Obama's Winning Because He's Not White!

[noah617]

As for Barack Obama, compare his experience, his credentials, his accomplishements to John Edwards who's just a few years older. Or any other candidate comparable to him including JFK. Obama's resume is so thin it's ridiculous.

John Edwards was an accomplished trial attorney who was elected to the Senate in 1998 and ran for President in 2004. You consider that significantly more experience than Obama's?

 

[jetsonboy]

Other than learning how to smooth-talk a nation into electing him President of the United States, I don't think Mrs. Clinton needs to learn anything from Mr. Obama. How could ANYONE think an experienced public official who could be this man's MOTHER would have anything to learn from him is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Jihiro]

If that were true shouldn't Hillary be winning since she's not male?

 

[NickCole]

But you're the one always playing the race card here at JUB. You and Lance and your ilk are the ones contributing to the the division in your own party.

Talking about race isn't playing a race card.

Using racial language like Obama's "they're tryin ta hoodwink ya" or "they're tryin ta bamboozle ya," or images like the Willie Horton ads, to tap into racist emotion is using the race card.

 

[nassum]

If they were all crusty old white men, Edwards would win.

 

[MystikWizard]

She's right.

If Barack Obama were a white man with the exact same credentials, this primary wouldn't be playing out this way.

What's shocking isn't that it's true, but that almost nobody has the guts to say it out loud.






Yes I've noticed how upset Obama supporters get when the truth is spoken.

Oh, give me a break. That explains why so many Whites are supporting the Man, as well. What we call you is a "sore loser" who is upset because your Agenda (obsession) doesn't seem to be coming to fruition.

Would you care to explain why so many Women and Hispanics are voting for Hillary Clinton in such huge blocks, since you wish to play Make Believe and pretend like everyone out there is voting for her on "merit" alone?

Of course not. And you wonder why nobody takes your camp seriously. As Keith Olbermann would say, Comedian Rush Limbaugh (in this case, NickCole) is at it again.

I think soon, somebody is going to grab the choker collar for you guys and get you offstage. Your act is becoming stale.

 

[NickCole]

John Edwards was an accomplished trial attorney who was elected to the Senate in 1998 and ran for President in 2004. You consider that significantly more experience than Obama's?

That's so typical, reducing people to titles and resume headings. It's not that Edwards was "an accomplished trial attorney," it's what he accomplished as an attorney versus what Obama accomplished.

At 31 years old Edwards was handed an "unwinnable" malpractice suit by the firm he worked for. He won it. In fact he won nearly $4 million for a client with permanent brain damage from a doctor incorrectly prescribing an anti-alcoholic drug.

The next year Edwards represented a child born with cerebral palsy because a doctor hadn't performed a Caesarean when a monitor clearly showed her in distress. Not only did Edwards win a very large settlement, his winning established the precedent of doctor/hospital liability for making sure patients understand the pros and cons of a procedure. After that, his successful lawsuits led similiar ones countrywide. This is all well known and written about in legal journals.

Ten years ago he represented a lawsuit against the maker of a defective pool drain cover after a 3 year old was disemboweled by the suction of the pool drain when she sat on it. A dozen or so similar suits had been brought against the company but they'd failed and the company continued making the defective drain covers. Edwards won $25 million, again making history.

After that he ran for the Senate and served almost a full term before running for President and then Vice-President.

Edwards went to law school at the University of North Carolina, and the above is what he did with that opportunity; Obama went to Harvard Law.

What are Obama's accomplishments?

 

[seamusnewwest]

John Edwards was an accomplished trial attorney who was elected to the Senate in 1998 and ran for President in 2004. You consider that significantly more experience than Obama's?

Ummm...yeah!

But Edwards was still in his first term as a Senator, and the party had the good sense not to let a first-term Senator be its presidential candidate.

On the experience, part, I don't know what "community organizer" means with Obama. I mean, hell, we must have 200 good community organizers in my own little town of 55,000 people. Edwards, for his part, wasn't just an accomplished lawyer, he was one hell of a nationally awarded and recognized trial lawyer. In his entry into the Senate, he defeated a Republican incumbent, and that in North Carolina. And the seat went Republican again after Edwards.

