Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[NotHardUp1]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

It's tragic that he killed himself.

Circumcision is an outlier in the story. No one would surmise that it leads to suicide.

 

[sixthson]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

From the language he used, I would say he has either been talking to mental health professionals or reading anti-circumcision materials (I suspect the latter) and it convinced him that he was a victim. He used the word several times, in fact. The victim mentality is probably the bigger issue for him. I didn't listen to the entire video, but unless I am mistaken, he doesn't remember the procedure and the article says he was 14 when it happened. That is highly unlikely that he would not remember something like that at that age. His mental or emotion health problems have likely caused him to fixate on something mostly unrelated to anything.
He also says, he saw an uncircumcised penis for the first time around the age of 14 or 15 on the internet. That would have been the same time as the circumcision had been performed. Something doesn't sound right with the whole story.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

@sixthson:
When I read the article I thought that he had been circumcised at 14 as well, but it was not worded well:
"When he first learned he had been circumcised at 14, he said it led to feelings of ‘incompleteness, both physically and sexually’."
He found at the age of 14 that he had been circumcised at birth actually, this is because he saw the un cut penis and then realized that he had been cut.

While I think it's wrong to do this to infants, it like most things gets blown out of proportion. We can victimize ourselves by subscribing to a victim mentality.

 

[eastofeden]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

I can't or won't understand suicide so the reason he did it is unimportant to me....

 

[NotHardUp1]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

It would seem that the obsession in some literature with circumcision was most likely a contributing factor, much more so than the actual circumcision that didn't bother him for the first 14 years of his life.

How much more tragic that correctionists influenced his self-image when literally billions and billions of men have found no problem with it whatsoever. How sad to help make discontent men who cannot change something that happened at birth. The crusade is fatally flawed. It is somewhat reminiscent of hate groups like skinheads and Nation of Islam in that it inherently views others as lesser from birth.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

If he didn't realize until 14, how did he miss sex ed, health class and biology? I'm sure lots of people miss lots of information but .....still. That's quite the breadth of info to ignore four years running. Sounds more like he was in a nasty spot mentally and his circumcision is just what his brain focused on. As for the anti-circ literature contribution - probably. However, half of that I'd like to throw in the trash myself from inflammatory language. There's a (well, to me) weird idea in our society that to be a victim of something makes you pitiable, ect, and to have been a victim insinuates, at the very least, to have no will of ones own. Both false. I've been under the assumption that 'woe the fuck is me, when performed correctly it's exactly like losing the whole shebang' drips from some of the anti-circ lit because circumcision is one of the only things the writers have actually experienced. Most things seem large when there's nothing to compare it to. They could also stand to look beyond their own nose when they write on it, some of the things I've seen it compared to...eugh.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Apropos of nothing, but the 14 kind of floors me. I've been under the assumption most people, barring extenuating circumstances, figure out most physically viewable bits during childhood. I noticed at seven and I'm visually impaired, how do you reach 14 without going "There's a difference outside the accepted range here"? I mean, the difference wouldn't have resembled him, but he still would've noticed it?

 

[eddielee]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

I don't know if it would have helped, but it would have been nice if someone explained to him that guys have cut and uncut penises, and there is nothing wrong with either. You should not be ashamed if you're cut, you should not be ashamed if you're uncut. As some have said, his issues go deeper than circumcision.

 

[Taralen]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Idiot, stupid ass. No sympathy or empathy from me. I'm all for suicide, pending the reasons and circumstances. But this is just ignorance. This isn't even mental illness, because those people actually want to get help and ask for it, this is just ignorance.

You have gay men in Jamaica, Africa, Iran, Afghanistan, China, saving up money to be in his position. I just can't. He kills himself because his parents snipped him when he was born, like 90% of other baby boys are.

American men have cut penises. Sorry. I'm cut and I'm glad. If I were born in England I would probably have foreskin, and be glad and proud to be uncut. Most baby boys aren't going to get to choose, too fucking bad. They should be happy for both. Because there are an equal amount of people who love and hate and prefer both, and say one has more pros and cons than the other.

Me personally cut pensises reduce your chances of HIV by 80%, they don't smell as bad, and it's just an American thing. I know someone European might disagree with me, and it's fine.

However uncut penises make sex and masturbation more pleasurable.

Again cut penises are okay, uncut penises are okay. However here in America, guys are cut, it is just the way it is.

Circumcision surgery is more risky the older a man gets, so it's best to do it to a newborn.

 

[SaskGuy]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

It's interesting how many people support forced genital mutilation.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

It's interesting how many people recognize a red herring when it is in the path. Rather than support "forced genital mutilation," we put it in perspective for what it is, not what it is not.

Whereas MANY of us support the growing rationale that adults should make an informed decision, we also realize there is a lot of hype surrounding the argument that is contrived, not based on dissatisfied cut men's reactions.

This entire thread is an example of the non-issue that this controversy has become. A random suicide is amplified as some relevant example of the aftermath of circumcision. As if.

 

[Taralen]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

It's interesting how many people support forced genital mutilation.

Are you cut or uncut? I'm cut and I don't remember the operation at all, and I'm also well endowed.

 

[LeicsDom]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Are you cut or uncut? I'm cut and I don't remember the operation at all, .............

