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Obama is failing

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Unfortunately, it appears that he would not deliver and I am not just talking about gay rights. He has become entangled in the trap set by the Republicans. He needs to take some daring measures like calling troops out of Afghanistan instead of sending more. Besides, Dems need to rein in on the conservatives as they have crossed all boundaries. I mean it has been Repubs tradition to blast off the Dem administration but this time they are not even respecting the office of the President to even a minor degree.

Republicans destroyed the US in their eight years and are ready to do more in future. They need to be stopped.
 
I have to agree that we haven't seen much change from the last administration. Blaming the republicans isn't a viable option. The democrats have substantial majorities in the House and Senate.

The fact is, both parties have an interest in the status quo. Keep electing them and nothing will ever change.
 
Republicans destroyed the US in their eight years and are ready to do more in future. They need to be stopped.

The Democrats control the House, the Senate and the Presidency.

And you blame the Republicans?

Wow. Just Wow.
 
Unfortunately, it appears that he would not deliver and I am not just talking about gay rights. He has become entangled in the trap set by the Republicans. He needs to take some daring measures like calling troops out of Afghanistan instead of sending more. Besides, Dems need to rein in on the conservatives as they have crossed all boundaries. I mean it has been Repubs tradition to blast off the Dem administration but this time they are not even respecting the office of the President to even a minor degree.

Republicans destroyed the US in their eight years and are ready to do more in future. They need to be stopped.

Your argument is horseshit. As has been said, the democrats control Washington. They can do anything they damn well please. But they aren't. The only ones that you have to blame are the President and the democrats in congress.
 
I have to agree with Jackoroe.
The Democrats are in control now.
The Status Quo has not and will not change.
At some point Democrats are going to have to accept responsibility before the mid term elections kick them out.
 
I have to agree that we haven't seen much change from the last administration. Blaming the republicans isn't a viable option. The democrats have substantial majorities in the House and Senate.

The fact is, both parties have an interest in the status quo. Keep electing them and nothing will ever change.

Yeah, that is the real problem. We need a third party that is focused on some real change. I think Obama is another Carter in the making.
 
^Bingo! Correct answer! Stop doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result!
 
I have to agree that we haven't seen much change from the last administration. Blaming the republicans isn't a viable option. The democrats have substantial majorities in the House and Senate.

The fact is, both parties have an interest in the status quo. Keep electing them and nothing will ever change.

I agree entirely, Jack, but I don't necessarily think a third option will solve the problem. The money in politics is strangling America, because politicians owe more to their contributors than they do to their constituents. A third party would probably be open to the same corruption and bribery.

In my opinion, the only way to rescue America from a political system that has stopped serving it's people is to put the people back in control and remove ALL political contributions. (The same goes for Australia's political system, too!)

Come to think of it, didn't Obama promise to fix that too?
 
The Republicans are absolutely responsible for the shit hole we are in now. I haven't forgotten that and I will still keep mentioning it.

That said, Obama has not delivered on gay rights and I can guarantee you that Republicans will not stop being against gay rights. Obama needs to man up and tell them to fuck off and deliver what he has promised. Period.

What about the two years dems were in control of congress, and the multiple years where they could have blocked legislation thanks to the deadlock in the Senate? That you absolve the democrats of their numerous sins speaks volumes about your bias. (let's be clear here, the republicans made many, many, many mistakes that we are paying for, but the democrats are not at ALL blameless)
 
I think it would be worthwhile for EVERYONE to take a breath, sit back, and count up what YOU have accomplished in the last 10mo.

"The Man", he is our President, you know, walked into a steaming pile of crap, voluntarily, and with his eyes wide open. For heaven's sake, give the guy a chance to shovel himself, and us, out of it!

He is not an Emperor, nor a King. He can not rule by fiat and decree. He is the Captain of our "Ship of State", crewed by independent committees/branches/bodies, with often conflicting interests, and that's one ungainly puppy to try to steer!

He does seem to have an honest desire to do the work, and not just bask in the glory of the office. Let him do the job he has before him, before we start throwing stones!

Geesh! "Kids" these days! #-o

(OMG! I'm sounding like my Dad!)

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
Obama is failing -- not because of Republicans and not because of what's left of the real Democratic Party but because of Obama, all the reasons I made clear as long ago as the Primaries. Obama is a failure at leading anything but a narcissistic campaign of seduction and deception and bullying -- always for the shallow pursuit of power for the sake of power and never for a principled cause. When it comes to actual substance Obama and ObamaDemocrats, or whatever you want to call that group, are failures.

And if Americans don't start figuring this out very soon, we're headed into major deep shit.

And BTW, Obama's failures are not contained by our borders. He's failing in Asia right now as well.

ABC reports:

...
If Mr. Obama hoped that his week-long four-country visit to Asia, his first as president, would yield concrete accomplishments that might silence critics skeptical that he deserves that prize, he might be disappointed.

Though White House aides insist the president’s trip was mainly to reassert a US presence in Asian diplomacy, and that his itinerary set no expectations for major feats, the president has heard disappointing news in the past few days.

