Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[looseliam]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

'S not really part of her body anymore is it?

Touché - perform the circumcision with the umbilical still attached.

 

[EwanSF]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

his choice? it's not his choice.. he's a fucking baby.

There are much more damaging things that no one is complaining about.

If there was cosmetic surgery parents elected to have to remove a very embarrassing mark from their child.. should that be illegal as well?

I can't believe why people are making such a big deal of this.

We don't need unnecessary laws. If you don't want parents to do it.. then try to convince them.. don't fucking ban them.

Foreskin isn't an embaressing birthmark genius, it's a funtioning part of the body. And that is kind of the point. It's a baby, it cannot make an informed choice, and the idiot parents are removing that element of choice permenantly for their own bullshit reasons. Oh...it promotes hygine. So does soap. But god said....fuck off.

 

[bankside]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

This may be a bit esoteric, but work with me:

A mother can abort her fetus. However, she can't choose to circumcise her son?

His rights begin at birth. A fetus does not have rights. But she is not circumcising a fetus, she is forcing circumcision on a human with full recognized rights of his own.

And I have to say it is even more perverse that a woman could make the choice since she has no direct knowledge of what it even is to own a penis or what is involved. I am circumcised. My penis works, gives me a fantastic range of pleasure and even then it isn't my place to take that choice away from a son. It's his body.

 

[bankside]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Yes, it cannot make informed choices and that is why parents make choices for their child. That's life. Deal with it.

It's not like the entire penis was removed... a circumcised penis functions just as well. As far as I know, there's nothing wrong with me for being circumcised.

It's that kind of hard-line attitude that makes it very easy for me to say to parents, It's his penis. Leave it the fuck alone. That's life. Deal with it.

I'm glad your penis works. My circumcised dick, as far as I know is functioning just fine too. But it was an unnecessary risk they put me through for the stupidest of reasons. And I quote "I don't know. People did it. And your father was done so we thought we'd do you too."

Fucking ridiculous. And the reality is not everyone has the same functionality or sensation. Complications abound. And unless and until there is something actually wrong with the foreskin, it should stay there just like the tonsils or the appendix.

If you want to talk about priorities instead of this endless debate about circumcision, go worry about all the kids with infected tonsils because their parents didn't have them snipped out at birth.

 

[EwanSF]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

He just presented a perfectly valid medical argument. It's unnecessary surgery that carries risks. It should under no circumstances be done, no matter what the morons that spawned the poor boy may think.

And it'll never happen? I think you'll find, the more atheists there are in your country, and there seem to be more of them every day, the less likely they are to put up with illogical religious (be it overt or covert, it's the basis,) bullshit like this.

 

[bankside]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

And it's easy for parents to say .. it's my child, stay out of it.

Unless there is a pressing reason to ban circumcision for medical reasons.. I don't see any other reason other than this moral argument. And there is no universal moral duty.

So it's just your opinion.

Such a ridiculous idea will never become law.. and thank god. If I do have children, I plan on getting any male children circumcised and I am glad I have that right.

The pressing medical reason would be that it removes healthy functioning tissue. I hope the law gets there before you do so your kids have a choice about their own bodies.

 

[MoltenRock III]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

My parents always told me I could get circumcised if I wanted to anytime after I turned 16, but didn't feel it was their right to choose for me. Two of my brothers decided to have it done, and myself and my other brother chose not to.

I think its best left up to the child when he becomes an appropriate age be it 14, 16, 18, or whatever.

 

[MoltenRock III]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

What if the reason is cultural or religious? I find that reason compelling enough. The procedure does not cause significant harm and until there is evidence that the process causes lasting psychological or emotional damage, I don't really think there's a strong enough argument.

Personally I'm glad I got it at a point when I don't remember it. I would have become circumcised anyway

Frankly, you cannot say that, as you don't really know. Insisting otherwise is a lie.

 

[MoltenRock III]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

That's never a good reason to cause physical harm to someone without something more clinical.

We have to stop pandering to religious loons in this country.

I agree with what blackbeltninja said up-thread - I really hope that if this is done, there is no religious exemption.

It just goes to show you how deeply ingrained silly religious practices are. And yet I've seen thousands of posts on this forum, by some of the very same pro-circ posters in this thread, about how stupid another religion's practices are (ie... praying towards Mecca).

 

[Goonsicle]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Y
Where is that popcorn smiley hiding?

-d-

Here you go

 

[MoltenRock III]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

religious loons? You don't think that's somewhat offensive? People have a right to believe what they want and to decide what is best for their children based on that belief
And physical harm? It's temporary pain... and a procedure that has benefits to it, both physical and social (pertaining to cultural). A pain that has no lasting physical or psychological effect as far as I know.

I'm sorry but circumcision is not the life-altering procedure some people are trying to make it out. The life of a circumcised male is not much different than the life of an uncircumcised male aside from more ease in terms of cleanliness and possibly less sensitivity.

Ah yes. The "adamant father syndrome" rears its head as usual.

 

[navidzurender]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

They should also pass a bill about a child's haircut no?

 

[looseliam]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

They should also pass a bill about a child's haircut no?

I was going to use that analogy, but I can hear the "well, the hair grows back" arguments already.

 

[Zabotugi]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

I was going to use that analogy, but I can hear the "well, the hair grows back" arguments already.

Also, hair does not have nerve ending or veins in it.

 

[MyReply]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

I was going to use that analogy, but I can hear the "well, the hair grows back" arguments already.

Yeah. But it's *his* hair, and parents don't have a right to alter any part of his body without his consent...so no haircuts! When he turns 18, he can make the decision for himself as to whether or not he wants to get a haircut, but it should be up to him. Notice how they don't cut little girls hair? Just another sign of society not valuing boys as much as girls. His scalp, his choice!

