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[kallipolis]

The OP is making it known that he is offended by an inappropriate display of the American flag. He points to the fact that he served as a basis for his being offended. He is permitted to make his point and we can accept it or not.

As to JUB, we have no prohibition on an improper display of the flag. It may offend some, but we won't be changing it or demanding that it be changed.

No one is disputing the right, of the OP to express his opinion, that he is offended.

I am confronting the OPs self allocated right to judge the respective poster, using the upturned American flag in his avatar, as unpatriotic.

Here lies a world of difference, between expressing ones feelings on being offended, and then choosing to dispute another poster's patriotic values, as a result of that poster's choice to use an upturned American flag in his avatar.

I repeat we are discussing freedom of expression, and not over sensitive feelings.

 

[Telstra]

any symbol that don't harm you personality is NOT offensive.
I don't find any upside down flags offensive, so its nurture hey.

It is as stupid as finding cartoons of prophet Muhammad offensive.

 

[bankside]

I find it offensive that military service is suggested as a prerequisite for "truly" understanding patriotism, symbolism, or love of freedom.

If soldiers have a country in whose service it is noble to lay down one's life, if soldiers have a country worth fighting for, it is because of poets, teachers, dissidents, artists, protestors, civilians who just wake up every morning and do the best for their countries with generosity, integrity, and love of country that is the equal of any soldier.

And the apostrophe chafes my arse too.

BTW, who woke up thinking they're entitled to not be offended? I missed that memo.

And last but not least, I still haven't seen "the avatar of shame."

Oh and we'll quote this for truth too:

he definitly lost me when started yelling about how people wouldnt understand BECAUSE THEYRE NOT AMERICAN!!! well, if theyre not american, then they have another nationality, which comes with its own flag. i think we all have a valid perspective on flags; americans dont have a monopoly on flags, or patriotism.

 

[gsdx]

Just because someone has the right (constitutionally) to do something, doesn't mean, out of respect, that they should do it.

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Flags are symbols. To many they are JUST symbols, but to others they represent all that one of their family members fought and died for. That deserves respect. I think so anyway.

Indeed.

Fly it upside down or turn a National Symbol for all into a recreational symbol for some.

Virtually from the moment I joined the internet and discovered forums, I've read how the maple leaf on the Canadian flag looks like a marijuana leaf, so why not make one and sell it for profit?

Double disrespect right there.

 

[alfaPA]

It is apparent that some of us find the “America! fuck yeah!” attitude a sort of humorous parody of misguided blind patriotism. Then there are those who take that attitude as their gospel. I find that most disturbing.

“I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves … too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: ‘Our country, right or wrong!’ They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: ‘Our country—when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.’”
Senator Carl Schurz October 17, 1899

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[Corny]

i'm offended by people who are offended because of silly shit like this ..

and how you treat your flag is hypocritical anyway, but enough others have pointed it out already.

 

[CowboyBob]

Being offended by something like an upside down flag avatar at a gay porn site shows some people have too much time on their hands. Go and look at the pictures of the nekkid guys instead.

 

[chrisrobin]

know what your talking about and agree completely.

Steven.

Yours! (Just kidding.) I'm a Blackhawks fan.

 

[LittleDove]

Someone displaying the flag upsidedown must surely seem like a slap in the face ...

I don't think "seem" has anything to do with it. In this case, I think it's pretty calculated to offend, given the person's history, both with this ID, and the previous one, if I've made the right connexion. If so, expect things to continue as they are, or to be ramped up over time.

Visually, it's the fastest way to get someone's attention and prompt them to ask the question "Why is your flag upsidedown" (has anyone actually asked the member concerned???).

I don't think it's calculated to do anything other than get peoples' panties in a twist.

Couple of questions:

1. Are user-names recyclable? If someone has "left the building", whether through self-deleting, being deleted by an admin, or was carried out kicking and screaming and unceremoniously dumped on the kerb, is it possible for someone else, or even for the same person, to come in at a later time, and register under that previously used name?

2. Wasn't the OP (the "offending person"; not the "original poster") escorted off the premises some while back for various and sundry and cumulative offensive behaviours -- while using the same or a very similar user-name? Or is this a result of the accidental, inadvertent, or intentional mass-dump of the banned list which occurred between the time the first ID was put a stop to here and the time the second was established?

Sorry, I realise that a third question snuck in there, but I was never all that good with numbers, and it seem like too much of an effort to go back and change the "couple" to "few".

 

[HunterM]

The only offensive thing on this site are SLOPPYSECONDS' mind-numbingly cancerous posts that rape my eyes every so often as I innocently wander through a topic. His posts make me want to start huffing glue.

True that! It's like a roadside accident...yet I can't look away...and fall for it every time. I often tried to decifer by reading it a few times. It remains one of life's unsolved mysteries. I shoud have given up a long time ago!

Well honestly... how else do you hope to understand them?

