Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[Keeland]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

Of course the study does not specify who paid for it. More than likely those screaming to end circumcision.

Anyway, the study seems quite suspect.

Follow the chain of links beginning with that in the original post.

The study's authors are listed in the abstracts (the original and the updated) which include a link to the full study and an email address.

Morten Frisch1,2⇑
Jacob Simonsen1

1Department of Epidemiology Research, Division of National Health Surveillance and Research, Statens Serum Institut, Damien Kyle-2300 Copenhagen S, Denmark
2Department of Clinical Medicine, Center for Sexology Research, Aalborg University, Damien Kyle-9000 Aalborg, Denmark

Morten Frisch. Email: mfr{at}ssi.Damien Kyle

 

[Willie Boy]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

The study's authors are listed in the abstracts (the original and the updated) which include a link to the full study and an email address.

The authors yes, but not who actually paid for it to be done. One can easily tell the bias of the study when the person/group behind it is uncovered.

 

[LittleDove]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

It is nonsense.

I come from a generation where 90% of us had part of out dick meat sliced off by a Mohel wannabe and there was no such thing as autism. Period. The statistical incidence was almost non-existent.

Now every baby boy seems to be born with a peanut allergy and Asperger's.

What the fuck?

Were this study 'true', then the US in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, should have been the heyday of autism, with it running rampant, with a 90+% circumcision rate. After that point, the rate of autism in the population should have declined.

As far as the claims about the trauma and stress of circumcision, it should be kept in mind that the process of birth itself is grossly more stressful and perhaps traumatic to the infant being born.

As for things like the tremendous rise in allergies to peanuts and the like, there are some things suggesting it may be induced. Comparisons of countries where pregnant and nursing mothers, and infants and small children, are told to avoid peanuts with those where there is no such general advice given show minimal amounts of actual allergy in places where that advice is not given and or followed as opposed to those where it is given and followed.

 

[KaraBulut]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

The authors yes, but not who actually paid for it to be done. One can easily tell the bias of the study when the person/group behind it is uncovered.

It was funded by Statens Serum Institut which is a reputable public health organization that is part of the Danish public health system.

The primary author of the study, Morten Frisch, is..um.. rather controversial. He's the same researcher who has published several studies about same-sex marriage. One of his studies found that same-sex marriage between women results in a shorter lifespan. A later study found that it increased longevity in men. He also found that men who married other men were more like to have older mothers, divorced parents, absent fathers, and being the youngest child in the family.

I have a collection of his...um... rather eccentric studies. I would post a clip of one of his...um... presentations but he seems to have a predilection for showing children's genitalia in all his presentations.

 

[sixthson]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

How do they explain autism in girls then?

 

[NotHardUp1]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

This adds new meaning(lessness) to "for fuck's sake!"

 

[sixthson]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

He also found that men who married other men were more like to have older mothers, divorced parents, absent fathers, and being the youngest child in the family.

Had I know this, I could have been straight all this time.

 

[Willie Boy]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

It was funded by Statens Serum Institut which is a reputable public health organization that is part of the Danish public health system.

The primary author of the study, Morten Frisch, is..um.. rather controversial. He's the same researcher who has published several studies about same-sex marriage. One of his studies found that same-sex marriage between women results in a shorter lifespan. A later study found that it increased longevity in men. He also found that men who married other men were more like to have older mothers, divorced parents, absent fathers, and being the youngest child in the family.

I have a collection of his...um... rather eccentric studies. I would post a clip of one of his...um... presentations but he seems to have a predilection for showing children's genitalia in all his presentations.

Then why'd they hire such a quack?

 

[LeicsDom]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

It might have something to do with that excruciating pain infants go through when part of their penis is cut off without any anesthetic.

Yes that's the way i read it
Although it is mentioned I don't think they highlight enough that they seem to be linking the liklihood of autism with UNANAETHETISED circumcism, something that I would hope has been banned for a long time
I remember being in hospital when I was 12 and a lad across the ward was getting cut. They did it under a general anaesthetic

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

wonda wot a planet UNI world ova study wen planes a earth or (pysco ward )<fa aliens ons day trips - gons a dead?

anyway

tinku

 

[Benvolio]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

It really demonstrates that you can do a study which shows whatever you want. In the health area it is creating a great deal of confusion about which foods, supplements, activities, etc. are safe or dangerous.