Exactly. You had no choice. That is abuse in my eyes

 

[LeicsDom]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Whereas MANY of us support the growing rationale that adults should make an informed decision, we also realize there is a lot of hype surrounding the argument that is contrived, not based on dissatisfied cut men's reactions.

How can anyone say they are or are not dissatisfied with being cut if they have never had the choice or the experience of being uncut. That is no argument at all

 

[Agent Provocateur]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

This is why this is a men's rights issue. There's no question the reason he killed himself wasn't solely because his foreskin was amputated at birth, but my boyfriend is circumcised and he's always been upset that his parents performed cosmetic surgery on his penis without his consent. That last bit is my main issue with circumcision; there are scant medical benefits and it's modifying a person's body without their consent.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

How can anyone say they are or are not dissatisfied with being cut if they have never had the choice or the experience of being uncut. That is no argument at all

What? Are you worried that we may be happy without your permission, ethics, or values? How valiant. Wouldn't you also be forced to admit that being uncut, you don't know what cut men feel during sex without reading about how some researcher claims we feel? How can you be so sure your satisfaction is superior to the cut man's satisfaction?

My mother smoke and drank while pregnant with me. I'm not pissed about that either.

My father supposedly saw me after I was born and decided he wasn't staying around to be a father. I don't have any interest in caring about what or why he felt so, or even if Mother told the truth about it. Unchangeable. It was a given in the proof.

I wasn't allowed to take Latin in school because my mother thought it was useless. In hindsight, I would have loved it. Sure, I can take it now, but I can't get back the usefulness of it when I was completing school. Regrets? Not really.

It's never too late to have an unhappy childhood. If your mission is to make men question their contentment over something that is irreversible, knock yourself out. Beyond educating the public about the choice and the positions on it, I don't share your view that it is abuse and most of the country doesn't. You seem like you're howling in the wind because society isn't phased by your crusade.

For there to be some fundamental shift, adult men must share the belief that they are somehow suffering from Dickitis, but there is simply no evidence that circumcised men are unhappy fuckers. Your outrage and certainty that they should be is basically the veganification of male sex, and not that many people are buying it. Everyone is still a steak eater, and unapologetically so.

 

[refujiunderground]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

I doubt that it was his circumcision caused his suicide. Depression usually takes on a life of its own no matter what the cause of it is. It's unfortunate that he killed himself but this is a matter of mental health treatment.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

I doubt there's much difference in sensation between circ verse not long-term. The head desensitizes itself a bit during regular contact but that happens with, well, every body part with regular physical contact, whether there's foreskin or not. Unless everyone else forgot puberty and that 'new sensitivity' issue. Or the masturbation death-grip desensitizing effect which comes up when guys find an actual partner. Women have the same issue on that one, it depends on the type of contact your own body is used to. Want to be more sensitive? Change the contact for a few months and your body will readjust and you can go back to your old habits with a hell of a lot more sensation.

Or possibly the remembrance got lost in the shuffle, it being, well, puberty, and now that people are adults the knowledge was left long ago by the wayside.

Let's put it this way - millions of women don't have foreskins (or hoods, whatev) over the same bit of equipment - the only difference is size and a longer urinary canal opening. Happens naturally. There might be an issue if you're less than an inch or two as an adult, though, cuz of nerve density causing pain, but probably not cuz I'm fine and you have a bit less nerve endings I do. Tho if your bits hurt at this point, get thee to a doctor.

It would probably help, in that mad rush to point out that people shouldn't be doing things unto others without a word or three from said party first, (which I don't see anyone here arguing against?) that the ethical choice to involve others in their own bodily changing decisions shouldn't be posited as the automatic opposite of harm accrued. It's a separate issue. I think that last bit needs to be blown up and writ large in the sky with funny-colored smoke. That's a tactic you take when convincing others to leave someone else's genitalia alone, not trying to convince thousands that their genitalia are deficient and hideous.

 

[refujiunderground]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

Funny because I'm uncut and according to one psych three years ago, i suffer from ocd, generalized anxiety and major depressive disorder.


Then again, situations affect people differently. Some things that have happened to me never bothered detered where I've managed life. Other issues really have affected me negatively where they still affect me 25 plus years later. I haven't managed to "get over" it and honestly, I think those issues may have led to my anxiety issues manifesting themselves in my preteens, teenage years and adulthood.


One thing though. It's never a good idea,to let mental illness linger because it may get worse,when you get older. I've known people that had the same issues I had with the ocd where they were in the starting stages and managed to snap out of it before it got full blown. Unfortunately, I went beyond that stage. I remember flipping coins on some superstition shit when I was 11 when I had doubts about certain things. I stopped after a few years and then my Freshmen year of high school, it came back even worse and my ocd was there to stay

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Re: Gay man, who suffered from depression over his circumcision, kills himself

I doubt there's much difference in sensation between circ verse not long-term

I hope you're wrong cuz it would be embarrassing for a female to know more about my body than i do, the explanation i always heard about uncirc (which i am) is that the foreskin is full of sensitive nerve endings hence the heightened sensation vs being circ. i always believed it cuz even with minimal effort my least enjoyable orgasm is still like