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Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.
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Re: Circumcision in San Francisco
What would you do if you met an anti-circ who was pro-life?So in San Francisco, it's perfectly OK to abort the male fetus.
But once he's born, it's all "hands off"!
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Don't assume all anti-circs are pro-choice. Most anti-circs I know are pro-life. Like I said, although I am anti-circ I don't support this ban because it's too sudden, most people just think it's either being banned for the hell of it, or gay men that have a foreskin fetish are behind it, or (AND THIS SEEMS TO BE THE MOST PREVALENT ACCUSATION FOR SOME REASON) the whole thing is being funded by white supremacist neo-nazis that want to restrict the religious rights of jews. And even if it was banned, people would simply drive outside SF to get the operation. I can see all the circ clinics on the outskirts of SF now. I think there are much effective ways to decrease the circ rate in this country. I've seen men say that they would convert to Judaism JUST SO they could have a circumcised dick if they ban was enforced. To me, that's an insult to the community/religion because the only reason you are apart of it is so you can be satisfied with the way your dick looks, you could care less about the religion and all the other rituals, as long as you're circ'd. To me, that's also disrespectful to the community.
Don't assume all anti-circs are pro-choice. Most anti-circs I know are pro-life. Like I said, although I am anti-circ I don't support this ban because it's too sudden, most people just think it's either being banned for the hell of it, or gay men that have a foreskin fetish are behind it, or (AND THIS SEEMS TO BE THE MOST PREVALENT ACCUSATION FOR SOME REASON) the whole thing is being funded by white supremacist neo-nazis that want to restrict the religious rights of jews. And even if it was banned, people would simply drive outside SF to get the operation. I can see all the circ clinics on the outskirts of SF now. I think there are much effective ways to decrease the circ rate in this country. I've seen men say that they would convert to Judaism JUST SO they could have a circumcised dick if they ban was enforced. To me, that's an insult to the community/religion because the only reason you are apart of it is so you can be satisfied with the way your dick looks, you could care less about the religion and all the other rituals, as long as you're circ'd. To me, that's also disrespectful to the community.
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HIGHLIGHTING IS FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The easiest way to get your post ignored? Post in banana yellow. Felt like my eyes were being circumcised.
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If the health benefits were so drastically beneficial then other men in Europe and Asia would have their dicks rotting off. They're not. Like I said, behaviors are high risk, not penises. Most problems men have with their foreskin in this country are due to human error, they usually just don't ''happen''. Again, I don't support this ban, but I don't like how circ is being promoted as a means of disease prevention it gives people a false sense of security. It doesn't make sense, people think circumcision is a form of protection so now they can run around and be whores because only uncut guys get infections.
If the health benefits were so drastically beneficial then other men in Europe and Asia would have their dicks rotting off. They're not. Like I said, behaviors are high risk, not penises. Most problems men have with their foreskin in this country are due to human error, they usually just don't ''happen''. Again, I don't support this ban, but I don't like how circ is being promoted as a means of disease prevention it gives people a false sense of security. It doesn't make sense, people think circumcision is a form of protection so now they can run around and be whores because only uncut guys get infections.
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This is what happened in other countries that used to circ. The insurance stopped covering it and the rates dropped like wildfire. Unfortunately, pressure for circumcision is so strong in this country (for certain reason but I won't get into that here.....) that many offices lower the price on them. Did you know that human foreskins are used in cosmetic products? They use circumcised foreskin fibroblasts.
http://www.plasmetic.com/skin/skin-...rom-skinmedica-promoted-by-oprah-winfrey.html
They are also sometimes used as new skin for burn victims. But this does not justify the practice, as there are other ways to get new skin for burn victims.
And still, many of them simply get thrown in the trash and the doctor/hospital takes the money for the circumcision and uses it for whatever. Of course not all or maybe MOST doctors are not like this, but you know some are.
This is what happened in other countries that used to circ. The insurance stopped covering it and the rates dropped like wildfire. Unfortunately, pressure for circumcision is so strong in this country (for certain reason but I won't get into that here.....) that many offices lower the price on them. Did you know that human foreskins are used in cosmetic products? They use circumcised foreskin fibroblasts.
http://www.plasmetic.com/skin/skin-...rom-skinmedica-promoted-by-oprah-winfrey.html
They are also sometimes used as new skin for burn victims. But this does not justify the practice, as there are other ways to get new skin for burn victims.
And still, many of them simply get thrown in the trash and the doctor/hospital takes the money for the circumcision and uses it for whatever. Of course not all or maybe MOST doctors are not like this, but you know some are.
