Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[fetaby]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

The whole thing is a big ball of stupid. Wanting to or not wanting to, doesn't really matter.

And just so everyone knows,

Circumcision is not medically necessary. That argument is invalid. Therefore it is not a medical decision. Performed by medical staff, but not medically necessary.

 

[Lefty]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

my dear pigface.......

all of those might as wells..........

uh, they (the blessed government)

already do that in many invidious ways.

 

[unloadonme]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Your parents make medical decisions for you until you're 18.

The vast majority of circumcisions are not carried out for medical reasons, so that's an irrelevant argument.

 

[lfcda]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

I'm quite bemused by this debate as in the UK, unless for religious or medical grounds circumsision is not the norm. So why do American parents mutilate their male children and not their female as a matter of course?
Protecting children from senless medical proceedures is not Facism. In fact it was a Facist government that carried out many unwanted medical proceedures on children. Mainly Jewish and disabled ones!

 

[Lord Booticus]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Your parents make medical decisions for you until you're 18. Do you bitch and moan about every medical decision your parents made for you and how you weren't consulted?

Not really a medical decision though is it? Its more accurately a cosmetic decision really.

 

[Lefty]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

The bloody worst and most inconvenient part about not having a

foreskin comes up when you are dining out.

We no longer have ashtrays at the table in the restaurant and trying

to find a place to put your chewing gum ....wrigleys or nicorette is an

inconvenience at best.

 

[looseliam]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Medically necessary or not, it is a medical decision nonetheless. One which the child cannot make.

What if there was some sort of facial deformity. Should we now say that procedure shouldn't be performed on a child because it is cosmetic rather than life-saving?

Guys, this problem lies with the parents, not the government. I'm sorry to say, but if the parent feels it's necessary, it's necessary. The same goes for whether or not to enrol the child in private school.

The bloody worst and most inconvenient part about not having a

foreskin comes up when you are dining out.

We no longer have ashtrays at the table in the restaurant and trying

to find a place to put your chewing gum ....wrigleys or nicorette is an

inconvenience at best.

under the table, silly!

 

[fetaby]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Guys, this problem lies with the parents, not the government. I'm sorry to say, but if the parent feels it's necessary, it's necessary.

The decision to get a circumcision for a newborn child is literally ticking off a check box on a form. There is no explanation of what it's for, what it actually does or does not do. Usually parents decide to just go with however the father is unless they have some personal reason for doing otherwise.

It's misinformation, lack of information that's at fault. Not the government or the parents.

Lack of thinking on all sides....

 

[Lefty]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Oh my God

No. No, No.

Liam, who knows what people have put under that table

and the disgusting diseases you can pick up...Even more

nauseating, what if you retrieve someone elses in error.

Holy Begonias man...it could have belonged to someone of

a different political party, race or...or ...or even a queer.

Foreskins Forever. Purity for the masses.

 

[looseliam]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

The decision to get a circumcision for a newborn child is literally ticking off a check box on a form. There is no explanation of what it's for, what it actually does or does not do. Usually parents decide to just go with however the father is unless they have some personal reason for doing otherwise.

It's misinformation, lack of information that's at fault. Not the government or the parents.

Lack of thinking on all sides....

So the government must now step-in and protect the stupid.

Mr. and Mrs. Jones can't properly read and fill-out a medical form so we have to help them?

Oh my God

No. No, No.

Liam, who knows what people have put under that table

and the disgusting diseases you can pick up...Even more

nauseating, what if you retrieve someone elses in error.

Holy Begonias man...it could have belonged to someone of

a different political party, race or...or ...or even a queer.

Foreskins Forever. Purity for the masses.

Hmm, you could always put it behind your date's ear. I don't think he'd mind... much.

 

[MyReply]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Just some radical group trying to get attention for their agenda. This will never pass. If the argument of religious intolerance isn't enough to kill it, then the idea of taking parental control away from parents in regards to how they choose to raise their children will.

 

[fetaby]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

So the government must now step-in and protect the stupid.

Mr. and Mrs. Jones can't properly read and fill-out a medical form so we have to help them?

They've been protecting the stupid for a long time now, so what would be the difference in that?

Anyway, I don't really have a horse in this race. My opinion is that it's stupid either way. BTW, I hate people.

 

[oakpope]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Why not inform people before asking the parents for it ? A leaflet should be enough to inform them that it is no longer necessary from a medical stand point and that it may interfer with the sexual sensation of their child. Informed parents could make their decisions having most of the facts.
A law to just disallow parental choice seems harsh to me.

 

[looseliam]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

They've been protecting the stupid for a long time now, so what would be the difference in that?

Anyway, I don't really have a horse in this race. My opinion is that it's stupid either way. BTW, I hate people.

