Occupy Wall Street

[BostonPirate]

you're making crap up buddy.

 

[JayHawk]

SOOOOO back to the topic....

Occupy Oakland wants a bigger piece of lose than just in their own city now:

“We call for a general strike around the country, and around the world, because we know that the wealth of the 1 percent is produced by the work of the 99 percent,” said Louise Michel, one of the protest organizers, at a news conference

Amazing that are so deceived to think that the entire country will strike with them. What a foolish statement.

The unions support the strike but haven't authorized union members to actually join the strike. Offloading them Type III cargos is big bucks and of course a violation of agreed labor contracts.

The city is recalling all police officers for Wednesday... SO tomorrow is the big day....

 

[BostonPirate]

you really hate these people...lol

The democratic process and the first amendment is so inconvenient to the neo con ideology.

 

[JayHawk]

I don't hate them at all. Your the one who espouses hate in every other post. I don't see the cumulative effect getting what they desire. Just an observation. I will be fine either way.

SO how do you think the super strike will end up? Before your tirade I posted more in depth about it.

How do you see it working out?

Do the 99% show up enforce and support the OWS or does it devolve into chaos?

Oh and PLEASE do your very best to stay on the topic and the topic is not JAYHAWK... lol

 

[BostonPirate]

I will stay on you. I will even get you off before I get off you.

This is an organic grass roots movement and I do not pretend to predict where it will go next.

what I DO know is that they would go home if the GOP would raise taxes on the rich and Obama would prosecute the robber barrons of wall street that got away with crashing our economy.

Aside from that? the supreme court wont change its mind and the constitution will not be ammended to deny corporations personhood.

I don't see this ending well for any politician in office, frankly, and I think what they WILL do is foment so much anger at incumbents that we will see a startlingly new congress in 2012.

All bets are off.

 

[JayHawk]

SO throw the bums out... like in 2008, 2010 and now again in 2012?

I dont have the research time to figure out what flavor seats are up this time around but if they all flipped what happens?

Could one of you poli sci smarter than I guys throw me a bone?

Democrats are desperately trying to endorse and support their way into bed with OWS. They need an angry grassroots side just like the right.

 

[fetaby]

Sorry BP, but this has nothing to do with the Fleabaggers in Occupy Wall Street.

To quote some other fine people on CEP . . . . "you fail"

Maybe they must take the argument into directions where they can win... like arguing about scat and other such nonsense because there is really no winning OWS argument to be had.....or at least go 'see there! See there!'

Since the movement isn't totally defined, everything is really up for grabs. The comparison of one rape to another is a valid comparison. If you can't connect those dots you're being purposefully indignant.

That an American woman was put through the wringer like Tracy speaks volumes about the kinds of things the corporate world has been perpetrating for decades.

And the guy that assaulted her hasn't even been prosecuted...

Eh, it doesn't really matter at all though. There is no winning or losing an "argument" here. Just a bunch of folks putting their opinions and facts out on the table. Take from it what you will.

But I can say the reason that I support OWS is because I've seen what's at the bottom of the American totem pole. The people who are trying to raise 2 or 3 kids on minimum wage. There's no hope for those people. For these people, the American dream isn't possible.

Between poor education and an unyielding economy these are the people who have fallen into the cracks. So the question is, what should be done? Anything? Nothing?

That's more of a tea party thing though... The idea that our government shouldn't be in the position of helping these people through social programs. And that's what's been on the table from the Repubs for how long now?

But anyway, all that is really dealing with the bottom of the barrel, the lowest levels of income...
OWS is a different kind of animal.

These are the middle. That sense of entitlement you see is the realization that the American dream that was at one time available to those who worked hard and kept their nose to the grindstones is now also unattainable to them. Their noses have been on the grindstones so long they didn't even notice that the grindstone has ripped off their faces.

The American middle class is no longer a partner in capitalism. Gone are the days of doing well.

And if you don't know what all the fuss is about, if you can't figure out why these people just don't go home, the only thing that can be said to you is that you will. When the poor are tapped out, when the lower and upper middle class are tapped out, who do you think the corporations are going to suck dry next?

 

[fetaby]

I don't hate them at all. Your the one who espouses hate in every other post. I don't see the cumulative effect getting what they desire. Just an observation. I will be fine either way.

SO how do you think the super strike will end up? Before your tirade I posted more in depth about it.

How do you see it working out?

Do the 99% show up enforce and support the OWS or does it devolve into chaos?

Oh and PLEASE do your very best to stay on the topic and the topic is not JAYHAWK... lol

Even though a super strike would work, the reality is that this movement is in no way organized enough to pull one off.

I'd compare this effort to those who organize random "don't buy gas for a month" bans. They never reach the desired effect because for better or worse we are dependent.

We are dependent on what jobs and wealth is currently available. If you're living pay check to pay check, you don't take time off from work. Agreeing or disagreeing with OWS isn't even an option.

 

[fetaby]

SO throw the bums out... like in 2008, 2010 and now again in 2012?

I dont have the research time to figure out what flavor seats are up this time around but if they all flipped what happens?

Could one of you poli sci smarter than I guys throw me a bone?

Democrats are desperately trying to endorse and support their way into bed with OWS. They need an angry grassroots side just like the right.

Romney in the WH. A (R) senate, and a (D) House... And with the (D)'s track record of caving to any kind of pressure put on by the right big, business as usual.