 

[KaraBulut]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

Then why'd they hire such a quack?

He's credentialed. I believe he has a PhD. However, not all PhD's do good research. His research is a pretty good example of the same type of inductive reasoning that evangelicals use in their "research" to support their causes. His lectures remind me of anti-abortion researchers who have a fondness for displaying products of conception in their lectures.

...they seem to be linking the liklihood of autism with UNANAETHETISED circumcism, something that I would hope has been banned for a long time...

One thing that didn't make sense about his conclusion is that, with the exception of a few third world countries, the procedure is done at the minimum under a local anesthetic and- for adults- under a general anesthetic.

If you do a web search on peer reviews of the research, the consistent criticism is that Dr. Frisch takes findings and extends them with conclusions that aren't in the premise of the study. For example, I could study people who drive sports cars and I could conclude that they are more likely to speed based upon research. However, I could not speculate in the findings to say that they drive sports cars because they have small penises. Why? Because I wasn't measuring their penises; my study was designed to measure the speed of their cars.

In Frisch's "presentations", he makes it clear that he's anti-circumcision. His bias makes for weird and poorly designed studies, mostly because he's trying to design studies to find the conclusion that he already started with.

What is also troubling is that he didn't study any country other than Denmark (which has an unusually high rate of autism). Of the countries who report autism rates, only two countries in the top 10 countries also have high rates of circumcision.

 

[gsdx]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

Autism is a brain development disorder. It has nothing whatsoever to so with lobbing off a foreskin. Nobody knows what causes it, but the main cause appears to be genetic. Nobody knew the causes when I studied it in university 45 years ago and they still don't. This isn't just from my head. It's from the Autism Society website.

The idiots in the article don't know anything about autism if they think circumcision is the cause.

Oh, and Morten Frisch, the guy who did the study, is an epidemiologist!!!

 

[LeicsDom]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

Oh, and Morten Frisch, the guy who did the study, is an epidemiologist!!!

Thanks for pointing that out
Why on earth should he be researching non-epidemic ideas???

 

[KaraBulut]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

Thanks for pointing that out
Why on earth should he be researching non-epidemic ideas???

It's a bit of a misnomer. Epidemiology is a branch of public health studies disease patterns, of which epidemics and pandemics are one example. Economists also do similar pattern studies of societal patterns even though they are not considered sociologists.

 

[Willie Boy]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

He's credentialed. I believe he has a PhD. However, not all PhD's do good research. His research is a pretty good example of the same type of inductive reasoning that evangelicals use in their "research" to support their causes. His lectures remind me of anti-abortion researchers who have a fondness for displaying products of conception in their lectures.

And Trump is running for president. Doesn't mean he should be a candidate.......

 

[gsdx]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

It's a bit of a misnomer. Epidemiology is a branch of public health studies disease patterns

Still, autism is not a disease. Unless he can prove that circumcision causes brain lesions, he shouldn't be studying it or making such reports and claims.

 

[KaraBulut]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

And Trump is running for president. Doesn't mean he should be a candidate.......

Which subject is responsible for this freudian slip- circumcision or autism?

Still, autism is not a disease. Unless he can prove that circumcision causes brain lesions, he shouldn't be studying it or making such reports and claims.

There are those who distinguish between disorders and diseases- disorders said to be intrinsic and diseases considered extrinsic. However, no one calls heart disease to be heart disorder.

We continue to look for causes, treatment and preventative measures for both diseases and disorders. Good research is what helps us find treatment and prevention tactics, so autism is a valid subject for researchers. Just maybe not this researcher.

 

[Telstra]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

From medical point of view,
is it better to circumcise when you are an older and have problems with foreskin or when you are a baby ?

 

[peeonme]

Re: Study links autism with circumcision

You don't have to do a study and try to prove side effects to make the case for a male to have control over his own body.