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Nifty.org - Pedophilia Central?

No, you're missing the point.

Look, you and I share the SAME view about pedo although slightly different regarding 'violent/rape' j/o materials. I know my arguments sound like I'm the ultimate defender of gay pedos and rapists, but what I really want to say is we gays have been oppressed simply because homophobes think we're sinful, morally corrupt, etc. We gays think those homophobes as arrogant, discriminatory, whatever. But w egays are doing exactly the same to our own kind. There's a DIVISION among us. Clans, groups, whatever. I've been here for A DAY but I've already felt the vibe that there are two major groups here: puritan gays and the 'morally corrupt' gays.

Like mygaybuffet says: Who are you or am I to decide what stays and what goes?!

I do NOT say we should condone gay pedos and gay sadists. But what I'm saying, is stop acting so puritan. We're all turning like those homophobes already. The puritan gays have the SAME SPIRIT as the homophobes, the sprit to eradicate anything 'morally corrupt'.

What I'm saying is BE OBJECTIVE and stop being so HARSH among our kind. [-X
 
Look, you and I share the SAME view about pedo although slightly different regarding 'violent/rape' j/o materials. I know my arguments sound like I'm the ultimate defender of gay pedos and rapists, but what I really want to say is we gays have been oppressed simply because homophobes think we're sinful, morally corrupt, etc. We gays think those homophobes as arrogant, discriminatory, whatever. But w egays are doing exactly the same to our own kind. There's a DIVISION among us. Clans, groups, whatever. I've been here for A DAY but I've already felt the vibe that there are two major groups here: puritan gays and the 'morally corrupt' gays.

Like mygaybuffet says: Who are you or am I to decide what stays and what goes?!

I do NOT say we should condone gay pedos and gay sadists. But what I'm saying, is stop acting so puritan. We're all turning like those homophobes already. We have the SAME SPIRIT, the sprit to eradicate anything 'morally corrupt'.

What I'm saying is BE OBJECTIVE and stop being so HARSH among our kind. [-X


I don't know about you, but I don't consider pedophiles part of "my kind". And being against the promotion of pedophilia is not puritanical.
 
I don't know about you, but I don't consider pedophiles part of "my kind". And being against the promotion of pedophilia is not puritanical.
You guys miss my point. I'm NOT aligning myself with gay pedos!

Funny... most homophobes think that ALL gays rape young boys. Have you noticed gay people can't be teachers? Parents will protest if they discover their kids' teacher is either a GAY man or a LESBIAN. Why? They are afraid their kids will turn gay or get RAPED by GAYS. What they're doing is DISCRIMINATION and HOMOPHOBIC. But we're doing the SAME to others.

What I'm saying, STOP JUDGING if you do NOT WANT 2B JUDGED... unless you think of yourself as a saint. Heck, even a saint made stupid comments.
 
Your reasoning is shallow.

In the examples you give, the people are inciting themselves, because they are looking at other people exercising their self-ownership and attempting to deny it in preference for their own tyranny.

If you "err on the side of freedom", then you should have no problem with getting rid of all restrictions on ownership of weapons, explosives, poisons, samples of devastating diseases, or requiring purity of drugs, truth in advertising, safe slaughtering procedures, labeling of fruits and vegetables for pesticides, or throwing out speed limits, drivers' licenses, vehicle safety standards, housing codes, or -- most pertinent here because it's a direct parallel to what you're defending -- safety standards for toys. Let the manufacturers use lead paint! After all, we don't care if children are harmed!

What you're ignoring is that freedom ends where my neighbor's nose begins -- in other words, my liberty ends where harm to another is involved. And these stories do harm -- there is no avoiding that. They feed to desires of pedophiles. They help them convince themselves that abusing kids is okay. They may even tip some over the edge into being active pedophiles.

That's what you're supporting.
Shallow how? The examples I listed are legitimate and valid. They are not inciting themselves. They are being incited by what they see.

Yes I believe in regulations but a regulation is not an all out ban. Rather a regulation narrows the interpretation of an implementation of an idea or tangible policy. Regulations I can support. Arbitrary restrictions I don't support. So all of your hypothetical examples easily fall under the oversight of regulatory control.