Either way they're both fucking the 99% in the ass without lube, the only difference is that Democrats pretend to care that it hurts.

 

[Kulindahr]

Your the one who espouses hate in every other post.

WTF?

I just ran back through the last three pages, and I can't find anything resembling hate in any of BP's posts. Yours, on the other hand, ooze with insult and teem with derogatory remarks.

I don't understand you lately, at all -- you seem to have become spiteful and bitter.

 

[JB3]

I would submit that the reason you grade assignments is because you cannot trust that the students actually did what you asked them to do. And you conduct tests because you cannot trust that the students will learn the material without verification and the threat of punishment. And I'm sure you're correct about that.

Uh no. A test is never used as a 'threat of punishment'. It is a verification and evaluation of learning, and that's it. Same goes for homework or graded assignments. Teachers don't give their students tests because they don't trust that they've learned the material, they give them tests for precisely the opposite reason: They trust that the students have learned it, and want to verify. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but that doesn't make it right.

 

[Kulindahr]

This is an organic grass roots movement and I do not pretend to predict where it will go next.

what I DO know is that they would go home if the GOP would raise taxes on the rich and Obama would prosecute the robber barrons of wall street that got away with crashing our economy.

Aside from that? the supreme court wont change its mind and the constitution will not be ammended to deny corporations personhood.

I don't see this ending well for any politician in office, frankly, and I think what they WILL do is foment so much anger at incumbents that we will see a startlingly new congress in 2012.

All bets are off.

That's the tragedy, because that's one of the handful of things that are essential to fixing the country. Really, though, the corporations can keep their personhood in everything except anything that impinges on politics -- no donations to politicians, parties, PACs, or any other outfit involved in politics, and no employees or contracted employees paid to engage in any political activities.

I think such an amendment could be pulled off. The first step is to demonstrate, in 2012, that there's enough anger to dump ALL the incumbents... or at least 90% of them. Then demand the amendment... or it happens again.

And meanwhile, get Glass-Steagall back, with more teeth, and write into law that any company too big to fail that asks for government help gets cut into bits not too big to fail.

 

[Kulindahr]

Uh no. A test is never used as a 'threat of punishment'. It is a verification and evaluation of learning, and that's it. Same goes for homework or graded assignments. Teachers don't give their students tests because they don't trust that they've learned the material, they give them tests for precisely the opposite reason: They trust that the students have learned it, and want to verify. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but that doesn't make it right.

This is ludicrous.

I never, ever gave a test because I "trust[ed] that the students [had] learned it" -- I gave tests to find out if they had. I trusted about a third to have done their best to learn it, another third to have given it a shot, and another third to have done... something.

It only takes the results of one test to destroy any fantasy that students can be trusted to learn something -- even when it's a class that should get them an $8/hr better job for the summer.

 

[fetaby]

http://youtu.be/cZ7LzE3u7Bw

 

[jackoroe]

There's no doubt that homeless people (and their public crimes) and others who struggle with addiction are a feature of some of the Occupations.

I wish we had better answers for the problems of homelessness and addiction. It's tough stuff, though, isn't it? Makes you wish for a simple solution....

You are merely stereotyping OWS as rapists and drug addicts, though. If you met us in person, you would certainly agree that many of us here on JUB are...nice people.

If you don't want to be judged by the company you keep, get them out. Your group has decided to not involve the authorities, but to maintain their own order. How's that working out given the incidents of violence and theft?

OWS has a couple of decent ideas that pretty much everybody agrees with. Problem is your in the wrong place. You need to be at K Street in DC.

 

[BostonPirate]

they intend on trying to kill K street, not participate in it.

Thats why the institutional politico's are having such a hard time with this.

You guys can't envision a world not controlled by corporate america...

Those young people can't bear to imagine a future in which it continues.

 

[Kulindahr]

they intend on trying to kill K street, not participate in it.

Thats why the institutional politico's are having such a hard time with this.

You guys can't envision a world not controlled by corporate america...

Those young people can't bear to imagine a future in which it continues.

Thomas Jefferson hated giant corporations, so he'd be right with them. For my part, most days I wouldn't object if the federal government decided to break up any corporation with over ten thousand employees.

 

[White Eagle]

Let us get this very fucking straight. BOA is cancelling their 5 dollar fee because people are using the tools of CAPITALISM AND WALKING AWAY. No customers means no corporation.

I understand your situation, however BOA understands the OWS. People are taking their money out of the bank, which will not break the bank, but it makes the point we are pissed off. No customers means no corporation, it won't be missed.

 

[White Eagle]

Just happened tom find another incident where a poor young woman was raped and robbed in Baltimore at the protest. The OWS "security" didn't do anything to help her. She's calling the protest dangerous and asking that it be shut down as it has in other cities. The footage includes evidence of narcotics abuse by these protestors as well. Nice people!

http://townhall.com/video/rape-victim-at-occupy-baltimore-wants-protest-stopped

Yeah, this is one of those classic Fox5 sites. I click on the link and immediately an ad for Cain's book pops up. There is no proof that this girl even got raped. come up with a more reliable cite and I might believe it.
There is no proof that if she was raped, it was done by a OWS protester.
Nothing here, next.

 

[BostonPirate]

K street is where the money exchanges hands.. it is where the majority of the lobbyist have offices in DC.

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/

it's where business shops for politicians to buy.