Nifty.org - Pedophilia Central?

[asu1117]

I actually try not to take a side. I try to be objective and neutral. I dont like pedos but I don't go shouting "Crucify him!"

Maybe coz I have experienced the BITTERNESS of getting oppressed by the homophpbes, I try not to oppress others, that includes pedos. They're humans too. And in afct, I know ONE PEDO MAN 40-50yo from Finland. And he once told me how painful for him not bein able to stop getting attracted to underage kids. I don't endorse him but I can't condemn him either after I heard his painful story...

I can, he's fucking sick. And I really wish you would stop lumping homosexuals in with pedophiles, it IS NOT THE SAME! Therefore our dealing with homophobes is not the same as what those sick fucks go through, as they break the law, ruin lives and destroy innocence.

You need to quit this bullshit line of thinking that because we are LBGT and have faced adversity means we should accept every single thing out there. Sorry bud, that's not how it works.

I only defend Nifty for its non kiddy stories. I try to keep a blind eye about Nifty's kiddie stories. You have to understand, I'm a gay erotica writer too and Nifty is kind of like a HOME for me, considering all my BDSM stories are rejected by JUB and other puritan gay websites. If I join your crusade to 'close' Nifty, it's like me burning down my own house. Ok, I'm not objective about this but at least I'm not hypocrite.

Quit with this puritan crap already, just because someone isn't into extreme fetishes doesn't mean they are a puritan.

In my country, 18 is minimum legal age too. But then again, have you noticed how ADULT-LOOKING 'underage kids' look like now? If a man gets hard over a muscular '16yo boy who has already had body hair, muscle, and tough look... is he still a pedophile????

Yes.

I know it because occasionally UNDERAGE 'boys' (highschool 16-17) wrote to me to tell me how much they love my adult-vs-adult gay sex stories. A few also said they wrote their own sex fantasies. They were all in puberty already but then again they're below 18, so still underage right? 'Underage kids' are more grown up than we used to be. That's the fact. Blame it on fast food and internet/cable tv.

Speak for yourself, I've only been of legal age for a few years now and I wasn't out there seeking pedophiles or any other sick shit.


And wtf does fast food have to do with maturity?

And in case you wonder if I have any written sexual emails/chat with them, my answer is NO! Hell, I'm getting turned on by men in their 30-40s. Esp the macho rugged type. Not highschool 'kids'.

Good to know you're not a pedophile yourself, you're just one of their advocates.

 

[himeros]

Well. You have just lost all credibility with me with this statement. If you seriously believe this, then further discussion is a complete waste of time, no matter how many times you tell us you don't condone it.

No, no, no. You misunderstood I wrote that statement to counter Kulindahr who believes the pedophilia is ONLY happens when an adult man has sex with boy before his puberty! In his exact words, he type: Pedophilia is clearly defined -- sex by adults with pre-pubescents. That statement sounds as if pedophile is ok if its done with someone like a 13yo 'boy who have enters puberty.

Again, I repeat I do NOT condone kiddie sex! So I counter that his opinion is FLAWED. Because if he uses puberty as pedophilia limit (and NOT age limit) there will be many misunderstanding, because puberty happens at varied ages. Not to mention, some boys look older and some look younger than their real age. In a way, I support AGE LIMIT to determine pedophilia rather than PUBERTY signs (as Kulindahr stated).

Please read the ENTIRE argument before you go accusing me as pedo supporter ok???

 

[yummylongsword]

I find it interesting that so many people are so utterly disgusted by pedophiles and believe that even the mere thought of sex with children should be banned. The only reason sex with children IS banned is because children cannot consent. So as long as there aren't children involved with the process, then I see no issue with it. In fact, having a vent to release one's fantasies might help alleviate the desire to experience them in real life.

Saying that pedophilia is gross and therefore this site should be banned is so completely hypocritical it makes me want to tear my eyes out. Hardcore Christians could use the EXACT SAME argument to close down this site; "gay sex is gross and they shouldn't be allowed to talk about it!"

On a more actually comparable note, stories regarding rape are totally acceptable around here. Obviously it's not okay to rape someone in reality, but there's plenty of rape stories here on JUB and no one bats an eye.

