lowers you to the level of a pre-schooler.

So let me get this straight:
Soilwork condemns bisexual guys based on his experience. ALL OF THEM. Not one, not two, every single one.
He gets called on the carpet for it.
He then says "no no, I don't hate them, really I don't!"
Then he goes on to attack some of the bi guys in this forum (probably myself included)

That's called contradicting yourself and resorting to childish insults.
Grow the hell up, Soilwork and act like an adult. (and I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the CofC which expressly forbids me from saying that)

I'm pretty sure half the forum hates me for attacking this troll but you know what? I really don't care.
I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade.

 

[Soilwork]

That too, I'm afraid.

Some of my bets buds are bi.

But I'd never date any of them, no matter how hot any of them were. It's just not worth it to me.

(why do you think a bisexual man is what you need in your life?)

 

[Soilwork]

Isn't that a personal attack and isn't that disallowed per forum rules?
Don't get me wrong, I think Soilwork is a troll who has nothing positive to contribute to this forum, but I don't go around saying that either (oh wait, I just did - I guess we're even then).

Well, I didn't name names. Nor will I. I think I'm kinda above that, to be honest.

Pity not all of us are.

 

[lyconthrope]

I´m not into scat!!!!!!
Besides that´s disrespectful, comparing women to shit...
WOW

sorry sweetie but I dont think thats what he did, and I would know, I am woman!

To be totally fair, I didn't compare women to shit, I compared bisexual men to scat fetishists.

I didn't say you were into scat, Einstein, I was trying to explian how I'm turned off by women sexually. How it's my neurosis that I'd not be able to get past that. (and I KNEW if was a bad comparrison, and even said so)

It's kinda over-board, but I think you get the idea.

Or...welll.. no, you obviously don't.
MY point is that I wouldn't be able to date a bisexual man even IF I thought it was a good idea, which I don't.

others may not have understood but the women did! (or at least I think I did, feel free to correct me if I am off base here)
you have your preferance and everyone else has theirs, I think I can see where your coming from on this and I agree with you, I dont think it should be considered a neurosis in any sense, its simply a personal feeling you have!

I cant speak as a gay man (obviously) but as a woman its bad enough worrying that your boyfriend will you leave you for another woman, so I would imagine that dating a Bi guy is worse because then you feel like you gotta worry about other men too

 

[Soilwork]

Thanks lycon... although that WAS probably a bad comparrison that will haunt me forever.

 

[lyconthrope]

Thanks lycon... although that WAS probably a bad comparrison that will haunt me forever.

hehe well take a wander through the threads, I have made a few stinkers since I got here, it aint always easy to choose the right words, but its more dificult to admit when you know they are wrong.......at least you did the hard part

 

[XLeatherX]

To be totally fair, I didn't compare women to shit, I compared bisexual men to scat fetishists.

MY point is that I wouldn't be able to date a bisexual man even IF I thought it was a good idea, which I don't.

Well then, you're just a dick, a bigot, and probably someone who I'd not want to keep company with in real life.

I think it's rather unfair of you to critizise bi men and compare them to scat fetishists. What if a straight guy compared your homosexuality to scat, beastiality, or pedophelia? Yeah I know that homophobes/biogts use these arguments against us faggots but do you see where I'm coming from?

Do your heterosexual male friends (if you have any hetero male friends that is, I mean you do live in a gay ghetto), know that you compare them to scat based on their sexual attractions towards women?

Gay men who care about "purity" when it comes to their relationship/dating partners' pasts have issues to say the least.

Who cares if a guy is bi, if he's gay and has been married, or slept with women before? Some of my best relationships and friendships have been with bi men, gay men who've been married before and have kids, or men who came out later in their early/mid 20s or 30s. Their past experiences with women weren't a problem and I never worried that my bisexual boyfriends would leave me for women or another guy, since there's are such things as fidelity, communication, and trust in a relationship.