I would have to disagree with you that just by reading a pedophile is more likely to offend. The book is nothing more than a collection of words. The problem here is the pedophile, not the pedophilic literature. Let's go after the pedophiles, not the literature. In no way am I defending the merits of such literature but I will defend its existence. As will I defend the existence of all literature:


"We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still." ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

"The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion." ~Henry Steele Commager

"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~Tommy Smothers

"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." ~Potter Stewart

"The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

"Books won't stay banned. They won't burn. Ideas won't go to jail. In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only weapon against bad ideas is better ideas." ~Alfred Whitney Griswold, New York Times, 24 February 1959

"Nature knows no indecencies; man invents them." ~Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

"Censorship feeds the dirty mind more than the four-letter word itself." ~Dick Cavett

"The test of democracy is freedom of criticism." ~David Ben-Gurion

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." ~Noam Chomsky

"Take away the right to say "fuck" and you take away the right to say "fuck the government." ~Lenny Bruce

"The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged. The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship. And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted." ~Jonathon Green, "Did You Say 'Offensive?'


"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ~Evelyn Beatrice Hall, The Friends of Voltaire, 1906, a description of Voltaire's attitude, commonly misattributed to Voltaire, the closest of his documented sentiments being "I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write." in a 1770 letter.
 
Look, you and I share the SAME view about pedo although slightly different regarding 'violent/rape' j/o materials. I know my arguments sound like I'm the ultimate defender of gay pedos and rapists, but what I really want to say is we gays have been oppressed simply because homophobes think we're sinful, morally corrupt, etc. We gays think those homophobes as arrogant, discriminatory, whatever. But w egays are doing exactly the same to our own kind. There's a DIVISION among us. Clans, groups, whatever. I've been here for A DAY but I've already felt the vibe that there are two major groups here: puritan gays and the 'morally corrupt' gays.

Like mygaybuffet says: Who are you or am I to decide what stays and what goes?!

I do NOT say we should condone gay pedos and gay sadists. But what I'm saying, is stop acting so puritan. We're all turning like those homophobes already. The puritan gays have the SAME SPIRIT as the homophobes, the sprit to eradicate anything 'morally corrupt'.

What I'm saying is BE OBJECTIVE and stop being so HARSH among our kind. [-X

I am being objective. The ones with the same spirit are the pedophiles and the homophobes, who want to own other people.

And I don't really care what the homophobes think on this, because this is not a homosexual issue -- it is an abuse, a harm issue. You're doing the same thing they do, lumping gays with pedophiles. But those don't go together; homophobes and pedophiles go together, because they think abusing others is legitimate if they like doing it.

This isn't about "sin" -- it's about self-ownership and respecting it. Pedophiles think kids are property to be used for their own pleasure, not human beings. To them a kid is no different than a sheep or a box of burger or a FleshLight, just something to be used to get off if they feel like it. Both they and the homophobes think it's okay to destroy other human beings (the first step is to see them as objects) for their own pleasure (don't let the homophobes kid you on that).

The only thing "morally corrupt" is whatever violates self-ownership. By defending kiddie porn at all, you're violating the self-ownership of kids -- and that's the issue.
 
You guys miss my point. I'm NOT aligning myself with gay pedos!

Funny... most homophobes think that ALL gays rape young boys. Have you noticed gay people can't be teachers? Parents will protest if they discover their kids' teacher is either a GAY man or a LESBIAN. Why? They are afraid their kids will turn gay or get RAPED by GAYS. What they're doing is DISCRIMINATION and HOMOPHOBIC. But we're doing the SAME to others.

What I'm saying, STOP JUDGING if you do NOT WANT 2B JUDGED... unless you think of yourself as a saint. Heck, even a saint made stupid comments.

Okay, I'll start a campaign to get rid of all the laws against harming other people, directly or indirectly. We can drop all the child safety laws, because it's okay to abuse children.

Dude, if you defend kiddie porn, you're giving your approval to abuse of children. Let's go ahead and go all the way, and make them the property of their parents again.

Are you going to defend arsonist next?
 
Shallow how? The examples I listed are legitimate and valid. They are not inciting themselves. They are being incited by what they see.