Also, on a similar note, "under 18" and "child" are not the same thing. In most countries throughout the world, the age of consent is 16. So a story about having sex with a 17 year old man is very different than a story about having sex with a 7 year old child.

 

[himeros]

I can, he's fucking sick.

Then Fred Phelps can shout at you "Crucify that fag! He's fucking sick! Sinful! Immoral! Against God's words!" Gosh! you all dont understand what I mean.

And wtf does fast food have to do with maturity?

Most fastfood uses chickens. have you noticed how many growth HORMONES chickens have? Have you noticed how much different a 16yo American boy with a 16yo Asian boy? American looks like 18 already but he;s still underage while Asian boy looks really underage.

 

[asu1117]

I find it interesting that so many people are so utterly disgusted by pedophiles and believe that even the mere thought of sex with children should be banned. The only reason sex with children IS banned is because children cannot consent. So as long as there aren't children involved with the process, then I see no issue with it. In fact, having a vent to release one's fantasies might help alleviate the desire to experience them in real life.

Saying that pedophilia is gross and therefore this site should be banned is so completely hypocritical it makes me want to tear my eyes out. Hardcore Christians could use the EXACT SAME argument to close down this site; "gay sex is gross and they shouldn't be allowed to talk about it!"

On a more actually comparable note, stories regarding rape are totally acceptable around here. Obviously it's not okay to rape someone in reality, but there's plenty of rape stories here on JUB and no one bats an eye.

Also, on a similar note, "under 18" and "child" are not the same thing. In most countries throughout the world, the age of consent is 16. So a story about having sex with a 17 year old man is very different than a story about having sex with a 7 year old child.

There is one massive flaw in your logic here: Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, pedophilia is a sick perversion that hurts innocents. They are not comparable.

 

[yummylongsword]

There is one massive flaw in your logic here: Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, pedophilia is a sick perversion that hurts innocents. They are not comparable.

No. You can't just "decide" that pedophilia is a sick perversion just because you don't like it. Don't be an idiot. Pedophilia doesn't hurt anyone; child molestation hurts people. In the same way that having rape fantasies doesn't hurt anyone, but rape does.

 

[asu1117]

Then Fred Phelps can shout at you "Crucify that fag! He's fucking sick! Sinful! Immoral! Against God's words!" Gosh! you all dont understand what I mean.




Most fastfood uses chickens. have you noticed how many growth HORMONES chickens have? Have you noticed how much different a 16yo American boy with a 16yo Asian boy? American looks like 18 already but he;s still underage while Asian boy looks really underage.

Again, you people are trying to lump homosexuality and pedophilia together! If you really cannot discern the very large difference between them there is something wrong with you. Just because homosexuals face homophobia does not mean you can put them in the same boat as pedophilia. If you want to use that logic you can go ahead and put all non-whites, women, jews, and any other group that has faced discrimination into it. Wrong:

There is one massive flaw in your logic here: Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, pedophilia is a sick perversion that hurts innocents. They are not comparable.

 

[asu1117]

No. You can't just "decide" that pedophilia is a sick perversion just because you don't like it. Don't be an idiot. Pedophilia doesn't hurt anyone; child molestation hurts people. In the same way that having rape fantasies doesn't hurt anyone, but rape does.

And who molests children? Pedophiles. Pedophilia leads to molestation. If being against child molestation and rape makes me an idiot, so be it.

 

[yummylongsword]

And who molests children? Pedophiles. If being against child molestation and rape makes me an idiot, so be it.

Being against rape and child molestation is fine. But persecuting people for their thoughts is awful. I'm pretty sure that if we tried you for murder for every time you've thought about killing someone, you'd get the death sentence. Thoughts are different than actions.

You can't ban people because they might at some point in the future maybe commit a crime. If you think they're gross, then fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But until they actually do something that hurts someone or provide reasonable threats that they fully intend to commit a crime, you have no right to prosecute them.

 

[himeros]

No. You can't just "decide" that pedophilia is a sick perversion just because you don't like it. Don't be an idiot. Pedophilia doesn't hurt anyone; child molestation hurts people. In the same way that having rape fantasies doesn't hurt anyone, but rape does.

