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Obama admits that he is a Muslim.

Benvolio said:
Nonsense. The US was a very religious country for 200 years and became the greatest country in history, and the leading democracy.
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Religious? So was every other non-communist country during the same period.
 
The first article (the best one) is no longer available (even by the wayback machine).

Fear and Loathing at Philadelphia’s BattleCry
It began with fireworks so loud and startling I screamed. Lights and smoke followed, and a few kids were pulled up on stage from the crowd. One was asked to read a letter.

This was the letter that opened the event. Its author was George W. Bush. Yes, the president of the United States sent a letter of support, greeting, prayer and encouragement to the BattleCry event held at Wachovia Spectrum Stadium in Philadelphia on May 12. Immediately afterward, a preacher took the microphone and led the crowd in prayer. Among other things, he asked the attendees to ?Thank God for giving us George Bush.?

On his cue, about 17,000 youths from upward of 2,000 churches across America and Canada directed their thanks heavenward in unison.

Throughout the three and a half hours of BattleCry?s first session, I thought of only one analogy that fit the experience: This must have been what it felt like to watch the Hitler Youth, filled with self-righteous pride, proclaim the supremacy of their beliefs and their willingness to shed blood for them.
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truthdig --------- Third Article
 
Benvolio said:
Nonsense. The US was a very religious country for 200 years and became the greatest country in history, and the leading democracy. The conservatives have never wanted an authoritarian country. It is the liberals who want total control including an end to religion.
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The Founding Fathers wrote and put up every roadblock they could to established religion; it was what separated the United States from England in the first place. As for being very religious, I'd say white males did pretty good under "religion" but I wouldn't mention it to blacks, Native Americans, Chinese, Irish, German, Japanese, or any other immigrant community. Our fears of religion were highlighted in the fact that John F. Kennedy had to explicitly say he would follow the constitution and not the pope. The right seem to have forgotten all of that and are really no different than the Sharia Law they rally against with their hooded sheets.
 
Kulindahr said:
This is why I have patiently pointed out over the years that what is called "conservative" Christianity in the United States is no conservative, but radical and reactionary. Martin Luther foresaw what the Radical Reformation would give birth to, and it wasn't freedom! It has an inherent totalitarian streak, one swept under the rug in American history classes for kids, where they purposely don't point out that what most of the religiously-motivated settlers in America wanted wasn't religious freedom, but to be the ones persecuting the others. The Puritans are held up as an example of liberty, but they were just totalitarians of their own stripe seeking a place to be the top dogs.

And we have come to face that true heritage.
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This! You get it! As so-called "Christians" love to point out, that Muslim religious run governments are radical. Duh! They then try to compare Turkey, Saudi Arabia, or Yemen, to the USA or Britain as examples of superior Christian values. Um...no. What these "Christians" forget is not only the long history of relegating religion to the back corners of government, but they ignore rabid, uber, Christian governments in Uganda and Africa where "kill the gays" laws were written BY AMERICANS!!!! It disgusts me to the core to watch these so-called xtians deny that they are every bit as bad as Muslims when given the chance. The only difference between radical xtians and muslims, is availability of current governments. That's all. They are equally sick.

Much like I posted just 5 or 8 years ago, that I am more likely by a factor of 10x or 20x to be beat and struck by so-called xtians walking down the street vs. Muslims.
 
American Christians today are the same type of Christians who built our country to be this greatest country in the world and the leading democracy. It is a lie to suggest that they want anything but the democracy which made is great .
 
Benvolio said:
American Christians today are the same type of Christians who built our country to be this greatest country in the world and the leading democracy. It is a lie to suggest that they want anything but the democracy which made is great .
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They want it at the expense of any other "non-Christian" religion. Problem is that it is their definition of "non-Christian."
 
Benvolio said:
American Christians today are the same type of Christians who built our country to be this greatest country in the world and the leading democracy. It is a lie to suggest that they want anything but the democracy which made is great .
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Way to go discounting some of the earth shattering achievements of America's Jewish population. Not to mention more recent ones by people who are agnostic, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim or other. But I guess they don't count in your world view.
 