Yes I believe in regulations but a regulation is not an all out ban. Rather a regulation narrows the interpretation of an implementation of an idea or tangible policy. Regulations I can support. Arbitrary restrictions I don't support. So all of your hypothetical examples easily fall under the oversight of regulatory control.

I would have to disagree with you that just by reading a pedophile is more likely to offend. The book is nothing more than a collection of words. The problem here is the pedophile, not the pedophilic literature. Let's go after the pedophiles, not the literature. In no way am I defending the merits of such literature but I will defend its existence. As will I defend the existence of all literature:

You really don't get it.

Those who like pedophilic literature are pedophiles. Those who write pedophilic literature are pedophiles. They do it to encourage themselves and others to do the real thing. Going after the pedophiles means going after the literature.

I will not defend the existence of anything that itself constitutes abuse and glorifies harm to others. Your examples fail because they were not designed to encourage harm to others, but kiddie porn is, because it proclaims that the sexual abuse and exploitation of children is morally right.

Do you really think the people you quoted would approve of child abuse? As a utilitarian, John Stuart Mill Mill would have seen the societal benefit of protecting children by forbidding this kind of literature. His writings about liberty and freedom presume that the discussion is about adults, so they are not applicable here.


Just as there is a difference between offending and being offended, there is a difference between inciting and being inciting. Kiddie porn incites, because it says child abuse is a good thing, that children are not people, that they are objects. It is based on the same notions as Neo-Nazi literature, that abuse and destruction of the Other is legitimate.

And the problem is that the literature itself does harm. It is no different than slander and lbel, except in that it is far, far worse.
 
This is one of the biggest problems with virtually unlimited free speech. People can say anything the want with little or no fear of responsibility or repercussions. They do not have to concern themselves with the consequences of their words.

In this discussion, the authors don't have to worry about the children who will be abused because of their stories - and there will be abused children. The writers are legally fulfilling their own fantasies while giving the paedophiles ample whack-off material. But that stuff goes only so far before the hand simply doesn't cut it anymore and they go on the hunt.

But it's only make-believe, and that makes the difference.

People are more concerned with censorship than they are with the victims of the words.
 
Dude, if you defend kiddie porn, you're giving your approval to abuse of children. Let's go ahead and go all the way, and make them the property of their parents again. Are you going to defend arsonist next?

Funny, I think I have typed many times above that:
I do NOT condone pedo porn
Talking to u is as hard as talking to a homophobe to say being gay is ok. You simply will never get my idea.

Are you a cop? Are you a president? Are you a political party? Are you saint? #-o

Look, you're way OFF TOPIC! Back to the thread, puritan gays gather here to voice their support for anti Nifty because the site hosts 'underage stories' (most of them feature 16yo - though many are less than 16). Puritan gays here then crucify Nifty for hositng such offensive materials.

I'm just saying you can NOT JUDGE others (Nifty, pedos, pedo stories). Why?:
1. The limit of pedo varies. 16-17 is underage? 15yo girl wants to MARRY already!
2. Not all pedo stories are written by adult. Many UNDERAGE boys write their sex fantasy!
3. You can't crucify Nifty for FEW underage stories.

Yes, you can dislike pedos, but you don't have to launch a gay crusade. That's what I'm trying to say in several posts already here. The way you talk is like Fred Phelps gathering his troops to condemn gays. To them, we gays are ABOMINATION and RELIGIOUS CRIMINAL, just like how you think pedo is a abomination and criminal.

What language do I have to use to make you understand? Martian? Plutonian? #-o Maybe Elenian? (hey Elenin comet will hit us next month!)
 
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Funny, I think I have typed many times above that:
I do NOT condone pedo porn
Talking to u is as hard as talking to a homophobe to say being gay is ok. You simply will never get my idea.

Are you a cop? Are you a president? Are you a political party? Are you saint? #-o

Look, you're way OFF TOPIC! Back to the thread, puritan gays gather here to voice their support for anti Nifty because the site hosts 'underage stories' (most of them feature 16yo - though many are less than 16). Puritan gays here then crucify Nifty for hositng such offensive materials.

I'm just saying you can NOT JUDGE others. Yes, you can dislike, but you don't have to launch a gay crusade. That's what I'm trying to say in several posts already here.

