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**Official Final Debate Thread**

MCsNo1Fn said:
They both did. They both said the same EXACT things they said LAST debate.
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I meant things like where McCain sat there with his painted smile on his face while Obama listed the points of his health plan -- and practically quoted off McCain's own policy statements -- and then turns around and flat out lies about the stuff that was just said!

He sounds senile, wandering from topic to topic, mantra to mantra, cliche to cliche, throwing in some words that sound like they have something to do with the topic, then smiling like he actually said something.
 
smelter said:
Maybe its just me but I have a hard time feeling sorry for a plumber who makes $250,000 a year. There is only one thing you need to know to be a plumber ..... water and shit flow downhill.
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Having done a lot of plumbing -- I wish it were that simple!


OTOH, I wish that some contractors building new places would remember it....
 
^ Oh that was just another one of McCain's senior moments.
 
Cher said:
Sorry. But I think that his ethnicity will play a huge part in him loosing votes from the Democratic party.
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I don't know about a "huge" part but it's undoubtedly true it plays a part.

It's also true that his being black has played a part in him winning votes.

Do you think it's okay one way and wrong the other, wrong both ways or okay both ways?
 
Don't know who won..but Obama looked weak. His stammering can be irritating
 
^ All, or almost all, the flash polls taken immediately after the debate and the TV voter panels found that Obama won by a significant margin. True even of the Fox News voter panel.

And, while the flash polls aren't as reliable as those taken later, in the first two debates the later polling did, for the most part, confirm that the flash polls were accurate.

I didn't notice that Obama stuttered excessively and, like the flash polls, I thought Obama won easily.
 
Some people are very impressed with polls and crowds.

And some people know that a bunch of people saying something doesn't mean it's true and a bunch of people doing something doesn't mean it's smart.
 
Tactless? It was very tactical in my mind. I have a feeling, when all is said and done, that McCain got everything he could've out of that debate. We'll see if it was enough.

Lex
 
I don't think either of them won, per se.

McCain, who needed it, came off well in my opinion. More on his game than in previous debates.

But so much of how these things go at this point in the campaign is what turns undecideds on or off, which is very hard to measure except for oneself.

The flash polls are meaningless; it's too small a sampling of an impossibly diverse group.
 
NickCole said:
I don't think either of them won, per se.

McCain, who needed it, came off well in my opinion. More on his game than in previous debates.

But so much of how these things go at this point in the campaign is what turns undecideds on or off, which is very hard to measure except for oneself.

The flash polls are meaningless; it's too small a sampling of an impossibly diverse group.
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You thought McCain did well. I thought he was crap, determined to be theatrically angry, eye rolling, dry mouthing, rote reciting and inarticulate by turns, petulant about John Lewis, deer-in-the-head-lights about Obama's zero health care fine, etc., etc.

It's true that the flash polls are based on a small sampling. But that doesn't mean they're meaningless. With all their shortcomings, they have some statistical and objective significance. In the previous debates, they proved good predictors of subsequent voter opinion.
 
McCain did his best in this final debate,but he's so focused on attacking Obama,it might show bad impression to the independent.Overall Obama wins because he stayed cool,and this debate is the best debate that I know of.Since they jib jab at each other and we could excruciatingly see McCain's smile for 1 and half hours LOL:badgrin::badgrin:[-X
 
future_boy said:
McCain did his best in this final debate,but he's so focused on attacking Obama,it might show bad impression to the independent.Overall Obama wins because he stayed cool,and this debate is the best debate that I know of.Since they jib jab at each other and we could excruciatingly see McCain's smile for 1 and half hours LOL:badgrin::badgrin:[-X
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We don't all process the same images the same way.

Assuming that an undecided voter is going to see Obama's smiles and temperament, and McCain's smiles and temperament, the same way you do is not very realistic.
 
I love the way Obama schooled McCain on the abortion side of the debate. I don't think McCain was prepared for such a nuanced and common sense response.

Also, I want to know what it is that Gov. Palin knows about autism, given that her newborn is a Downs Syndrome child? I'm willing to bet, if asked, that she knows little to nothing about.

And key for me, it seemed as if Obama understood McCain's plans better than McCain understood Obama's or even his own, and played a smart defense with that knowledge.
 
Shafted said:
I love the way Obama schooled McCain on the abortion side of the debate. I don't think McCain was prepared for such a nuanced and common sense response.

Also, I want to know what it is that Gov. Palin knows about autism, given that her newborn is a Downs Syndrome child? I'm willing to bet, if asked, that she knows little to nothing about.

And key for me, it seemed as if Obama understood McCain's plans better than McCain understood Obama's or even his own, and played a smart defense with that knowledge.
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That's the bad thing when you're smarter than the average American (McCain) but not smarter than Obama. Obama could run circles around McCain mentally and you saw that last night.

Hillary learned the lesson in the debates the hard way when the crowd started booing her. Hillary had to resort to saying Obama plagiarized one of his own campaign's strategists, Deval Patrick.

By the way, people neglect to mention the other special ed member in Sarah Palin's family... her husband. Have you heard him talk?
 
Well, I haven't heard him speak, but I do find his influence and involvement in the office of the Governor in Alaska to be somewhat shady. In any case, it seems as though there's some kind of disconnect between Palin and McCain. She didn't know he pulled out of Michigan, and he (if he was addressing her child) didn't know Trig was a Downs Syndrome child.

Poor communication I suppose.

On topic, I wonder how many women he lost with the "health of the mother" red herring inference. That was just stupid and inconsiderate of him. Obama completely cleared the air on that partial birth vote and I appreciate him making it clear that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.
I would hate to be the doctor forced by the State or federal government to preserve the life of an unborn when the health of the mother is in jeopardy, and she has no choice in the matter.
It's a case of "tough shit" for the children, husband, parents, and siblings she may leave behind, possibly against her will.

In regards to Supreme Court appointments, I'm pretty sure that McCain stated at the Saddleback Church sit-down that he would appoint judges with the intended goal of overturning Roe v. Wade, particularly Scalia and Alito (Scalito?). Last night, he even said Roe v. Wade was a bad decision.
 
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