PacificBeach said:
I am more likely by a factor of 10x or 20x to be beat and struck by so-called xtians walking down the street vs. Muslims.
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Or I'll say alternatively: I would feel safer living in Dearborn, Michigan...than in some "benign" southern city such as Columbia SC, Jackson TN, Ocala FL or Alexandria LA. There be's antigay hate there. And yes in Dearborn, too, but I think as a rule Muslims as a percentage are less rabid than xtian extremists, but the latter [and the former] are RESTRAINED by laws here.

Specifically, Dearborn is a suburb which is VERY heavily Middle Eastern in population - I've heart it attributed as having the largest population of Arabs of any city outside the regions of the world attributed to that ethnicity. (I assume London has overtaken that by now?)

Or, put another way, if the percentage of xtian radicalists in the USA was the SAME percentage as the Muslim radicalists in Middle Eastern countries...AND THE LAWS HERE WERE THE SAME...I think the genocide against gays would be far more horrific here.
 
Benvolio said:
American Christians today are the same type of Christians who built our country to be this greatest country in the world and the leading democracy. It is a lie to suggest that they want anything but the democracy which made is great .
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You must be joking.
 
rareboy said:
You must be joking.
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Sadly, no. There are far to many that think the exact same way. I used to have a friend that went off on Bernie. She'd whine "but he's not a Christian". After the umptenth time that I heard that, I said "why in the fuck does it matter?". She's the same one that I asked if she'd ever vote for an atheist for president. Her answer was no.
 
Benvolio said:
American Christians today are the same type of Christians who built our country to be this greatest country in the world and the leading democracy. It is a lie to suggest that they want anything but the democracy which made is great .
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Jesus to God. Are you really that ignorant?

Of the first five Presidents, only one -- the last -- could be considered a Christian in the Pat Robertson sense of the term. When Polk was running for President, they sent round a bunch of workmen with hammers and chisels to try and expunge some offensive phrasing, such as references to "camp bawling" (a dig at Methodism) and "holy cheats".

As for the present day, it's not too difficult to find American Christians who despise freedom and democracy and are working to bring them to an end. Nor is it difficult to find American Christians who are working to bring about the end, by bringing about the preconditions necessary for that, including the breeding of a special type of cattle necessary and the funding, within Israel, of the raising of a special breed of children, who, among other qualifications, have feet which have never touched the ground.
 
LittleDove said:
Jesus to God. Are you really that ignorant?

Of the first five Presidents, only one -- the last -- could be considered a Christian in the Pat Robertson sense of the term. When Polk was running for President, they sent round a bunch of workmen with hammers and chisels to try and expunge some offensive phrasing, such as references to "camp bawling" (a dig at Methodism) and "holy cheats".

As for the present day, it's not too difficult to find American Christians who despise freedom and democracy and are working to bring them to an end. Nor is it difficult to find American Christians who are working to bring about the end, by bringing about the preconditions necessary for that, including the breeding of a special type of cattle necessary and the funding, within Israel, of the raising of a special breed of children, who, among other qualifications, have feet which have never touched the ground.
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DO NOT Toss facts at the ELEPHANTS!!!

CAN'T YOU READ THE SIGNS!

Reality gives them indigestion.
 
And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
~ Letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, April 11, 1823
 
jbrown329 said:
And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
~ Letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, April 11, 1823
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Jesus really existed and he was a good guy. Just cause millions of his followers ignore him and are hateful doesn't change who he is.
 
voltronforce said:
Jesus really existed and he was a good guy. Just cause millions of his followers ignore him and are hateful doesn't change who he is.
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Really? If he was such a great guy, why is so much of the bible rehashed lore of the day? Also, why did it take people, none of whom witnessed this "christ child" 60 to 200 years AFTER he died to write what became the New Testament?
 
rareboy said:
Is that a rhetorical question?
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Somewhat, but not entirely.

It boggles my mind to see someone be so consistently so wrong about so much. The pity of it is that he occasionally does have a criticism that has some validity, or there's some point that's worth considering. But it's been buried under such an avalanche of wrong that it's just lost or ignored, like the boy who cried wolf.

As an aside, I see I left something out in my earlier post, when I wandered away from the keyboard for a bit. I appear to have left out the part noting that it was on Polk's grandfather's tomb that the offensive poetic effusions were to be found.
 
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