What language do I have to use to make you understand? Martian? Plutonian? #-o

Stop lying to yourself. If you say it's okay to write and publish kiddie porn, you're approving of pedophilia. You know it is leading to abuse, encouraging abuse, praising abuse, providing justification for pedophiles to sexually abuse little boys and girls. All of that is giving approval to the whole thing.

You can print your self-deceptions all you want -- they're still falsehoods. You're being like a homeowner who says he hates the mice in his house, but he doesn't put out traps or poison: he's endorsing the mice and consequently all the damage they do.

And by saying it's okay to engage in pedophilia -- and both the writing and reading of kiddie porn is pedophilia -- you're declaring that children are objects, and it's okay to victimize them and scar them for life.

You keep calling me a "puritan", but you know that's a falsehood, too -- or you aren't reading. No puritan would legalize prostitution, or drugs. You refuse to face that this is about HARM to children, not a matter between consenting adults -- except insofar as pedophiles consent among themselves that treating kids as sex toys is not merely acceptable but wonderful.

If you don't condone pedophilia, then you should be arguing that it should end -- including in its "literary" form.
 
People are more concerned with censorship than they are with the victims of the words.

Precisely.

They cannot get it through their heads that they're defending harm to children.


If it were up to me, the authors of kiddie porn stories would be rounded up, sterilized, and isolated where they can never communicate in any way with children -- period. Any that have actually committed sexual assault on children should just be hung "by the neck until dead", as the old line goes


Sex with someone who is at least into puberty is one thing; they have the equipment and the capacity. But sex with pre-pubescents is like eating the dirt the crops grow from instead of the crops -- irrational, and warped. Of course the difference is that the dirt doesn't care, while the children not only care, but in many cases will go on to become abusers themselves because their minds have been warped.


And who am I to say this? Only someone who is interested in people, not theory, someone who knows what sexual abuse does to a person, someone willing to face the fact that pedo literature is itself sexual abuse of children.
 
Stop lying to yourself.

Funny, you seem to PRETEND TO BE BLIND and evade my points. Please tell me what your opinon about:


1. The limit of pedo varies. 16-17 is underage? 15yo girl wants to MARRY already! They look physically ADULT!!!

2. Not all pedo stories are written by adult. Many UNDERAGE boys write their sex fantasy! :grrr:

3. You can't crucify Nifty for FEW underage stories (plus 'violent/rape' stories) because there are plenty of great gay stories too.




Don't run from the subject. Tell me your opinons about those three points I make before you accuse me of endorsing kiddie porn!:grrr:](*,):mad: I may have to shop for Elenian dictionary when I reply your message.
 
Funny, you seem to PRETEND TO BE BLIND and evade my points. Please tell me what your opinon about:


1. The limit of pedo varies. 16-17 is underage? 15yo girl wants to MARRY already! They look physically ADULT!!!

2. Not all pedo stories are written by adult. Many UNDERAGE boys write their sex fantasy! :grrr:

3. You can't crucify Nifty for FEW underage stories (plus 'violent/rape' stories) because there are plenty of great gay stories too.




Don't run from the subject. Tell me your opinons about those three points I make before you accuse me of endorsing kiddie porn!:grrr:](*,):mad: I may have to shop for Elenian dictionary when I reply your message.

Pedophilia is clearly defined -- sex by adults with pre-pubescents.

If pre-pubescent boys are writing about sex, their parents are deviants.

Nifty should grow up and police itself.


Those points can be deduced from what I've written, and the definition of pedophilia has been posted.


I suppose I shouldn't condemn an arsonist who burns a few buildings because mostly he takes good care of all the buildings he uses.
 
Pedophilia is clearly defined -- sex by adults with pre-pubescents.
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But on the internet, the definition is blurred because NO ACTUAL SEX takes place!!! It's just fictional stories!

You're wrong. On the internet, most story websites takes STRICT precautions. The youngest character allowed is only EIGHTEEN. Less than that (16,17) are considered UNDERAGE. Men On The Net for example censor my gay story when I was still 20yo coz I wrote about 16yo guy which had puberty already.

Legally, pre-puberscent is hard to define! A boy who looks young may have had pubes already. Hence everywhere, people use age as legal limit.