Right now I'm single since I'm not looking for a relationship right now and I'll be in the process of moving soon.

I don't really know of that many gay men who haven't had sex with at least one woman and even I'm in that category.

Faggots who are misogynists have issues too. I may not be sexually attracted to women but I don't hate them, consider them sub human, think of them as infeior, and I certainly would NEVER compare a woman or someone who has sex with women or is sexually attracted to them such as a lesbian, heterosexual man, or a bisexual with scat.

I personally don't see anything wrong with scat but it's just not my thing (not that I've tried it or anything) but people are into it, like the bisexual artist Robert Mapplethorpe he was into scat, and I think that people should be allowed to do what they want with other consenting adults.

Blueto-don't put words in my mouth. I said my friends have casual sex like that, I never said I personally do. I personally don't have/enjoy anon. sex like that, but I don't hold anything against anyone that does.

I don't think that you really even have any pearls to offer. Heck even I wouldn't want to date you and I'd be eligable since I'm gay.

Some of the people here are really judgemental to say the least. Even the hetero women.

Also, what's a hetero woman doing here in a fourm about gay/bi MEN? I don't care that a het woman is here but I just want to know why. Do you have gay/bi kids/relatives? Are you a fag hag? Or one of those bi women who calls herself a girl fag AKA "A queer man trapped in a woman's body"?

 

[Soilwork]

... and resorting to childish insults.


I think Soilwork is a troll who has nothing positive to contribute to this forum...

And the "Are you even fucking listening to yourself" award goes to...

 

[lyconthrope]

Some of the people here are really judgemental to say the least. Even the hetero women.

Also, what's a hetero woman doing here in a fourm about gay/bi MEN? I don't care that a het woman is here but I just want to know why. Do you have gay/bi kids/relatives?

I am sorry if what I said seemed judgemental, didnt intend for it too, I was simply tryin to set soil's mind at rest.
Yes he chose a disastrous subject for comparison, I just wanted him to know that I did not find it offensive.

And yes I do have gay friends, lesbian friends and a Bisexual ex-boyfiend.
And I am here because regardless of what a persons gender or sexual orientation may be they are still a person, and I like people

I don't comment on things that I have no knowledge on as it would be stupid of me to attempt to offer a gay or bisexual man advance, but I can still offer compassion when/where needed.

I would never dare to even assume that I have, or will ever have, any understanding of the deeper issues faced by gay & bisexual men, but I do sometimes have an outsiders insight, I offer my opinion where I think it appropriate, and if I am wrong people are welcome to correct me

 

[Soilwork]

I think that people should be allowed to do what they want with other consenting adults.

where did I say anything different? You can go ahead and date women or men or fuck watermelon as far as I'm concerned. Just allow me to stay out of it. I don't think that makes me a "dick and a bigot" but hey... what do I know?

Also, what's a hetero woman doing here in a fourm about gay/bi MEN? I don't care that a het woman is here but I just want to know why. Do you have gay/bi kids/relatives?

Oh, and do me a favour, grab that "are you even fucking listening to yourself" award that Nathan has for yourself. you deserve it more.

 

[lyconthrope]

where did I say anything different? You can go ahead and date women or men or fuck watermelon as far as I'm concerned. Just allow me to stay out of it. I don't think that makes me a "dick and a bigot" but hey... what do I know?

how exactly would one acheive that? hehe

(sorry, just thought a lightening of the mood was needed)

(i dont think you are )

 

[lyconthrope]

Are you a fag hag? Or one of those bi women who calls herself a girl fag AKA "A queer man trapped in a woman's body"?

uummmm offensive much?
there is no need to resort to name calling here, we dont deserve to be attacked.
everyone is entitled to their own opinions and personal preferances

 

[Soilwork]

For the record, as much of a dick as I am (no, it's true, I know..) I'm all about letting everyone come here to JUB.

I just don't think that anyone should hold back to keep from stepping on toes.