Back on topic: This is a porn site. Take it with a grain of salt. If it were LinkedIn or any career networking site, then "YES"...a lot of avatars here are offensive!!!

 

[Knucklehead]

I'm a veteran and I don't get offended at people that fly the flag upside down.It means distress.Many people,myself iuncluded,feel the country is in great distress.

Part of being a patriotic American like me is that you respect the right of others to dissent against their government..For some folks, that may mean protesting,others register people to vote on rigged Diebold machines,some folks write strongly worded letters to their local paper like my Dad does.Others fly the flag upside down..

Freedom means even those you disagree with get to say their piece,or in this case fly the flag any way they please.(see 1st ammendment).I think the OP confuses belligerent nationalism with patriotism..Big difference..

 

[bankside]

Oh please, you can apply the condition to my clothes easily.

Mt country's flag is the exact upside-down of Monaco's flag, but people in my country will burn you if you're not a Monaco embassy and you hang it upside-down for:
1). You may be disrespecting Indonesia.
2). You may be a Monaco colonist trying to set foot on my country.
3). You're trying to set two countries into quarreling.

Easily said.

If you want to speak about offensive, then dick pics, fucking pics, and sexual pics are also offensive. But again, we're in a porn forum, so the ethics are pretty much distorted.

Many things can be considered offensive but alas, there are no down-to-earth, clear guidelines in setting what is offensive and what is not.

btw, i think well-made porn is 100% compatible with strong ethics.

 

[torontoboy92]

I understand the offense it brings. I saw it just tonight for the first time, and I was like "Seriously...".

That being said: I do believe that the right to fly the flag in protest is a right that needs to be respected and protected.
Several of my family members have served (most recently in the 20th century being WW2, Korea, Vietnam, & O.D.S) and Yes, when I see this, and stuff like Westboro it pisses me off, but as others have said, we MUST remember that the reason we fight and have fought in our nation's history is for freedom, and sometimes the best examples of it working is that people are free to show their protest towards the government or the nation in one manor or another, and there not being the censoring of them.

That's just my opinion...

 

[quasar]

I don't think "seem" has anything to do with it. In this case, I think it's pretty calculated to offend, given the person's history, both with this ID, and the previous one, if I've made the right connexion. If so, expect things to continue as they are, or to be ramped up over time....

I don't think it's calculated to do anything other than get peoples' panties in a twist.

Ah, but I wasn't discussing the motives of the 'offending' member, I was trying to help other members understand why certain people (not limited to JUBbers) may be offended.

Couple of questions:

1. Are user-names recyclable? If someone has "left the building", whether through self-deleting, being deleted by an admin, or was carried out kicking and screaming and unceremoniously dumped on the kerb, is it possible for someone else, or even for the same person, to come in at a later time, and register under that previously used name?

People that have self-deletd HAVE returned using their original username, however that has to be organised via support. All usernames of deleted and banned users remain unavailable unless they are released for use again (for the above purpose).

2. Wasn't the OP (the "offending person"; not the "original poster") escorted off the premises some while back for various and sundry and cumulative offensive behaviours -- while using the same or a very similar user-name? Or is this a result of the accidental, inadvertent, or intentional mass-dump of the banned list which occurred between the time the first ID was put a stop to here and the time the second was established?

No. Their record here is blemish free. They simply stayed away for a while. And 'No' again.

 

[blackbeltninja]

I find it offensive that military service is suggested as a prerequisite for "truly" understanding patriotism, symbolism, or love of freedom.

If soldiers have a country in whose service it is noble to lay down one's life, if soldiers have a country worth fighting for, it is because of poets, teachers, dissidents, artists, protestors, civilians who just wake up every morning and do the best for their countries with generosity, integrity, and love of country that is the equal of any soldier.

And the apostrophe chafes my arse too.

BTW, who woke up thinking they're entitled to not be offended? I missed that memo.

Agreed in full; and well-put by you, sir.

-d-

 

[Jayden]

Ah, but I wasn't discussing the motives of the 'offending' member, I was trying to help other members understand why certain people (not limited to JUBbers) may be offended.
People that have self-deletd HAVE returned using their original username, however that has to be organised via support. All usernames of deleted and banned users remain unavailable unless they are released for use again (for the above purpose).

No. Their record here is blemish free. They simply stayed away for a while. And 'No' again.

Said troll was here before with the word 'fucking' in their screen name. I noticed that they removed that from their screen name. I have once again put said troll back on ignore with their new screen name.

Said troll never has anything positive to add to any thread etc. I think the only reason some trolls join is to just stir shit up. I have no need for any of them so they go on ignore. If the trolls bother you then simply send them to the island of ignore.

 

[gsdx]

I use Firefox as a browser and I was directed to a marvellous little Add-On called 'My Image Here. With a couple of clicks of the mouse, I can replace any image I want with an image of my choosing. It's wonderful for replacing avatars I don't care to look at.

If you use Firefox and find the occasional avatar offensive, this will come in very handy, I'm sure: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3811/