By the way, I don't think Edwards has the experience to be President either. Maybe he'll get on the ticket as vice-president. I assume being vice-president is good training to become president.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards

 

[TierraSimms]

Talking about race isn't playing a race card.

Using racial language like Obama's "they're tryin ta hoodwink ya" or "they're tryin ta bamboozle ya," or images like the Willie Horton ads, to tap into racist emotion is using the race card.

You STILL grasping for straws, aren't ya? I just love listening to the delusional I really do, speak the more you say the more it SAYS about you. It is getting more pathetic by the day.

 

[MystikWizard]

You STILL grasping for straws, aren't ya? I just love listening to the delusional I really do, speak the more you say the more it SAYS about you. It is getting more pathetic by the day.

I couldn't agree more. The more he talks, the more obvious it is that the only thing he is concerned about is getting a Woman elected to the White House. It doesn't matter who, just as long as it is a Woman. This is not just what I call a Feminist, but rather a Neo-Feminist. And he is willing to go to desperate lengths to make it happen.

 

[naked gent]

^^ Musicman why does it bother you so much that blacks act like every other ethnic group when it comes to voting?

Surely you must have noticed that greeks vote for greeks, italians vote for italians and mormons vote for mormons.

And blacks vote for blacks......just like everybody else.

 

[MystikWizard]

So if Hillary was a man, you wouldn't have a problem. I am voting for her and it has nothing to do with her being a women. If that is your reason for not voting for her then you are not better than those voting for Obama because he is a man or because he is black.

MusicMan, I've given a dozen reasons why I don't support Hillary Clinton. And if you've read any of my posts at any length, I think you will come to realize that I don't discriminate, but NOR do I give anyone any preferential treatment because of such ludicrous factors.

I've said on here many times, show me another Woman candidate that has not shown the poor judgment Hillary has shown, and hasn't been involved in a dozen or so scandals ... and I would be happy to consider voting for her. Character does count with voters ... believe it or not. But the problem is that there is ONLY 1 Woman running, and it is Hillary Clinton. So I really don't have that many choices in this regard, now do I?

But I do honestly think if Hillary was a Man, there wouldn't be this obsession of her amongst HER supporters ... absolutely.

 

[NickCole]

You STILL grasping for straws, aren't ya? I just love listening to the delusional I really do, speak the more you say the more it SAYS about you. It is getting more pathetic by the day.

You can call me delusional or pathetic or any other personal insult you want, it doesn't change the truth.

You know as well as I do what Obama is saying, what people are thinking, and the effect it's having. More and more people are figuring it out. It's all over the anonymous Internet and people are talking about it behind closed doors. It's disgusting. I've heard more racist shit in the past month than I'd heard in the whole decade before from Democrats. Obama is stoking the fires of racism, and the stupid part is he's doing it by pitting blacks against white Democrats who have supported agendas that advantaged blacks for many years because we believed it was the right thing to do. I don't know who he and his followers think is going to be on your side when this is over. Republicans? The people who refuse to vote in even one black Congressperson? You're writing nasty stuff like the above to people who were on your side and have been for decades, and we're still at least half of the Democratic Party. And a lot of the young people Obama's attracking are not Democratic Party people, they're following Obama's tide of Personality -- maybe you don't know this but people who follow personality rather than principles eventually get distracted by the next glittering thing and then they're gone.

Obama's brought change all right.

 

[NickCole]

Okay, I never got from Nick that he just wanted her because she was a women, maybe I missed that post. It just seemed that your attack on him was purley because she was a women and he supports her.

Yeah I got crap here because I voted for Jesse Jackson in '88 but worked for McGovern rather than Shirley Chisholm in '72. These fools are all over the map.

In 1997 I voted for Rudy Giuliani, a Republican man who ran against Ruth Messinger, a Democratic woman. Why? Because what NYC needed was what Giuliani could do.

I vote for credentials, not parties, not race, not gender.

