Obama's Justice Department Wiretaps AP Phone Lines .. Both Business and Personal

[Rolyo85]

Just watched Rachel Maddow -- nothing about the 3 scandals on her show -- just bad-mouthing Bush and Nixon.

Now I know where some posters here get their ideas -- ignore the issue and talk about other things.

The right has no moral ground to ever accuse anyone of not talking about real issues.

 

[maxpowr9]

I am surprised Holder is not prison. That's all I will say on this issue.

 

[frankfrank]

Republicans have been harping on Democratic Presidents for more than 20 years now. (Remember the YEARS of Monica Lewinsky sex scandal with Bill Clinton?) More recently it was Benghazi nearly 24/7 on Fox News, though there were quite a few events much worse than Benghazi under "Dubya." For that matter, Benghazi was far from the worst international incident under Obama!

Interesting, though, when terrorists bombed two embassies in eastern Africa in August 1998 (under Clinton's watch, also) and killed hundreds of people, I don't remember that being a talking point for YEARS afterward, even after coming off the heels of the Lewinsky thing which did last for years. When I look back on that, it's more than strange that this didn't become the biggest talking point since Watergate. Of course NineOneOne was some three years away in the future yet.

The difference, with this scandal with the AP phone records, though, is that the Press has now been transformed into the sworn enemy of the Administration, the entire thing is egregious beyond belief, and this is NOT GOING AWAY anytime soon. Very few people, if anybody, can justifiably continue to accuse the Republicans of spurious, scurrilous, overblown negative coverage of a comparatively small scandal. This scandal is massive, not at all a garden-variety scandal. The freedom of the press (and thus the entire idea of democracy in the U. S.) is under severe threat, and what was done is incredibly Unconstitutional.

Thank you Obama, or whoever is involved in this - you have JUST handed over the entire Congress, including the Senate, to Republican rule in 2015 (after the Congress-elect becomes the 114th Congress).

Between this and the IRS stuff, and how the media and Republicans will treat it [justifiably so], I hope that the U. S. can avoid either absolute authoritarianism, or flat-out revolution or civil war.

Yes, true, four were killed in Benghazi, but Benghazi isn't even unusual in the scheme of things, as Administration malfeasance (not limited to any one Party) has resulted in at least one or two incidents far worse than the Benghazi events, in most years.

 

[frankfrank]

Why would the RNC want Obama's fire holder, anyway?

^^

He's abusing his power. that might be a clue.

Jack, that was one of my joke posts...

The headline just struck me as odd, because I immediately read it two different ways, one as INTENDED (which your comment reflects), and one very absurdly NOT as intended.

The entirely wrong sense of the headline made it sound like the RNC was demanding that Obama surrender his hibachi to them (or perhaps his furnace) - well, SOMETHING that is a "fire-holder" or which, therefore, holds or contains a fire...

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It reminds me when I overheard a phone conversation about 25 years ago, and my mind likewise noticed a rather absurd sense of how the words were spoken. "She died, then they sold her land." Of course - after she died, liquidating her real estate was part of the administrator's or trustee's job.

OR...COULD IT MEAN..."She died, and AFTER SHE DIED, they sold some land to her." (WHY would she want to buy land after she's dead?) For those who may not have English as a first language, that identical wording is EXACTLY how somebody would describe this more ridiculous meaning, because "her" is the same whether it's a possessive pronoun (the intended meaning), or an indirect object.

I know...I can't stay away from this goofy shit LOL.

 

[lambdaboy]

Thank you Jack Springer for this important news. Is there any way that George W can be our president again? What a travesty. How could he get away with this Bush would ever have done anything bad! Especially being the first president that said gays should be allowed to get married how terrible!!

 

[Benvolio]

What! You mean George Bush is not President? How can that be? He is fully responsible for everything that happens and no one else. He must still be President.

 

[Jack Springer]

Look for this scandal, the Benghazi sandal, and the IRS scandal to take a back seat soon --- Obama will do something to change the subject -- maybe troops in Syria? or N. Korea? Blame Holder for his troubles and ask for his resignation?

It will have to be something big.

Obama will never really accept responsibility.

 

[Benvolio]

Look for this scandal, the Benghazi sandal, and the IRS scandal to take a back seat soon --- Obama will do something to change the subject -- maybe troops in Syria? or N. Korea? Blame Holder for his troubles and ask for his resignation?

It will have to be something big.

Obama will never really accept responsibility.

The next step is for DOJ to start a criminal investigation of the IRS scandal, seize all the records and then stonewall Congressional attempts to obtain information, saying that it is the subject of an ongoing investigation. We've been down this road before.

