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Obama Sinks as He's Vetted

Update after the debate ... look what always happens after more Obama vetting:



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What's more interesting -- and significant -- is what always happens after the "vetting": he bounces back again and again.
 
byro said:
What's more interesting -- and significant -- is what always happens after the "vetting": he bounces back again and again.
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Yes, there's no question he's a good politician.

So was George Bush.

The point is when anything real, like his unscripted responses to difficult questions in Wednesday's debate, reveals who he really is that's when people see the truth and turn away from him.

Then his political act --along with the media and ObamaSupporters-- revs up and he bounces back again and again. Just like George Bush did. The similarities are striking. And the end result, if he becomes President, would be as similar. This isn't the first time --and neither was George Bush-- in history that this has happened. It always plays out the same.
 
NickCole said:
YThe similarities are striking. And the end result, if he becomes President, would be as similar.
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I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare Obama to Bush in any way other than his political skills. Do you really believe he's as evil, stupid and retrograde as Bush? By any measure his policy stances are not wildly different from Hillary's. I can respect your support for Hillary, Nick, but it's statements like these that overreach and undermine your credibility.
 
byro said:
So what's your point in posting this most recent poll?
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To show that when Obama is forced to reveal something real, something that is genuine about himself, voters recognize Hillary would be a better President.

But then Obama refixes his mask and people are fooled again.

I've been studying human nature a long time and am not suprised people can be fooled. What's surprising is how often people can be fooled by the same guy when he's good enough at the con. Saw it in George Bush again and again and again -- by the time people say no more, the damage is very significant.
 
In general, the primary way I think polls don't matter is in predicting the outcome of an election.
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"So what's your point in posting this most recent poll?" Byro asks.

It is simple, dear friend. If the poll looks good for Clinton, it is deeply meaningful and speaks to the soul of America. If the poll looks good for Obama, it is poll schmolls and no one cares about them and they mean nothing.
 
byro said:
I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare Obama to Bush in any way other than his political skills. Do you really believe he's as evil, stupid and retrograde as Bush? By any measure his policy stances are not wildly different from Hillary's. I can respect your support for Hillary, Nick, but it's statements like these that overreach and undermine your credibility.
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Neither Bush nor Obama has much of a political ideology or interest in solving substantive problems as public servants. That's easily determined by what each of them accomplished before running for President, which is virtually nothing.

Obama's a smart man and despite running for President for a year and participating in nearly two dozen debates, he still cannot clearly defend any of his own proposals when seriously challenged. Since he has the brains to understand it all, his vagueness reveals it doesn't matter enough to bother.

We are in serious trouble in this country. The mortgage crisis alone is going to cause all kinds of other problems. Did you see today that Citigroup is laying off 9000 employees? They posted a $5 Billion loss this week. Five BILLION. BearSterns had to be bailed out by us and JPMorgan. Obama shrugs and pretends to wipe dirt from his shoulders. Hillary Clinton has been addressing this mortgage and economic crisis for a year now, has developed plans for dealing with it and will be ready on the first day to confront it.

Obama, like Bush, is very charming and seductive but that does not solve the kinds of problems we have in our nation.
 
With Obama up by 19 points in the latest Newsweek poll, it really makes me wonder what kind of alternate universe some people are living in. This forum used to be composed of substantive political debate. Issues were raised, argued and people commented. All we have today are variations on the "who's got a bigger dick" thread, and who can cram the most insulting remarks against a fellow Democrat into one thread.

Bush and Cheney must be laughing their asses off right now.
 
Obama still sinking.

First time in a month Obama no longer leads the daily tracking poll.

Looks like American voters were watching the debate.

Whenever voters see the real Obama he sinks.



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^^ He may prevail, as George Bush did in 2000 and 2004.

But my point stands.

When the public sees the real Obama they turn back to Hillary Clinton.

Unfortunately some people let themselves be fooled again and again by the same person. We saw, with George Bush, how that turns out.
 
^^I'm so relieved someone is noticing the striking similarities between George Bush and Obama. Are you and I the only ones with a sense of déjà vu? Look at the way the country has been mobilized. Enthusiastic college kids, the educated factions of society, and even black people - are turning out to vote in droves. And we know their ebullience is not the same as the sober but earnest support we see at Hillary rallies. Watching all these new voters come out of the woodwork droning zombie-like about change is just creepy. Really, it's like watching history happen all over again. Except...