 

[iman]

I've said on here many times, show me another Woman candidate that has not shown the poor judgment Hillary has shown, and hasn't been involved in a dozen or so scandals ... and I would be happy to consider voting for her. Character does count with voters ... believe it or not. But the problem is that there is ONLY 1 Woman running, and it is Hillary Clinton. So I really don't have that many choices in this regard, now do I?

But I do honestly think if Hillary was a Man, there wouldn't be this obsession of her amongst HER supporters ... absolutely.

The only instance of "poor judgement" that you have pointed to is her vote to authorize the use of military in Iraq and she is joined in that instance of "poor judgement" by 76 other Senators including John Kerry who Obama campaigned for. Mrs. Clinton has never been involved in a legitimate scandal.

You have repeatedly claimed that the only reason people support her is because she is female. Since Obama has so few qualifications for the job he seeks, I can only suppose, following your logic, that you are voting for him because he is a man. Should I suppose that Obama supporters have some insecurities about their masculinity? Why else would someone be so concerned about Mrs. Clinton's gender?

 

[naked gent]

The only instance of "poor judgement" that you have pointed to is her vote to authorize the use of military in Iraq

Need another example iman.....how about stonewalling the whitewater investigation, from which they had nothing to fear, delaying it long enough for it to do some real damage to her husband's presidency.

And her acolytes around here continue to exhibit the same borderline persecution complex when they call those who won't vote for her "Hillary haters"

The attitude that anyone who disagrees with me hates me is not one that is likely to contribute to good governing.

And voting for George Bush's signature domestic program 'No Child Left Behind' is not what I would call an example of good judgement either.

 

[MystikWizard]

The only instance of "poor judgement" that you have pointed to is her vote to authorize the use of military in Iraq and she is joined in that instance of "poor judgement" by 76 other Senators including John Kerry who Obama campaigned for. Mrs. Clinton has never been involved in a legitimate scandal.

You have repeatedly claimed that the only reason people support her is because she is female. Since Obama has so few qualifications for the job he seeks, I can only suppose, following your logic, that you are voting for him because he is a man. Should I suppose that Obama supporters have some insecurities about their masculinity? Why else would someone be so concerned about Mrs. Clinton's gender?

Need another one, Iman?

Voting to label the Iranian Guard a terrorist Group.

How about another one?

How about not even bothering to read the NIE before casting that vote on Iraq? Great leadership qualities.

How about voting for the Patriot Act?

How about not being willing to release her records as First Lady, but arguing for more transparency?

How about being for supporting everyone's favorite Governor ... Elliot Spitzer's Plan to provide driver's licenses to illegal immigrants ... BEFORE she was AGAINST it?

How about taking known Felon for 10 years ... Norman Hsu's money without even bothering to investigate him, despite repeated warnings that he was a known Felon and was orchestrating a Ponzi Scheme?

So, yeah. The poor judgment label pretty much sticks, Iman. It is what it is. I know that's hard for you to accept, but you can not explain your way nor ignore all this stuff. No unbiased voter, who is truly interested in doing the right thing for the country, would just casually turn their head to all this stuff while pretending like it never happened. So that leads me to deduce that you and a handful of others are voting for Senator Clinton for other reasons. And it's pretty obvious to all what those reasons are.

 

[iman]

^Your kidding right? Whitewater? There is no evidence that Mrs. Clinton delayed the investigation and Ken Starr found no evidence to indict the Clintons. It was all a Republican Witch Hunt.

 

[MystikWizard]

^Your kidding right? Whitewater? There is no evidence that Mrs. Clinton delayed the investigation and Ken Starr found no evidence to indict the Clintons. It was all a Republican Witch Hunt.

Yep. It's all a Republican conspiracy. Where's the violin?

 

[naked gent]

^Your kidding right? Whitewater? There is no evidence that Mrs. Clinton delayed the investigation and Ken Starr found no evidence to indict the Clintons. It was all a Republican Witch Hunt.

According to Carl Bernstein bio of her she was the one who never wanted to give an inch.

And the lost billing records were hers.