 

[Jack Springer]

Axelrod said on MJ this morning that the government is too vast for Obama to control.

Thank you Mr. Axelrod. Let's cut the size. First cut ObamaCare.

What did the President know and when did he know it?

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[CowboyBob]

Yes, all that wiretapping is making the country too big to control.

The Affordable Care Act is law Springer, and it's not going away.

 

[rareboy]

WIrE TaPPiNg

the new Benghazi......

 

[Benvolio]

Watch the news. Obama spends his time flying around making campaign speeches and raising campaign funds-- when he is not playing golf. His a very good campaigner, so of course, that is what he enjoys doing. He has very little time, or inclination, to actually be President.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

What on earth are you talking about?

Springer is giving a excellent example of the Republican ideology. No matter what the truth is never fail to support and defend the party leaders even when they fuck up. The borg or pied piper mentality illustrated over and over again with the hardcore base. Many in the far right such as what Springer is pointing out in his post can't understand why people he thinks are hard core left would be different then the dumb shit thinking of the Republican flock.

 

[Jack Springer]

Springer is giving a excellent example of the Republican ideology. No matter what the truth is never fail to support and defend the party leaders even when they fuck up. The borg or pied piper mentality illustrated over and over again with the hardcore base. Many in the far right such as what Springer is pointing out in his post can't understand why people he thinks are hard core left would be different then the dumb shit thinking of the Republican flock.

[Text: Removed] I do not walk lock step with the republican party -- i think and talk for myself.

All anyone has to do is read the liberal crap on here -- total support of Obama -- no matter what. How many articles have you read about Benghazi or the IRS -- or do you just accept what your agenda sites tell you to accept.

 

[CowboyBob]

[Text: Removed] I do not walk lock step with the republican party -- i think and talk for myself.

All anyone has to do is read the liberal crap on here -- total support of Obama -- no matter what. How many articles have you read about Benghazi or the IRS -- or do you just accept what your agenda sites tell you to accept.

You mean "crap" like wiretapping?

I've been looking for the news reports about wiretapping but haven't found any.

 

[rareboy]

[Text: Removed] I do not walk lock step with the republican party -- i think and talk for myself.

All anyone has to do is read the liberal crap on here -- total support of Obama -- no matter what. How many articles have you read about Benghazi or the IRS -- or do you just accept what your agenda sites tell you to accept.

Oh the irony.

If some people were more careful 'thinking for themselves', they wouldn't have made such an egregious error as to suggest that the IRS was wiRe TapPing when that was not the case.

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[Jack Springer]

You like this better .... DOJ listened and recorded the private and personal phone conversations of 100 Associated Press employees.

You're done your best to derail this thread.

I would have thought that you and others would be outraged about this -- guess not, your agenda is too important to be compromised by a crooked federal government.

Start a thread about Canadians and what they think about the price of whale blubber.

 

[rareboy]

You like this better .... DOJ listened and recorded the private and personal phone conversations of 100 Associated Press employees.

You're done your best to derail this thread.

I would have thought that you and others would be outraged about this -- guess not, your agenda is too important to be compromised by a crooked federal government.

Start a thread about Canadians and what they think about the price of whale blubber.

Give us this source. It directly contradicts the information you provided in the first post.

The records obtained by the Justice Department listed outgoing calls for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, for general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and for the main number for the AP in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP. It was not clear if the records also included incoming calls or the duration of the calls.
In all, the government seized the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown, but more than 100 journalists work in the offices where phone records were targeted, on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.

So what story do you want to talk about here? The one about the DOJ obtaining phone records with the misleading thread title or the new one you are now creating with the unreferenced claim about the DOJ wiretapping conversations of AP journalists.

Oh...and most of the population of Canada lives below the 49th parallel. But we wouldn't expect you to know this given your state's record on education.

 

[Jack Springer]

Give us this source. It directly contradicts the information you provided in the first post.



So what story do you want to talk about here? The one about the DOJ obtaining phone records with the misleading thread title or the new one you are now creating with the unreferenced claim about the DOJ wiretapping conversations of AP journalists.

Oh...and most of the population of Canada lives below the 49th parallel. But we wouldn't expect you to know this given your state's record on education.

Why not start with a little inquisitive honesty and look into the matter yourself. This is a serious matter and you treat like a political debate.

Find out what you are defending.

 

[rareboy]

^ No springer. The entire burden of proof is on you as the author of this thread. Stop dodging. Give us your sources.

Don't make us have to subpoena your records.

The information in your OP says nothing about wiretapping. You are still claiming that DOJ listened in on the conversations of 100 journalists.

Just give us the source of these new 'facts'.