It's never happened before.

Whatever your political affinities, is it really so hard to admit that something new is happening? Regardless of the ultimate outcome? Charismatic as he is, Obama's winning support because he is peddling a fresh approach, not because he claims to turn water into wine (or even kool aid). As a fellow "student of human nature", I find the almost evangelical fervor with which you tear him down instead of talking your own candidate up more than a little suspect. Holding the other to a standard you don't hold your own smacks of projection.
 
Supernature said:
Look at the way the country has been mobilized. Enthusiastic college kids, the educated factions of society, and even black people - are turning out to vote in droves. And we know their ebullience is not the same as the sober but earnest support we see at Hillary rallies. Watching all these new voters come out of the woodwork droning zombie-like about change is just creepy. Really, it's like watching history happen all over again. Except...


It's never happened before.
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With droves of mobilized enthusiastic voters that's never happened before in the history of mankind, and him outspending Hillary nearly 3 to 1 (wonder why with all that ebullient support ...), I'm humbled to be here for the landslide he'll win over her tomorrow in Pennsylvania.

How huge a landslide do you think it'll be?
 
Think of the power in that.

Obama outspending Hillary three to one for a full month. Obama with throngs of rabid supporters, big name endorsements, and more softy air time and yet....Hillary still leads in PA?

Clearly this points to Hillary's dwindling support among the voters. Or maybe just to Obama's brilliance?

Obama is a rude, old-fashioned politician who has conned his foolish followers into believing that he is , "the outsider"...this is EXACTLY like the bush, when foolish Americans were twice conned into voting for the bad men.
Obama is a smart poltician. He saw how it worked for the bush, so he is playing his campaign on a non-issue, mean-spirited, vengeful assault on anyone who says anything uncomfortable about him. (just like the bush) Obama and his campaign continually hold the "poor me they're mean to me" bullshit up in cunning ways just like the bush did by threatening terrorism and accusing all of his opponents of being unloyal americans.

Obama is bushleft, even to the same extent that the bush didn't care about the issues of his right wingers as we discovered he made fun of them.

If Hillary is forced out of the race by obama, it will be a very sad day for America.
It will mean that the Democrats have to sunk to the lowest common denominator in politics after the lead of the bush party.
 
NickCole said:
With droves of mobilized enthusiastic voters that's never happened before in the history of mankind, and him outspending Hillary nearly 3 to 1 (wonder why with all that ebullient support ...), I'm humbled to be here for the landslide he'll win over her tomorrow in Pennsylvania.

How huge a landslide do you think it'll be?
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Oh I don't think anyone's expecting a landslide in PA, but then he's not the one who needs to win big there to make his case, is he? (*8*)
 
Random dude said:
Say whatever you want about Bush but he didn't trick people into voting for him. That's taking the responsibility off of them. They either knew what they were doing or didn't care.
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Yes he did.

He tricked people into believing he hadn't lied to get us into war, tricked people into believing the economy was healthy, tricked people into believing Kerry was an "elitist" and he wasn't. He tricked people into believing what they wanted to believe from global warming to same sex marriage, and that's what tricking people is all about: behavior and words that lets them believe what they want to believe because the truth is not nearly as appealing.

Obama is doing the same thing.

Neither Bush nor Obama invented it, and the end result is always the same.
 
Supernature said:
Oh I don't think anyone's expecting a landslide in PA, ...
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But how can that BE????

Obama is getting new voters mobilized out of the woodwork! Enthusiastic college kids, the educated factions of society, and even black people are turning out to vote in droves! Their ebullience is matched only by Obama outspending Hillary 3 to 1 in TV advertising!

With all this historic enthusiasm for Obama, how can he NOT win in a landslide in Pennsylvania????
 
Supernature said:
Oh I don't think anyone's expecting a landslide in PA, but then he's not the one who needs to win big there to make his case, is he? (*8*)
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As a voter in tomorrows PA primary, I will go out on a limb and predict that Hillary will win but by no more than 3 points. :eek:
 
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