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Obama admits that he is a Muslim.

gsdx said:
That's where we differ from you. We don't have a Muslim prime minister, but we have Muslims in parliament. In fact, my elected MP (Member of Parliament) is a both a Muslim and an immigrant (Afghanistan), and she is a member of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's cabinet as Minister of Democratic Institutions.

Your hatred, along with Trump's and his supporters', keep racism and bigotry alive.
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You do know that we have people of all faiths (including Muslims) and some without any in our congress...
 
peeonme said:
You do know that we have people of all faiths (including Muslims) and some without any in our congress...
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I assumed as much. I was just commenting on Benvolio's post that Obama would never have been elected if he were Muslim. I don't think it would have made a difference, just as it doesn't make a difference here in Canada. Muslim or not, Americans thought he was the best man for the job.

I do know that, after Obama was elected the first time, he came to Canada a short time later. He walked freely around a mall with only a handful of bodyguards to keep his fans at bay, and bought beavertails (doughnuts shaped like beaver tails) at a small shop in the mall for his daughters.

Trump would need the protection if he ever thought Canada was worthy of his presence. He would not be very welcome, and I don't think he would like Justin Trudeau very much.
 
@gsdx,
It seems that Americans go a little nutty every 4 years. There can be nothing wrong or said to be wrong with their candidate, a little news flash: Neither candidate ever walked on water or turned it into wine, never healed the sick or gave a command that rose one from the dead.

I am amused at how angry some get if you disagree with just one thing about the platform of the party that they endorse, must we march in lock step?

I voted for Obama because we needed change, he has brought some. In America it is an ugly process, some compare it to making sausage.

Hillary is not perfect, neither is Trump, nor are either of them satan incarnate.
 
peeonme said:
@gsdx,
It seems that Americans go a little nutty every 4 years. There can be nothing wrong or said to be wrong with their candidate, a little news flash: Neither candidate ever walked on water or turned it into wine, never healed the sick or gave a command that rose one from the dead.

I am amused at how angry some get if you disagree with just one thing about the platform of the party that they endorse, must we march in lock step?

I voted for Obama because we needed change, he has brought some. In America it is an ugly process, some compare it to making sausage.

Hillary is not perfect, neither is Trump, nor are either of them satan incarnate.
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If you disagree with Hillary on policy, you'll be amazed how accommodating I can be, if you repeat tired memes and stupid crap tossed at her by wingnuts, I'm going to toss the shit right back.
 
Frankly I think that 90% of the time people call Hillary the nasty names is because they don't actually know enough, and haven't tried to find out about about her policy positions to criticize with any kind of legitimacy.
 
peeonme said:
Hillary is not perfect, neither is Trump, nor are either of them satan incarnate.
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I'm don't know if Hillary would make a good president, but she would be excellent compared to Trump. He has proven himself to be a bully, and on the world stage, I can see him threatening to 'push the button' if he doesn't get what he wants. I seriously doubt that the word 'negotiate' is in his vocabulary if it doesn't benefit him personally.
 
Benvolio said:
2016 tally: 12,468 mulims versus 68 Christians.
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I doubt the president sorts through asylum applications to pick and choose specific attributes. But as more refugees are admitted, you’ll probably see the statistics even out.
 
opinterph said:
I doubt the president sorts through asylum applications to pick and choose specific attributes. But as more refugees are admitted, you’ll probably see the statistics even out.
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I think the president has given instructions to the people making the decisions. Muslims promote his hodgepodge policy more than Christians.
 
 
Benvolio said:
I think the president has given instructions to the people making the decisions.
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It is not unusual to discover that you haven't done your research. As Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) relates in his Religious Persecution Relief Act of 2016, “The current refugee resettlement process unintentionally discriminates against Syrian religious minorities.” (emphasis mine)

There is an explanation and it’s not what you suggest.
 
opinterph said:
It is not unusual to discover that you haven't done your research. As Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) relates in his Religious Persecution Relief Act of 2016, “The current refugee resettlement process unintentionally discriminates against Syrian religious minorities.” (emphasis mine)

There is an explanation and it’s not what you suggest.
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Obama could solve the problem if he chose. It took a Republican to try to do something.
 
opinterph said:
It is not unusual to discover that you haven't done your research. As Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) relates in his Religious Persecution Relief Act of 2016, “The current refugee resettlement process unintentionally discriminates against Syrian religious minorities.” (emphasis mine)

There is an explanation and it’s not what you suggest.
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But it's easier to believe in malicious schemes.

One of my big troubles with thinking on both ends of the political spectrum is that there is a marked tendency to ignore the adage not to ascribe to maliciousness what can be attributed to incompetence -- based on an assumption, at the top level, that a president has (or at least ought to have) divine attributes so that he can be aware of every little detail of what's going on in the federal government.

What we're really seeing is a phenomenon that came to plague the Eastern Roman Empire especially, namely that as government becomes bigger than the executive can effectively oversee, first of all details fall to the wayside and unintended consequences don't get addressed, and secondly that in the gray space thus created corruption thrives.
 
Benvolio said:
Obama could solve the problem if he chose. It took a Republican to try to do something.
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And here is an example of ascribing divine attributes to the president: he's supposed to see all, know all, and have power over all.

Perhaps, ben, this is actually a symptom of the fact that the job of president is bigger than any one human being can cover.
 
Kulindahr said:
And here is an example of ascribing divine attributes to the president: he's supposed to see all, know all, and have power over all.

Perhaps, ben, this is actually a symptom of the fact that the job of president is bigger than any one human being can cover.
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Immigration, especially muslim immigration has been Obama's priority, often by ignoring the law and exercising executive action--often immigration predictably harmful to the US as by allowing probable terrotists. So I don't expect him micro manage everything, but we are entitled to blame him for harmful flaws in his priorities.

And, he has admited that immigration is to change the electorate in favor of democrats. http://www.amren.com/news/2015/02/obama-hopeful-immigration-will-drown-conservatism/
 
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