Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

Anyway, the word 'pedophile' has more that a couple well published/used legal definitions.

For example: "Some forensic science texts, such as Holmes (2008) use the term to refer to a class of psychological offender typologies that target child victims, even when such children are not the primary sexual interest of the offender."

That person is a predator because they are specifically going after children because they see them as prey.

As usual, it is imposable to get everyone to agree to use only one definition. Here, for this topic, the targeting of defenseless male infants, the exposing their genitals, etc. is near enough to pedophile activity for Jack's comments/accusations to not bother me in the least. If this activity is not pedophilia, it is right on the brink of it - too close for comfort.

They are not "targeting" them because they are defenseless male infants, they are "targeting" them to perform a circumcision. There is a difference between that and the example you gave.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Here's another primitive ritual of a man drinking a young person.


But don't open this link if you like taking offence—

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...licked-its-blood/story-fni0xs63-1226819123630

 

[xbuzzerx]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

This 'audience' business, to expose a child's genitals for onlookers and make it the centerpiece of a party, is sick right from the start - even without the cutting and sucking.

But, I'll bet if Catholics were told they'd be excommunicated if they didn't watch priests molest their children, they do it. Probably a good many of them would get off on it. How many Catholics defend child-molesting priests, or at least want outsiders to mind their own business, do you suppose?

Here I'm just going to make up a series of suppositions on the spot to support my weak position.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

This 'audience' business, to expose a child's genitals for onlookers and make it the centerpiece of a party, is sick right from the start...

How do you feel about those farm villages in Europe and the Middle east when the wedding guests hang around the honeymoon door to witness the showing of the sheet.

The bloodied sheet is made the centre of the villagers' celebration of new birth and the new harvest.

 

[Kahaih]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

How do you feel about those farm villages in Europe and the Middle east when the wedding guests hang around the honeymoon door to witness the showing of the sheet.

The bloodied sheet is made the centre of the villagers' celebration of new birth and the new harvest.

Not keen.

But, I'm assuming (hoping) those are consenting adults, right?

Does anyone suck the blood (and stuff) from the sheets, or would that be considered sick?

 

[pat grimshaw]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

Not keen.

But, I'm assuming (hoping) those are consenting adults, right?

Does anyone suck the blood (and stuff) from the sheets, or would that be considered sick?

No I'm not keen either. I haven't actually witnessed it myself but my country has SO many Yugoslavians and Lebanese and Turkish. They're the sort who take their 14 year old son to the village prostitute to learn about sex. So I imagine the kids would be there to witness the great blooding of the sheets. It like the all those tribal people who sacrifice an animal or a virgin to appease the gods to get a good crop of wheat so they can eat in the coming year.

The blood is a joyful thing and I imagine that someone like Schmuel Kamenetsky would see the blood as a sign of the villagers piety.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

They're the sort who... So I imagine ...and I imagine that ...

Yes. That pretty much sums up your post.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

^ I'm honest. I'm no Hollywood big-talking braggart.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/braggadocio

 

[xbuzzerx]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

^ I'm honest. I'm no Hollywood big-talking braggart.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/braggadocio

Simply pointing out you're making up loose comparisons and loose correlations and implying causality-- that seems to be your theme for this week. Nothing you've offered is proof of anything, it's a heap of speculations and characterizations of different cultures with different practices you don't understand and lumping them all under some common explanation filled with 'the sort who..' and "I imagine that.."s. It's worthless.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

...speculations ...different cultures with different practices...

We're on the fifth page speculating about rabbis sucking a penis.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

We're on the fifth page speculating about rabbis sucking a penis.

Wrong as usual. We're on the fifth page of people baselessly speculating, with no experience or knowledge with the tradition and no familiarity with its context, that it is pedophilia. Which requires us to accept that public pedophilia has been going on for thousands of years in the public eye and no one happened to notice until some self-appointed witch hunter child abuse experts bumbled upon this story on a gay porn site.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

^
Is that last sentence talking about the OP, Spectating Loner of New York?

 

[xbuzzerx]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

^
Is that last sentence talking about the OP, Spectating Loner of New York?

It's referring to the people who leapt into this thread with their flaming sword and crusader zealot armor on insisting this was pedophilia.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

...public pedophilia has been going on for thousands of years in the public eye ...

I'm not sure what this relates to. The Metzitza B'peh?

 

[xbuzzerx]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

I'm not sure what this relates to. The Metzitza B'peh?

Why are you asking me? It isn't my assertion that this is pedophilia. Ask the crusaders.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

I'm surprised no one has taken offence at #236 yet.

 

[Jack Springer]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

I might defend myself against the latter part of your smear if the former bit were proven.

So we'll just agree that you think sucking an infant's penis is OK and I think it's an abomination.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: New York Baby Infected With Herpes After Metzitza B'peh Circumcision Rite

No, you're one of many in JUB when they can't defend their position resort to personal attacks and ignore the focus of the thread.

So we'll just agree that you think sucking an infant's penis is OK and I think it's an abomination.

Just going to keep quoting this as a reminder.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Here's another primitive practice—




Female genital mutilation involves partial or total removal of the external female genitalia.

24,000 girls are at risk in the UK, with 140 million affected worldwide.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+theGuardian/posts/hAmiiEa5Gs8

 

[RaKroma]

Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

Rochester, MN - A new report by the prestigious Mayo Clinic states that conclusions by Australian and U.S. researchers has determined that the benefits of infant male circumcision outweigh the risks by over 100 to 1.

Dr. Brian Morris, a professor emeritus in the School of Medical Sciences at the University of Sydney, in Sydney, Australia, along with colleagues in Florida and Minnesota in the U.S., found that 50% of all uncircumcised males will contract an adverse medical condition caused by their uncircumcised foreskin during their lifetime. The study also found that the rate of circumcision among U.S. men has increased from 79 to 81 percent over the last ten years.

Dr. Morris said that, due to the study’s findings, medical professionals, health insurers, and policy makers should now be viewing infant male circumcision the same way they do childhood vaccinations.
Morris said, “The new findings now show that infant circumcision should be regarded as equivalent to childhood vaccination and that as such it would be unethical not to routinely offer parents circumcision for their baby boy. Delay puts the child’s health at risk and will usually mean it will never happen.” http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(14)00036-6/fulltext

The foreskin advocates have been distorting all scientific evidence for their cause. They have been saying that it is dangerous, not beneficial and on the decline in the U.S. But this latest evidence not only contradicts what we've been led to believe but equates infant circumcision to vaccination. At this point the foreskin activists will sound like the Tea Party global warming science deniers.