Obama Sinks as He's Vetted

[syntax]

As a voter in tomorrows PA primary, I will go out on a limb and predict that Hillary will win but by no more than 3 points.

Drudge is reporting that Sen. Clinton's internal polls are showing her up 11 points and winning 2 to 1 in some rural areas:

http://drudgereport.com/flashpa.htm

Tomorrow is going to be an exciting day.

 

[MystikWizard]

As a voter in tomorrows PA primary, I will go out on a limb and predict that Hillary will win but by no more than 3 points.

Good luck in the Primaries. Give us an update on what you see when you go to vote.

My prediction is that Hillary will win by no more than 6 points.

 

[syntax]

What's more interesting -- and significant -- is what always happens after the "vetting": he bounces back again and again.

 

[MystikWizard]

One has to concede at this point that Obama is more likeable and more electable in a General Election matchup against McCain. If you want to appeal to Independents and frustrated Republicans, Obama is the better choice.

People just don't trust Senator Clinton, and with good reason, because of everything we've seen out of the Clinton camp the past couple of months, along with a bad taste left in everyone's mouth from their scandals of the past. You can not force people to change their perceptions of her. They just don't trust the Clintons and that's the way it is.

Putting an unpopular, polarizing figure like her against McCain swings the pendulum even further on the side of the Republicans this November.

The bottom line is ... do you want a Democrat in the White House or do you want to put that in jeopardy come November? Obama clearly has the better chance at taking it than Rodham.

 

[smelter]

Good luck in the Primaries. Give us an update on what you see when you go to vote.

My prediction is that Hillary will win by no more than 6 points.

I only went to vote around 11:30 AM. The poll sitters told me that the turnout is very heavy for a primary. I'm in a heavily Republican town and the radio pundits have been dissing Obama all day. I think they're afraid he might win!

 

[NickCole]

Narrowing again after Pennsylvania:

 

[NickCole]

^ Don't you think it would be best if a winner was decided in June then, like Dean seems to prefer, instead of waiting until the convention in August?

A winner should be determined when both candidates have exhausted all legitimate opportunities they want in order to secure the nomination. If that doesn't happen until Denver then that's when it happens. Conventions weren't invented to annoit a previously decided-upon nominee; voting takes place at conventions and it's appropriate that the voting be decisive, not just pro-forma.

This Obama mantra of seeking to push a candidate out of the race even though half the electorate has voted for her is a revealing strategy from the crowd that claims to be uniters and agents of positive change in politics.

 

[NickCole]

As for the latter paragraph, nothing but lies.

You like to get away with a sneaky kind of nastiness, sneak around rules, as you describe here:

Opinterph is attempting to be consistent with the rules as they are---calling someone a liar is a personal attack. Saying that a statement is a lie is still allowed... nothing's changed, other than you have to hope the reader of your lie-exposing post can make the obvious implication that liars tell lies.

Very Obama of you.

Bush is like that too. He used it to start a war.

 

[Supernature]

^Ah so now you are like Bush too. The number of people like Bush seems to increase in exact proportion to the number of people Nick doesn't agree with.

 

[NickCole]

your candidate is such a loser.

Despite the media and the wind at his back and outspending her 3 to 1, Clinton still won Pennsylvania. Big. Within 24 hours of that, she raised $10 Million from supporters. And she's up in the polls.

That's what a winner looks like.

 

[NickCole]

Great, she can be governor of Pennsylvania then, if that's all you're after.

She can't be Governor of all the big states she won.

Guess she'll have to settle for President.

 

[NickCole]

Well, that could be, but the majority of the voters so far says no, they'd rather have Obama.

Nope.

The majority of the voters, which by definition includes those who voted in Florida and Michigan, say they'd rather have Clinton.

 

[NickCole]

Florida didn't count in 2000 for not following the rules, so the same is true again in this contest, with Michigan. Quit weaseling and just face facts.

You said the majority of the voters.

The people of Florida and Michigan who went out and cast votes are among "the voters."

That's a fact I've faced.

 

[NickCole]

Now Hillary's won Pennsylvania big, she's breaking her own fundraising record, and they're just about tied again:

 

[NickCole]

Dead even.

Hillary continues momentum forward while Obama continues to slide back.

And The New York Times today reports that Obama's aides describe him as bored.

 

[NickCole]

^^ 11 million people tuned in to the last debate.

Record numbers are registering to vote.

The people aren't bored.

And I don't want a President who gets bored with any challenge before her.

 

[NickCole]

A new AP poll shows Clinton now leads McCain substantively while Obama is even with him:

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton now leads John McCain by 9 points in a head-to-head presidential matchup, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll that bolsters her argument that she is more electable than Democratic rival Barack Obama. Obama and Republican McCain are running about even.

But this is especially interesting, and something superdelegates are undoubtedly watching since it cuts into Obama's central argument for his electability:

Helped by independents, young people and seniors, Clinton gained ground this month in a hypothetical match with Sen. McCain, the GOP nominee-in-waiting. She now leads McCain, 50 percent to 41 percent, while Obama remains virtually tied with McCain, 46 percent to 44 percent. ...

When pitted against McCain, Clinton now wins among independents, 50 percent to 34 percent, when just a few weeks ago she ran about even with him with this crucial group of voters. Clinton also now does better among independents than Obama does in a matchup with McCain.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll

 

[NickCole]

^ Spin, Nick, and you know it. There are two weeks between PA and NC/Indiana.

And 11 million is what percentage of 300 million living in the US? Is that the turnout to expect in the general election?

The lie that it's spin to say that people aren't bored with this race, that they remain very interested in this primary fits together with the other Obamabot lies. And, like Wright, the lies become part of defining Obama.

There is huge interest in this race. O'Reilly's interview with Hillary proved it again.

The ratings are in from last night, and Sen. Hillary Clinton's first ever appearance on The O'Reilly Factor proved ratings gold for the FNC program. Bill O'Reilly saw his best ratings of the calendar year last night, and at least the best ratings since mid-November 2007.

In the A25-54 demo, O'Reilly's 939,000 viewers put him ahead of the rest of the three networks (CNN, MSNBC and HLN), totaling 768,000 viewers. The 11pmET repeat of The O'Reilly Factor was the second highest rated cable news program in the demo last night.

In Total Viewers, O'Reilly saw 3,664,000 viewers, compared to the three-network total of 2,435,000 viewers.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/hillaryoreilly_part_i_best_all_year_83866.asp

 

[NickCole]

Hillary continues her climb up and Obama continues his slide down:

 

[jockboy01]

Seriously, NickCole, your numbers don't seem to include the fact that the Gallup poll has a margin of error of +/- 3 so really, there's been no change and it's all within the margin of error. So good try, but I don't buy it.

And take a look at this poll which shows Hillary losing ground... but again within the margin of error so really no change. In the long run Obama will win more states, more votes and more delegates. If the superdelegates put Clinton in office, they're ignoring the will of their voting base.


CBS News/New York Times Poll. April 25-29, 2008. N=402 Democratic primary voters nationwide. MoE ± 5.


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"Who would you like to see the Democratic Party nominate as its presidential candidate in 2008: [see below]?"


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4/25-29/08 3/28 - 4/2/08
% %


Barack Obama

46 46



Hillary Clinton


38 43

And if you want more poll results than your eyes can handle... http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm shows a ton of them. And it's clear that Clinton is NOT gaining substantial ground at all. Meanwhile if you look at the long term polls, it's clear that Obama has made HUGE strides over the last year. May the momentum continue