You're wasting your time. It's like begging Fred Phelps to endorse homosexuality in his bible....

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Pedo has 2 kinds: kiddie pedo and puberty pedo. For kiddie pedo, of course there's no excuse! But for puberty pedo, I'm surprised many gays here forget what its like being 13-15 ??!!! How old are you guys when you first learn to jack off????? Don't tell me 18 or 19 coz I wont believe it.

 

[asu1117]

Being against rape and child molestation is fine. But persecuting people for their thoughts is awful. I'm pretty sure that if we tried for murder you for every time you've thought about killing someone, you'd get the death sentence. Thoughts are different than actions.

You can't ban people because they might at some point in the future maybe commit a crime. If you think they're gross, then fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But until they actually do something that hurts someone, you have no right to prosecute them.

Cut the hippy bullshit, pedophilia leads to child molestation an overwhelming majority of the time. And I damn well can persecute someone that fantasizes about raping children and destroying their lives. Because that is sick. You say I can't decide this, but anyone with any sense of decency can discern it.

 

[asu1117]

You're wasting your time. It's like begging Fred Phelps to endorse homosexuality in his bible....

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Pedo has 2 kinds: kiddie pedo and puberty pedo. For kiddie pedo, of course there's no excuse! But for puberty pedo, I'm surprised many gays here forget what its like being 13-15 ??!!! How old are you guys when you first learn to jack off?????

You're damn right I can remember what it was like to be 13-15, it wasn't all that long ago. And you can bet your ass that I didn't fantasize about some sexual predator rape and molesting me. People in this thread seem to forget that rape and molestation are not just about sex, it's about power and control. When an adult has sex with a child they exert their power over the child's body. This does massive emotional and psychological damage, on top of whatever physical harm they may have caused. You people are sick.

 

[yummylongsword]

Cut the hippy bullshit, pedophilia leads to child molestation an overwhelming majority of the time. And I damn well can persecute someone that fantasizes about raping children and destroying their lives. Because that is sick. You say I can't decide this, but anyone with any sense of decency can discern it.

Really. So if you've ever written a murder mystery, we can try you for murder because you obviously intend to murder someone. If you've ever written a poem about how the world ends, you're obviously plotting to make a nuke and destroy the Earth. OBVIOUSLY.

I'm not saying I love pedophiles, I personally believe they have some mental issue that needs to be worked out. But that's not for me to decide. If you expect to keep your rights under the law, then you have to grant those same rights to them. If not, expect people to show up at your house for that diary entry you wrote when you were 15 about how you hated your parents and wished they would go away forever, or that time when you imagined beating the crap out of your douchey boss. Because violent thoughts will obviously lead to violence "an overwhelming majority of the time."

 

[himeros]

Ok look, I'm RESIGNING from this stupid pedophile thread. This is silly coz I'm NOT even a pedophile! I don't even write characters aged 16-17. This is NOT even my war!

We have a much bigger 'war', a war to get EQUALITY. But if you guys are much happier crucifying pedos instead of fighting for ur gay happiness against our real enemies then be my guest. Knock yourself out!

But Fred Phelps or Michele Bachmann will NOT thank you for crucifying pedos. Eradicating pedos doesn't make homophobes welcome gays with open arms. So pick your war, guys.

Goodbye. I'm heading to other threads instead. This thread leaves me with an incredible bitter taste!

 

[asu1117]

Really. So if you've ever written a murder mystery, we can try you for murder because you obviously intend to murder someone. If you've ever written a poem about how the world ends, you're obviously plotting to make a nuke and destroy the Earth. OBVIOUSLY.

I'm not saying I love pedophiles, I personally believe they have some mental issue that needs to be worked out. But that's not for me to decide. If you expect to keep your rights under the law, then you have to grant those same rights to them. If not, expect people to show up at your house for that diary entry you wrote when you were 15 about how you hated your parents and wished they would go away forever, or that time when you imagined beating the crap out of your douchey boss. Because violent thoughts will obviously lead to violence "an overwhelming majority of the time."

Are you really that ignorant? To think that pedophiles don't act on their actions most of the time. Imagining beating someone up or writing an angsty poem is not the equivalent of fantasizing about destroying children.


