Obama admits that he is a Muslim.

[Kabluey]

Somewhat, but not entirely.

It boggles my mind to see someone be so consistently so wrong about so much. The pity of it is that he occasionally does have a criticism that has some validity, or there's some point that's worth considering. But it's been buried under such an avalanche of wrong that it's just lost or ignored, like the boy who cried wolf.

As an aside, I see I left something out in my earlier post, when I wandered away from the keyboard for a bit. I appear to have left out the part noting that it was on Polk's grandfather's tomb that the offensive poetic effusions were to be found.

I think he tries to use valid arguments to lend credibility to the nonsense ones.
It's a debating tactic, but one that requires balance. He has so much wrong, the wrong tends to just discredit his valid points, as you point out.

 

[voltronforce]

There is no proof of such.

There will be no proof you existed 2000 years from now either.

 

[voltronforce]

Really? If he was such a great guy, why is so much of the bible rehashed lore of the day? Also, why did it take people, none of whom witnessed this "christ child" 60 to 200 years AFTER he died to write what became the New Testament?

Please tell you are not talking about that Zietgiest crap. Just so you know its not that things were not written down in his day, its that none survive from then. You are not entitled to your own facts. There are Liberal Christians pushing back against the Right Wing Bigots you know. From Regular Pastors and Bishops and lay people to secret societies like the Priory of Sion. Read the original books Holy Blood Holy Grail and The Messianic Legacy.

 

[Telstra]

Please tell you are not talking about that Zietgiest crap. Just so you know its not that things were not written down in his day, its that none survive from then. You are not entitled to your own facts. There are Liberal Christians pushing back against the Right Wing Bigots you know. From Regular Pastors and Bishops and lay people to secret societies like the Priory of Sion. Read the original books Holy Blood Holy Grail and The Messianic Legacy.

This is why religion should not be taken seriously.
No one can prove anything, just their opinions. Science at least can prove atoms exist even if they are billions of years ago.

 

[jbrown329]

There will be no proof you existed 2000 years from now either.

Think not? Explain Tut.

 

[jbrown329]

This is why religion should not be taken seriously.
No one can prove anything, just their opinions. Science at least can prove atoms exist even if they are billions of years ago.

Religion poisons everything.

 

[LittleDove]

There are Liberal Christians pushing back against the Right Wing Bigots you know. From Regular Pastors and Bishops and lay people to secret societies like the Priory of Sion. Read the original books Holy Blood Holy Grail and The Messianic Legacy.

No-one's told you that all that crap was debunked a long while ago? That the Prieuré de Sion was a complete hoax? That Plantard was an out-and-out fraud? That all the "evidence" was fabricated? That François-Bérenger Saunière was a cheat and a trickster, and that the sole source of his wealth was larceny by conversion? That he took the monies donated for the saying of masses and simply pocketed them for his own use?

 

[jbrown329]

No-one's told you that all that crap was debunked a long while ago? That the Prieuré de Sion was a complete hoax? That Plantard was an out-and-out fraud? That all the "evidence" was fabricated? That François-Bérenger Saunière was a cheat and a trickster, and that the sole source of his wealth was larceny by conversion? That he took the monies donated for the saying of masses and simply pocketed them for his own use?

Sounds like today's televangelists. Yes, I'm looking at you Joel Osteen.

 

[voltronforce]

No-one's told you that all that crap was debunked a long while ago? That the Prieuré de Sion was a complete hoax? That Plantard was an out-and-out fraud? That all the "evidence" was fabricated? That François-Bérenger Saunière was a cheat and a trickster, and that the sole source of his wealth was larceny by conversion? That he took the monies donated for the saying of masses and simply pocketed them for his own use?

No he only backed off after being threatened with jail time under pressure by the Church. The Catholic Church would love you. I suggest you read the books. Anyone descended from Charlemagne is descended from Jesus which is millions of people. The Church does not want that to get out.

 

[LittleDove]

I have read the books. They're a complete and utter crock. The whole thing is based upon forgery and fraud from beginning to end.

 

[voltronforce]

I have read the books. They're a complete and utter crock. The whole thing is based upon forgery and fraud from beginning to end.

Right have you read about his trials. No records were presented to the court. They said he refused to turn them over. The Church made up their findings wholesale. I don't think it is humanly possible for him to have sold almost $200,000 in masses in that small village in 1910. lol Funny how you blindly support the Church when it suits you and attack it the next.