If pre-pubescent boys are writing about sex, their parents are deviants.
You forget, kids find out about sex from OTHER SOURCES (magazines, dvds, internet). When they write sex stories, of course their parents have NO idea! Kids nowadays are more mature than us (when we're their age). We think we have right to censor pedo stories to protect the kids. But we forget to ask what the 'kids' want!

Now I ask you, when did you first ever notice your dick can harden? When did you learn how to jack off? Let me guess, when you're UNDERAGE right? Below 18yo? Didn't you have sex fantasy with adults???

All Im saying, pedo problem is COMPLEX. Many elements are involved. Be objective. Instead of blindly hack away all under 18yo materials.

Then again, of course it's so much EASIER to ban all under 18yo materials rather than to dissect the problem...
 
1. The limit of pedo varies. 16-17 is underage? 15yo girl wants to MARRY already! They look physically ADULT!!!

2. Not all pedo stories are written by adult. Many UNDERAGE boys write their sex fantasy! :grrr:

3. You can't crucify Nifty for FEW underage stories (plus 'violent/rape' stories) because there are plenty of great gay stories too.




Don't run from the subject. Tell me your opinons about those three points I make before you accuse me of endorsing kiddie porn!:grrr:](*,):mad: I may have to shop for Elenian dictionary when I reply your message.

Do you mind if I voice my opinion?

I don't see you endorsing or condoning kiddie porn, but you don't seem to have a problem with it and you're defending both the authors and the readers, and you're defending Nifty for allowing it.

1. This entire forum is based upon the American constitution and laws. The rest of the world, no matter their constitution or laws, must abide by the American way. Therefore, the legal age is 18. There is no discussion and there are no exceptions. The magic number is 18.

But there is no magic number at Nifty. No age is illegal. No age difference is illegal. No behaviour is illegal. No sex act is illegal.

As has been mentioned, young teens in the advanced stages of puberty are battling new feelings and massive doses of hormones. They experiment and the spend a lot of time enjoying their new bodies. They understand what it means to give their consent, and they understand what they're consenting to. It happens in real life and it's understandable in the stories.

Prepubescent boys don't have the knowledge or the ability to defend themselves. They can't consent to something they don't understand, especially when they don't even know what 'consent' means. To glorify it the way they do is deplorable. I can't imagine an 8-year-old becoming obsessed with sex.

As for a 15-year-old getting married, there's a big difference between getting married at 15 is not frowned upon, and it's not an issue in this discussion. (It might be an issue if it were a 40-year-old man she was marrying.)


2. How do you know this? I've never seen the age of an author displayed. There may be underaged authors submitting there, but I would guess that they are a very, very small percentage. (Some of them just look as though they were written by young boys.) Most of the stories there are written by adults for adults.

3. You are deluding yourself if you think there are only a "FEW" underaged stories there.

No further comment on this one.
 
Legally, pre-puberscent is hard to define! A boy who looks young may have had pubes already. Hence everywhere, people use age as legal limit.

Well. You have just lost all credibility with me with this statement. If you seriously believe this, then further discussion is a complete waste of time, no matter how many times you tell us you don't condone it.
 
But on the internet, the definition is blurred because NO ACTUAL SEX takes place!!! It's just fictional stories!

You're wrong. On the internet, most story websites takes STRICT precautions. The youngest character allowed is only EIGHTEEN. Less than that (16,17) are considered UNDERAGE. Men On The Net for example censor my gay story when I was still 20yo coz I wrote about 16yo guy which had puberty already.

What are you talking about? I gave the definition of pedophilia.

And... what are you talking about? The topic was Nifty, which people here have said has stories of 45-y.o. men having sex with kids who are 10 or 12. So don't change the subject.

Legally, pre-puberscent is hard to define! A boy who looks young may have had pubes already. Hence everywhere, people use age as legal limit.

Everywhere but Nifty, apparently -- where you support their pedophile stories.

You forget, kids find out about sex from OTHER SOURCES (magazines, dvds, internet). When they write sex stories, of course their parents have NO idea! Kids nowadays are more mature than us (when we're their age). We think we have right to censor pedo stories to protect the kids. But we forget to ask what the 'kids' want!