On Tuesday, even as one member of the White House National Security Council seemed to signal his belief that President Obama would soon be pushing for economic sanctions against Iran for refusing to cooperate with international diplomatic efforts to end its suspected nuclear weapons program, Chinese President and Paramount Leader Hu Jintao Tuesday signaled he might not be willing to go along if the matter comes up for a vote on the United Nations Security Council. ... [snip]

Earlier on his trip, in Singapore, the Prime Minister of Denmark, Lars Loekke Rasmussen, the U.N.-sponsored climate conference’s chairman, formally announced that he did not think there would be an agreement coming out of Copenhagen, and more negotiations will be necessary.

Then, after meeting with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in a side meeting in Singapore, President Obama acknowledged that US-Russian negotiators would almost certainlynot make the deadline for a new nuclear disarmament agreement to take the place of the START treaty that expires on December 5.

More frustrations followed.

On Monday, Chinese government officialsrefused to broadcast live President Obama’s Shanghai town hall meeting on state-run television.

Moreover, Chinese authoritiesattacked the US economy. China Banking Regulatory Commission chairman Liu Mingkang blamed falsely inflated assets throughout the world on “massive speculation” caused by a weak U.S. dollar and low U.S. interest rates, which he said prompted “unavoidable risks for the recovery of the global economy, especially emerging economies.” ...

[There's more:]
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...faces-tough-days-on-the-diplomatic-front.html


And for those of you who can stand an even longer read, Democratic honcho Bob Shrum does an articulate job of laying out a very challenging scenario unfolding in the next month:

By the middle of next month, the die will be cast on the economy, health-care reform and Afghanistan. These are the tests that will decide Obama's presidency.

http://www.theweek.com/bullpen/column/102950/Obamas_three_fateful_tests
 
The Republicans are absolutely responsible for the shit hole we are in now. I haven't forgotten that and I will still keep mentioning it.


You go ahead and keep mentioning it. You're good at being wrong.

Democrats have been in power as well and are responsible for what they've done and not done.

There are a lot of individuals who are responsible for the shit hole we are in now, and that includes a lot of people who are not elected officials.


That said, Obama has not delivered on gay rights and I can guarantee you that Republicans will not stop being against gay rights. Obama needs to man up and tell them to fuck off and deliver what he has promised. Period.


Gay rights?

Are you kidding?

As I've said all along, we had a narrow window of opportunity at the start of Obama's presidency -- when fools were saying give him time. Your big talk about Obama needing to man up about gay rights might have been useful a year ago; now it's just silly. Even aside from the disasters unfolding because of Obama's failure at leadership, 2010 midterms are coming up. Do the math.
 
Patience, dear Nick, Patience! (group)

We shall indeed see what the midterms will bring. And, I trust, you will be pleasantly surprised! ..|

In the mean time ...

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
If this president can't do an about face, he's doomed to be a one-termer.

Another Carter....
 
Bullshit. The Republicans controlled everything. There was NOTHING any Democrat could have done. They would have been demonized and called a traitor.
At least some of them had enough balls to not be sucked into that war with Iraq. Hillary Clinton anyone?
If you're going to TRY and defend the democrats, you should at least tell the fucking truth. The democrats controlled congress from 2006-2008. In addition, they held a big enough minority to block ANY legislation from 2000-2004. They could have stopped ANY legislation dead in its tracks, but they didn't. They share blame. Definitely not equal blame, but they share a good chunk of it.
 
Unfortunately, it appears that he would not deliver and I am not just talking about gay rights. He has become entangled in the trap set by the Republicans. He needs to take some daring measures like calling troops out of Afghanistan instead of sending more. Besides, Dems need to rein in on the conservatives as they have crossed all boundaries. I mean it has been Repubs tradition to blast off the Dem administration but this time they are not even respecting the office of the President to even a minor degree.

Republicans destroyed the US in their eight years and are ready to do more in future. They need to be stopped.

Obama is doing worse than failing. He's turning moderate Democrats (Like me) into moderate Republicans. Especially with the healthcare thing.

The next president will be a moderate Republican if my vote counts for anything. It sucks because I hate the way conservatives try to legislate morality and things like The Patriot Act are truly frightening but I'd rather have a Republican than a Democrat who wants to force me to buy insurance.
 
Bullshit. The Republicans controlled everything. But sure, some Democrats are to blame for "parts" of the shit we are in now...but it's mostly Bush's and Cheney's and the Rep's fucking fault. Thanks for playing. :p

This isn't true. The Republicans only had complete control from 2004-2006. Before that, there was a strong enough Democratic minority to block legislation. However, the main reason that most anti-terror legislation was passed post-9/11 was due to the American way of thinking during that time. If the Democrats did not go along with the desires of the Republican party in light of 9/11, and voted against going to war, their already slim chances of gaining office in 2004 and beyond would have been lost.

While I admit their choices in this regard were short-sighted and they should have stood their ground, doing so might have held consequences we could not have predicted. Sure, we may have avoided war in the middle east, but at the same time how much more would the Republicans have demonized their rivals and used the patriotic fervor present in those years to their advantage more than they inevitably did?
 
I'd rather have a Republican than a Democrat who wants to force me to buy insurance.

Yes, well, unfortunately the whole healthcare debate is not squarely centered on your personal happiness in regards to it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and right now the number of people in this country losing healthcare is quickly becoming that 'many' while the number of insured is likewise becoming the 'few'.

I'd rather my tax dollars go to something I benefit personally from than an endless quagmire (a.k.a. the War on Terror) that I didn't support from day 1.
 
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