Aww, c'mon; you mean we don't need the warning on the curling iron that says "do not insert into any orifice"?

 

[fetaby]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Aww, c'mon; you mean we don't need the warning on the curling iron that says "do not insert into any orifice"?

Do not insert while HOT...

 

[unloadonme]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Medically necessary or not, it is a medical decision nonetheless. One which the child cannot make.

What if there was some sort of facial deformity. Should we now say that procedure shouldn't be performed on a child because it is cosmetic rather than life-saving?

Guys, this problem lies with the parents, not the government. I'm sorry to say, but if the parent feels it's necessary, it's necessary. The same goes for whether or not to enrol the child in private school.

That's so staggeringly ridiculous I can barely believe I'm reading it.

How can parents possibly decide that a medically unnecessary procedure is required for medical reasons? It's a complete non sequitur. The decision is taken for aesthetic/cosmetic or religious reasons. The vast majority of circumcisions have nothing whatsoever to do with the health of the child and are unnecessary whatever the views of the parents.

 

[lfcda]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

The argument about facial disfigurement is flawed. A medical proceedure should be of benifit. In the case of facial disfigurement the benifit is either physical or mental heaalth or both. Unless warrented curcumsision is simply mutiating a defenseless infant.

 

[lfcda]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Medically necessary or not, it is a medical decision nonetheless. One which the child cannot make.

What if there was some sort of facial deformity. Should we now say that procedure shouldn't be performed on a child because it is cosmetic rather than life-saving?

Guys, this problem lies with the parents, not the government. I'm sorry to say, but if the parent feels it's necessary, it's necessary. The same goes for whether or not to enrol the child in private school.



under the table, silly!

What an interesting argument, I don't think!

 

[looseliam]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Define "deformity." Isn't there a mother under investigation now for giving her child botox?

Perhaps deformity was the wrong word. Let's say there is some physical feature the parents wish to change. It had no bearing on the health of child. Should that parent be prohibited from making such a decision?

I think the bill is to help Mr. and Mrs. Jones' kid, not them. If Mr. Jones, at age 18, decides that he wants to slice up his penis (which, for some odd reason, rarely happens with adults in control of their own decisions) so be it.

It rarely happens because one doesn't know any different. I don't think one is better than the other. It's a preference. One, unfortunately, that is mostly up to the parents.

That's so staggeringly ridiculous I can barely believe I'm reading it.

How can parents possibly decide that a medically unnecessary procedure is required for medical reasons? It's a complete non sequitur. The decision is taken for aesthetic/cosmetic or religious reasons. The vast majority of circumcisions have nothing whatsoever to do with the health of the child and are unnecessary whatever the views of the parents.

I don't know how the parents can decide - I'm not one. Unnecessary or not, it's the parent's decision.

How is a parent to decide whether a medical procedure is necessary when he or she is not a medical professional and does not understand a) the problem, b) the diagnosis? SHould the government now say that because most can not really make an "informed decision" that such decisions should be made by the state?

Hair cuts are done for aesthetic reasons. Are we now saying a parent can't trim a child's hair? Yes, yes, I know hair will grow back, but if it didn't?

The argument about facial disfigurement is flawed. A medical proceedure should be of benifit. In the case of facial disfigurement the benifit is either physical or mental heaalth or both. Unless warrented curcumsision is simply mutiating a defenseless infant.

How is circumcision not a benefit? How is leaving the foreskin a benefit?

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Please, people, don't for one second think I'm saying that no one should be circumcised or everyone should.

I'm simply saying that it is a parental decision and I don't think the government has a place in this matter circumventing parental rights.

 

[lfcda]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Perhaps deformity was the wrong word. Let's say there is some physical feature the parents wish to change. It had no bearing on the health of child. Should that parent be prohibited from making such a decision?



It rarely happens because one doesn't know any different. I don't think one is better than the other. It's a preference. One, unfortunately, that is mostly up to the parents.


I don't know how the parents can decide - I'm not one. Unnecessary or not, it's the parent's decision.

How is a parent to decide whether a medical procedure is necessary when he or she is not a medical professional and does not understand a) the problem, b) the diagnosis? SHould the government now say that because most can not really make an "informed decision" that such decisions should be made by the state?

Hair cuts are done for aesthetic reasons. Are we now saying a parent can't trim a child's hair? Yes, yes, I know hair will grow back, but if it didn't?


How is circumcision not a benefit? How is leaving the foreskin a benefit?

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Please, people, don't for one second think I'm saying that no one should be circumcised or everyone should.

I'm simply saying that it is a parental decision and I don't think the government has a place in this matter circumventing parental rights.

What about the childs rights? They didn't ask to be here but society must impose an acceptable standard of parenting. For instance is it a parental right to feed you child so much that it endanders their health and causes them to be bullied to the point of destroying their self worth?