Obama cancels events on Thursday & Friday

[samsonite]

So what about this election changed you? Now you clearly criticize Obama at every opportunity. I could understand someone switching from Dem. to Repub. at any given point, but to do it after Bush and before Mccain just seems like the worst possible time to jump ship.



Maybe because you do nothing but criticize Obama. If it ain't A it's probably B.



The same guy who voted with Bush 90% of the time? And you wanna talk about Obama?



Nuh-uh. I made up that analogy, find your own.



So, do you have anything good to say about Obama? Surely he can't be all bad, surely you don't think he's a completely incompetent buffoon who is a danger to himself and others. The man graduated from Harvard Law so he has something in between his ears.

LOL.

It's just a classic case of sour grapes.

 

[NickCole]

So what about this election changed you?

I've not changed, except some more lessons learned.

Although I opposed Bush on many policies, some of the things I criticize about Obama, I criticized about Bush.

I don't disagree with most of what Obama says his positions are, but I recognize Obama is an unprincipled man with a ... shall we say ... flexible notion of character. Like Bush, he can't be trusted.

Now you clearly criticize Obama at every opportunity. I could understand someone switching from Dem. to Repub. at any given point, but to do it after Bush and before Mccain just seems like the worst possible time to jump ship.

It has nothing to do with Bush. It's about Obama and McCain.

Like many Americans, I'm voting by choosing the less worse of the two.

Nuh-uh. I made up that analogy, find your own.

You made it up?! Ha! I've been using that analogy since about six months after Bush was selected.

So, do you have anything good to say about Obama? Surely he can't be all bad, surely you don't think he's a completely incompetent buffoon who is a danger to himself and others. The man graduated from Harvard Law so he has something in between his ears.

I never said he's stupid. He's clearly an intelligent man.

 

[NickCole]

What on God's green Earth do Bush and Obama have in common other than wives and penises?

They are both entitled, unprincipled and very short on character. They're both deceitful and untrustworthy.

So you'd rather have a candidate that's stiff, rigid, and inflexible? That's the best way to NOT get things done, by having someone who won't compromise.

Obama being "flexible" means he says he's for gay rights but when it comes to actually doing something substantive to help with gay rights he is silent. His being "flexible" means he promises to use public campaign financing and gets McCain to pledge to it, then doesn't follow through with it. Obama being "flexible" means he vows to filibuster to defeat FISA but then not only doesn't filibuster but votes "yes."

What makes Obama worse than Mccain/Mccain better than Obama?

I gotta hear this.

I've already answered this a thousand times.

He's unprincipled, unreliable, untrustworthy.

And Congress will be Democratic-controlled probably with a filibuster-proof majority, headed by Pelosi, whom I also don't trust - especially with fiscal responsibility. I think a divided government, even with McCain as President, may be less damaging to America than an unbridled Obama/Pelosi government.

 

[NickCole]

How is Obama deceitful? And short on character? He's a married man with two kids, that doesn't earn him any credibility?

Bush is a married man with two kids just like Obama. He's still a bad President.

You're right, he is silent. You don't have to say anything while you're checking boxes in favor of gay rights like he's done numerous times.

When there are amendments and propositions that seek to write discrimination of gays into law, and the block of voters who can put it over the top are African Americans who will show up at the polls to vote for Obama, checking boxes as Obama's done is not enough.

Not enough by a long stretch.

His silence on the issue Monday and Tuesday in Florida is flatly unacceptable. It proves he will not fight for gay rights.

You coulda humored me.

I did.

Can any of this be proven with...there's that pesky word again..... FACTS?

As a start, read my post. I know you don't like repeats but you don't seem to get it the first time.

Obama being "flexible" means he says he's for gay rights but when it comes to actually doing something substantive to help with gay rights he is silent. His being "flexible" means he promises to use public campaign financing and gets McCain to pledge to it, then doesn't follow through with it. Obama being "flexible" means he vows to filibuster to defeat FISA but then not only doesn't filibuster but votes "yes."

 

[G-Lexington]

Marley, facts are for people who haven't made up their mind.

Lex

 

[smelter]

Spensed and Smelter in yesterday's post battle with Justapixel and NickCole.

 

[Spensed]

^ Maybe so, but it's smile worthy and some folk haven't seen it before.

 

[NickCole]

Okay, that's a fact about Bush, but no fact about Obama. Why do you keep ignoring my requests?

It's a fact that Obama is married with two children; that was what you suggested should "earn him credibility," and I pointed out that Bush also is married with two daughters and that didn't earn him any credibility so it also doesn't earn Obama any.

So Obama is responsible for the entire black community?

No he's responsible for taking action or not taking action on behalf of gay rights. How blacks vote is up to them. His silence in Florida is what he's responsible for.

Well, he may, he may not. In the past, he HAS fought (as in voted) for gay rights. I'd take that as an indicator of his future behavior.

He's never fought for gay rights and he's never voted for gay rights when it might have been difficult or cost him something. Anybody can vote for anything that isn't a risk. Fighting for gay rights is often a risk; he's proved he's not up to it. He won't be voting on anything anymore. Presidents don't vote. The indicator of his future behavior is right now with his action/inaction and he's proving he will not fight for gay rights.

Your argument against Obama's support of gay rights is that he doesn't pull the puppet strings of the black community? Personally I think it's a bit racist to insist that Obama has to "control" the black community.

Don't be insulting, to me, to the black community, to yourself.

I never said he had to control the black community or that the black community could or should be controlled.

I said he should speak out on behalf of gay rights, tell his crowds to vote against discrimination, against Prop 8 in CA and Amendment 2 in Florida, to stand with the gay community as the gay community is standing with him.

That the gay community endorses, supports, votes for a candidate and expects less from him or her is embarrassing to gays. Where's their self-respect? People who're discriminated against never gain rights unless they demand them.

I've read it 3 times over and I don't see any facts about Obama.

I'll help you.

Obama being "flexible" means he says he's for gay rights but when it comes to actually doing something substantive to help with gay rights he is silent.

Fact: Obama says he's for gay rights
Fact: Obama has not told his crowds, particularly in Florida this week when it counts, he wants them to oppose Prop 8 and Amendment 2.

His being "flexible" means he promises to use public campaign financing and gets McCain to pledge to it, then doesn't follow through with it.

Fact: Obama said he would use public financing, honoring a principle of campaign financing that Democrats/liberals/progressives have fought for and honored since Watergate, challenged McCain to pledge to do the same, McCain agreed (and kept his word, I might add), Obama bragged about getting McCain to pledge to use public financing.

Fact: When Obama discovered he could outraise McCain if he didn't take public financing, he went back on the pledge he, himself, had initiated and used to his advantage during the primaries.

Fact: Obama can't be trusted to honor his promise and he is unprincipled.


Obama being "flexible" means he vows to filibuster to defeat FISA but then not only doesn't filibuster but votes "yes."

Fact: This, again, involved a progressive principle that Obama not only said he supported but would fight for with a filibuster, and when it came down to the wire he gave in and voted "yes" without any fight at all.

Fact: Again, Obama can't be trusted to honor his word and he is unprincipled.

 

[NickCole]

Frankly this is getting boring.

Then be done with it.

I'll let yours be the last word in our discussion.

 

[Spiff]

I'll let yours be the last word in our discussion.

How noble of you.

 

[snapcat]

:thewave::thewave:

 

[syntax]

Re: Obama halts campaign for ill grandma

I hope she lives to see him become President


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I do too. How proud this woman must be of her grandson.