 

[TX-Beau]

Right have you read about his trials. No records were presented to the court. They said he refused to turn them over. The Church made up their findings wholesale. I don't think it is humanly possible for him to have sold almost $200,000 in masses in that small village in 1910. lol Funny how you blindly support the Church when it suits you and attack it the next.

OK so I don't know what they fuck you're talking about. But how do you KNOW Charlemagne is a descendant of Christ? Do you have DNA? How do you even know who Christ was? How do you know he was Divine?

 

[TX-Beau]

Is this that plot from the Tom Hanks movie?

 

[TX-Beau]

There will be no proof you existed 2000 years from now either.

Actually there is proof any number of personages from 2000 years ago existed, what there isn't proof of, is that any of them were divine - walking undead.

 

[jbrown329]

Actually there is proof any number of personages from 2000 years ago existed, what there isn't proof of, is that any of them were divine - walking undead.

Zombies I tell ya, Zombies!

 

[PacificBeach]

Please tell you are not talking about that Zietgiest crap. Just so you know its not that things were not written down in his day, its that none survive from then. You are not entitled to your own facts. There are Liberal Christians pushing back against the Right Wing Bigots you know. From Regular Pastors and Bishops and lay people to secret societies like the Priory of Sion. Read the original books Holy Blood Holy Grail and The Messianic Legacy.

What in holy hell are you going on about? Why would I want to read books written in the 1980s about Jesus? Especially one that posits that Mary Magdelene cooter was the holy grail? It's simple really. If the bible is to be believed why did it take 150 years for someone to get around to writing about Jesus? I'm sure their memories of a man they never met were really accurate weren't they? The tropes of the Trinity and virgin birth, Eden, the flood, and all sorts of nonsense in the bible was written in books and lore before the bible was written. The Epic of Gilgamesh being just one book written 2,000 years before "christ" showed up.

 

[LittleDove]

Right have you read about his trials.

Yes.

I don't think it is humanly possible for him to have sold almost $200,000 in masses in that small village in 1910.

If you had read about the trials, you might have noted that he wasn't selling masses in just that small village. He was selling them all over France.

Funny how you blindly support the Church when it suits you and attack it the next.

I am not blindly supporting the church; I am supporting fact and reason. I have not communicated in upwards of a quarter century. I could pinpoint the exact date, were I to wish to devote the time and effort needed to the search, but the reason is neither here nor there and is, in any case, none of your business.

Funny how you choose to centre your beliefs on documents that were outright forgeries, and have been proven to be such, from beginning to end.

 

[voltronforce]

Yes.



If you had read about the trials, you might have noted that he wasn't selling masses in just that small village. He was selling them all over France.



I am not blindly supporting the church; I am supporting fact and reason. I have not communicated in upwards of a quarter century. I could pinpoint the exact date, were I to wish to devote the time and effort needed to the search, but the reason is neither here nor there and is, in any case, none of your business.

Funny how you choose to centre your beliefs on documents that were outright forgeries, and have been proven to be such, from beginning to end.

Funny how you support a Church Trial in which no evidence was presented because the Priest allegedly refused to hand it over so they just concluded the way that suited the Church best. Seeing as how I went to law school I can tell you that this is a fundamental flaw in a trial. You can't make a conclusion with missing evidence. Of course the whole premise of the Priory of Sion is that the Church is keeping secrets and is after the family of Christ's children. Reason and Fact does not support making conclusions Wholesail from missing evidence.

 

[Kulindahr]

American Christians today are the same type of Christians who built our country to be this greatest country in the world and the leading democracy. It is a lie to suggest that they want anything but the democracy which made is great .

I used to be part of that right-wing reactionary theocratic movement, and it's nothing but that: theocratic. Their version of democracy would only allow Christians to vote -- and like the ancient Inquisition, they would decide who is Christian enough.

 

[Kulindahr]

Really? If he was such a great guy, why is so much of the bible rehashed lore of the day? Also, why did it take people, none of whom witnessed this "christ child" 60 to 200 years AFTER he died to write what became the New Testament?

The best figures put it at forty to a hundred years after.

Why didn't they write much down earlier? Well, when you expect your guy to be back before you have grandkids, why bother to write much down? The impetus to record anything about Jesus' life didn't come till the Apostles started dying off.