And for the record, there is no current treatment for pedophilia that works. But why don't you go join NAMBLA, I'm sure they would love your support of their sickness.

 

[gsdx]

If I join your crusade to 'close' Nifty, it's like me burning down my own house. Ok, I'm not objective about this but at least I'm not hypocrite.

I don't know what you've been reading, but where in hell did you get the notion that I'm on a crusade to shut down Nifty? My only contention is that the stories involving prepubescent children being 'raped' by grown men is legalised child pornography, only because it is in text and not in photos. It isn't real. It is 'free speech'. It isn't harmful to children. (At least according to you.)

It's not a new phenomenon there. I just looked. The 'Incest' stories go back over a decade. So do the 'Adult/Youth' stories. If Nifty was going to be shut down for those types of stories, it would have happened many, many years ago. Why are the stories still there and why are there no objections to more being submitted each week? Because it isn't real. It is 'free speech'. It isn't harmful to children. (At least according to you.)

There is little I can do except choose not to read the stories involving children. I refer for the third time to the 'back button'.

Oh, and I've been thinking about what you said earlier, about children writing some of the stories, about them putting their fantasies into print. Do you seriously believe that 8-year-old children wrote those stories? Seriously?

 

[soregretful]

Point being is...
Anyone that writes about having sex with an 8 year old is nothing but a f*cking pervert. I could care less about free speech. It is wrong and it is disgusting. I don't care how romanticized it is or if it is legal (which I doubt). They're not talking about 16, 17, 18 year olds. They are talking about kids under 12.

That kind of writing instigates pedophiles and let's them think that it's ok. It also reaffirms them that they are not alone and that there are many others that feel the same way or that it's normal.

To me, writing about it is the same as getting off to a pic of a kid or molesting them.
Disgusting!

Well said! That being said though, how do you deal if you happened to read one of those stories? I feel like crap all the time about it and this could hav ebeen years ago!

 

[gsdx]

Well said! That being said though, how do you deal if you happened to read one of those stories?

I have read a portion of many of those stories. Unfortunately, you don't know you're reading them until an age is mentioned. When I read the age, I simply stop reading and close the tab. I've never continued reading to the end.

Those stories creep me out. They don't make me feel dirty or anything else like that, but they disturb me that there are guys out there in cyberland absorbing those stories and feeding their fantasies.

You can't unread a story. You can't even pretend that you didn't even read it. You deal with it, but you don't deal with it by becoming suicidal.

From your posts, I can speculate, and, if my speculations are true, it's beyond the scope of this forum to offer help and advice other than trying to convince you to get professional help.

 

[soregretful]

Are you mentally, physically or developmentally disabled?

Is there anything in the world that is currently stopping you from seeking professional help?

You have been given several suggestions on what to do about the feelings you have. Seek help, do it now, stop coming to JUB to look for a magical answer.

You knowingly and willingly continued to read a story about pedophilia and now you are looking for a way to justify "accidentally" partaking in the reading of such material.

There is no justification. If you truly feel guilty and suicidal over this activity please heed the advice of the JUBbers who politely suggested you seek professional help.

Hounding the people here who agree that pedophilia is disgusting is not going to fix your issues. GO. Get. Help. Now.

I am not trying to hound. It is like what was said...u don't know how old till u hit an age an believe me I did dtop reading when I saw an age. I just couldn't believe that this was even there! I AM seeking help...not trying to get in anyones way. It seems others have asked this same question. I just thought I would see what had to be said about it. Believe me if there was a magical ansdwer I would have paid for it already.

 

[mygaybuffet]

And for the record, there is no current treatment for pedophilia that works. But why don't you go join NAMBLA, I'm sure they would love your support of their sickness.

Actually there is! Unfortunately society doesn't have the balls to implement it.

As I stated earlier either all convicted pedophiles are neutered or better yet just execute them all. Pedophilia is an incurable disorder that can't be contained or controlled like other disorders.

Are you willing to go that far to curb if not altogether eradicate it? Pedo lit is a distraction and not the problem. Pedophiles are the ones we need to be focusing on.

Also this is a discussion, if not a heated one. Are all the insults really necessary?