Finding out about sex is irrelevant: this is about HARM TO KIDS. Kiddie porn is harmful to kids who encounter it, and harmful because it incites pedophiles to act out.

"What the kids want"? What are you, a member of NAMBLA, which maintains that kids with single-digit ages actually seek sex with men old enough to be their grandfathers?

And for older kids, you want to encourage them to think that sexually abusing little kids is okay? That's what pedo stories do -- they train the mind of the reader to accept and even desire what the story portrays.

Now I ask you, when did you first ever notice your dick can harden? When did you learn how to jack off? Let me guess, when you're UNDERAGE right? Below 18yo? Didn't you have sex fantasy with adults???

Sex fantasies with adults? No. Sex fantasies with my peers? I could probably count them on the fingers of both hands.

More important is when I found out that pedophilia is harmful -- by experiencing it. So I know what you're defending: harm to kids.

All Im saying, pedo problem is COMPLEX. Many elements are involved. Be objective. Instead of blindly hack away all under 18yo materials.

I've been talking about pedophilia, which is happening at Nifty -- don't change the subject.

And I'm being objective, while you're denying reality: pedophilia harms kids. I've described the ways, and you ignore it. Harm is very objective. You're playing with theory.

And you haven't said the pedo issue is complex, you've just said that it's okay.

Then again, of course it's so much EASIER to ban all under 18yo materials rather than to dissect the problem...

"Dissect the problem"? You won't even begin! The starting point is that pedophilia is harmful to kids. It doesn't matter if it's kiddie porn pictures or kiddie porn stories; both advocate the sexual abuse of children.

Get that through your head: by allowing the posting of pedophilic literature, Nifty is encouraging pedophiles. That means they're encouraging the sexual abuse of children. That means they should be shut down and prosecuted, because they are advocating harm to kids.
 
Do you mind if I voice my opinion?

I don't see you endorsing or condoning kiddie porn, but you don't seem to have a problem with it and you're defending both the authors and the readers, and you're defending Nifty for allowing it.

I actually try not to take a side. I try to be objective and neutral. I dont like pedos but I don't go shouting "Crucify him!"

Maybe coz I have experienced the BITTERNESS of getting oppressed by the homophpbes, I try not to oppress others, that includes pedos. They're humans too. And in afct, I know ONE PEDO MAN 40-50yo from Finland. And he once told me how painful for him not bein able to stop getting attracted to underage kids. I don't endorse him but I can't condemn him either after I heard his painful story...

I only defend Nifty for its non kiddy stories. I try to keep a blind eye about Nifty's kiddie stories. You have to understand, I'm a gay erotica writer too and Nifty is kind of like a HOME for me, considering all my BDSM stories are rejected by JUB and other puritan gay websites. If I join your crusade to 'close' Nifty, it's like me burning down my own house. Ok, I'm not objective about this but at least I'm not hypocrite.




The magic number is 18.
In my country, 18 is minimum legal age too. But then again, have you noticed how ADULT-LOOKING 'underage kids' look like now? If a man gets hard over a muscular '16yo boy who has already had body hair, muscle, and tough look... is he still a pedophile????



2. How do you know this? I've never seen the age of an author displayed.
I know it because occasionally UNDERAGE 'boys' (highschool 16-17) wrote to me to tell me how much they love my adult-vs-adult gay sex stories. A few also said they wrote their own sex fantasies. They were all in puberty already but then again they're below 18, so still underage right? 'Underage kids' are more grown up than we used to be. That's the fact. Blame it on fast food and internet/cable tv.

And in case you wonder if I have any written sexual emails/chat with them, my answer is NO! Hell, I'm getting turned on by men in their 30-40s. Esp the macho rugged type. Not highschool 'kids'.


3. You are deluding yourself if you think there are only a "FEW" underaged stories there.
Nifty has MANY sections. Not all sections are littered with underage stories. Military for example. And also Authoritarian (well unless if you also hate 'violence/rape'). Don't forget, it also has Lesbian, Transgender, and Bisexual section. If you're objective and have time to list the ENTIRE STORIES Nifty hosts, you'll find that underage stories aren't as many as you think.

Again, most underage stories are about 16 or so. Depend on the readers' censor, if they think 16-17 aren't underage, then the number of real underage stories decreases.
 
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