Parents also shouldn't force braces on their kids crooked teeth either. His mouth, his choice!

Let's create a law that protects kids from parental interference when it comes to any and all aesthetic issues; no matter how inane or petty.

**snicker**

So ridiculous.

The real reason you got these silly ass grown men crying over their circumcisions is because (after logging one too many hours looking at imported porn from Europe) they think their parents hindered them from looking like Lukas Ridgeston's double. Tell the truth, shame the devil.

If I ever had a baby boy, I probably wouldn't him have circumcised (depending on how his mother felt)...but, unlike the feeling I get from anti-circumcision zealots, I'm not sitting here salivating over a big, emphatic, activist "NO" to deliver to the OBGYN when he'd ask me whether or not I want him snipped.

Right now, somewhere out there, there are little boys starving, homeless, being beat by their parents, or diagnosed with some kind of terminal illness...and yet some people would rather boo, hiss and focus their pseudo activist passion on neo-natal circumcision, and how a day old infant wasn't given a choice to decide if he wanted to spend the rest of his life having to take 15 extra seconds to wash away the particles of urine from around his dick. Please.

 

[Zabotugi]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Over ten years ago I convinced my sister to not circumcise her newborn son.

Since then he's had one minor infection after another on the tip of his penis. Nothing major but annoying. His foreskin has not retracted so now he's applying a steroid cream and it's helping. I knew that if anything went wrong, it'd be ALL my fault.

I wish I'd never read the whiney ass comments against circumcision on the internet, which is where I got the idea that it was unnecessary!

Were they forcibly retracting him as a youngster? Infections happen but rarely. Don't blame yourself it's not your fault. And it still is unnecessary. I hear stories all the time about how x person has to take their baby to get re-circumcised because their first one was botched, or they took too much skin off. There was actually a story in the news recently about a toddler that died soon after circumcision. Nobody knows what caused it but it wouldn't have happened if the event wasn't getting done in the first place. It's not the parents fault though, I really blame the American media, and many doctors for pushing this shit on people more than I blame the parents. Believe it or not the media plays a big role about EVERYTHING in this country.

 

[Zabotugi]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

AND BEFORE ANYONE BRINGS UP THE WHOLE,"IT PREVENTS STDs'' stuff, it needs to be known that it's behaviors that are high risk, NOT WHAT TYPE OF DICK YOU HAVE. I once seen a guy that said cut guys can bareback more and that he avoids uncut guys for this reason. DOES ANYONE ELSE NOT SEE THE FALLACY IN HIS LOGIC? I HOPE HIS STUPIDITY DOESN'T COME TO BITE HIM IN THE ASS.

 

[Zabotugi]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

Yeah. But it's *his* hair, and parents don't have a right to alter any part of his body without his consent...so no haircuts! When he turns 18, he can make the decision for himself as to whether or not he wants to get a haircut, but it should be up to him. Notice how they don't cut little girls hair? Just another sign of society not valuing boys as much as girls. His scalp, his choice!

Parents also shouldn't force braces on their kids crooked teeth either. His mouth, his choice!

Let's create a law that protects kids from parental interference when it comes to any and all aesthetic issues; no matter how inane or petty.

**snicker**

So ridiculous.

The real reason you got these silly ass grown men crying over their circumcisions is because (after logging one too many hours looking at imported porn from Europe) they think their parents hindered them from looking like Lukas Ridgeston's double. Tell the truth, shame the devil.

If I ever had a baby boy, I probably wouldn't him have circumcised (depending on how his mother felt)...but, unlike the feeling I get from anti-circumcision zealots, I'm not sitting here salivating over a big, emphatic, activist "NO" to deliver to the OBGYN when he'd ask me whether or not I want him snipped.

Right now, somewhere out there, there are little boys starving, homeless, being beat by their parents, or diagnosed with some kind of terminal illness...and yet some people would rather boo, hiss and focus their pseudo activist passion on neo-natal circumcision, and how a day old infant wasn't given a choice to decide if he wanted to spend the rest of his life having to take 15 extra seconds to wash the particles of urine from his around dick. Please.

You assume that only gay men want their foreskin back but I have heard plenty of straight men say things like this. Although I do agree that sex alone should not be a reason to hate their parents, it does not really disqualify them from speaking. I find whale activist annoying , but I don't sit there and act like their cause is worthless. BTW, there are PLENTY of women in the anti-circ movement, plenty of very conservative men, and (unfortunately) plenty of neo-nazis. There are MANY activists that boycott things that may or may not be actual issues, but I don't think they should just ''get over it''.

 

[NineOfClubs]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

So in San Francisco, it's perfectly OK to abort the male fetus.

But once he's born, it's all "hands off"!

 

[Zabotugi]

Re: Circumcision in San Francisco

My reply, I also would like to say that sexual preference often plays a big role on rather a kid gets circ'd or not (unfortunately). American Men and women as well see circ'd penises in porn and they get used to it. SOME uncut American guys get used to it as well, and when they have a child they circ him. BTW, I see pro-circs talk about how beautiful a circ'd penis is, and how a circ'd penis can last longer and all that stuff. I see women on facebook and youtube call their son's newly circ penis ''pretty'' (WTF?), grown ass men talking about how they circ'd their sons because ''chicks dig it'', I see people use the porn comparison ("LOOK IN PORN DUDE, DO YOU EVER SEE A UNCIRCUMCIZED DICK?) all the time. Yet all these people get ignored and it's the anti-circs that get called out as the freaks. I've seens women say,"oh i have to get my son circumcised, what woman would want to put their mouth around a nasty uncircumcized dick?") And then here come the zombies laughing about it. All these pro-circ people get ignored because circ is so ''normal'' when they make bizarre comparisons, yet the anti-circ people get shit on.