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It amazes me the extent to which pregnant couples go to in order to deliver a healthy baby, (ie... not one drop of alcohol or even 2nd hand cigarette smoke during pregnancy, multiple check ups, neo-natal vitamins, music for the fetus, etc...) yet will volunteer their newborn baby to be subjected to a needless procedure that can mutilate their sons sexual organs, create infections, and yes, even death. Granted these percentages are small, but given the lengths the couple went to during pregnancy is illogical in the extreme to then do.
This family lost their newborn baby boy to a circumcision gone awry. It happens. Don't kid yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YSBS9y9YvQ
It amazes me the extent to which pregnant couples go to in order to deliver a healthy baby, (ie... not one drop of alcohol or even 2nd hand cigarette smoke during pregnancy, multiple check ups, neo-natal vitamins, music for the fetus, etc...) yet will volunteer their newborn baby to be subjected to a needless procedure that can mutilate their sons sexual organs, create infections, and yes, even death. Granted these percentages are small, but given the lengths the couple went to during pregnancy is illogical in the extreme to then do.
This family lost their newborn baby boy to a circumcision gone awry. It happens. Don't kid yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YSBS9y9YvQ
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Actually, I would actively campaign against this bill unless religious circumcisions were also banned.
I don't like to see any pseudo-"cultural" reasoning treated with kid gloves and unnecessary sensitivity while the rest of the people simply get ordered what to do and told to like it or fuck off elsewhere.
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Actually, I would actively campaign against this bill unless religious circumcisions were also banned.
I don't like to see any pseudo-"cultural" reasoning treated with kid gloves and unnecessary sensitivity while the rest of the people simply get ordered what to do and told to like it or fuck off elsewhere.
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I've had a circumcision. I'm not scarred, my dick is a (very) healthy size, I don't hate my parents for choosing to have this procedure done, and I have yet to see such an extreme as Molten so conveniently pointed out. I've seen the result of a circumcision right in my own home - the aftermath is a little scary, but it lasts less than a day, and it's over, healed and back to normal use - but that's one experience and unlike Molten, I won't use one story to convince you to go out and snip your dicks, or not.
You anti-folks want it to be the boys' choice ONLY. Well, that's all well and good - you have children and raise them how you wish.
I will never rail against abortion - that's the mothers' choice. In the same vein, i'm not going to rail against circumcision - that's clearly a family choice. Useless? Well, I don't have an uncut dick, so I'm not at liberty to discuss the pros and cons of having one versus not having one. And I personally don't care to. Mine is in working order. Yours is too. And life goes on.
I've had a circumcision. I'm not scarred, my dick is a (very) healthy size, I don't hate my parents for choosing to have this procedure done, and I have yet to see such an extreme as Molten so conveniently pointed out. I've seen the result of a circumcision right in my own home - the aftermath is a little scary, but it lasts less than a day, and it's over, healed and back to normal use - but that's one experience and unlike Molten, I won't use one story to convince you to go out and snip your dicks, or not.
You anti-folks want it to be the boys' choice ONLY. Well, that's all well and good - you have children and raise them how you wish.
I will never rail against abortion - that's the mothers' choice. In the same vein, i'm not going to rail against circumcision - that's clearly a family choice. Useless? Well, I don't have an uncut dick, so I'm not at liberty to discuss the pros and cons of having one versus not having one. And I personally don't care to. Mine is in working order. Yours is too. And life goes on.
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^Interesting; but I'm not sure how it's a "family" choice.
It's not like sitting down to chat about which city we should move to with Dad looking for a new job; it's the boy's winkie and the family really need no say in the matter whatsoever, unless the parents need to make a critical medical decision. For purely cosmetic reasons... no.
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^Interesting; but I'm not sure how it's a "family" choice.
It's not like sitting down to chat about which city we should move to with Dad looking for a new job; it's the boy's winkie and the family really need no say in the matter whatsoever, unless the parents need to make a critical medical decision. For purely cosmetic reasons... no.
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In my roundabout way, I'm really posing this question - how is it societies' choice? No, it's not a painless procedure, and like all surgery, it comes with risk - I can argue that it is very slight, but saying there is a 1% chance still means there is a chance. It depends on the parent, how they were brought up - hopefully they do research on the procedure rather than do it "cuz my kid wouldn't want a hood over his pee pee". My parents, while christian, probably didn't do this out of some religious construct(my father most certainly didn't; he despises organised religion almost as much as I do)... so I fail to see the problem with the anti people wanting the choice of the procedure stopped.
It's just an alternate way to think on it. I'm not getting why on this one thing, everyone is ready and eager to jump into a nanny state agenda.
In my roundabout way, I'm really posing this question - how is it societies' choice? No, it's not a painless procedure, and like all surgery, it comes with risk - I can argue that it is very slight, but saying there is a 1% chance still means there is a chance. It depends on the parent, how they were brought up - hopefully they do research on the procedure rather than do it "cuz my kid wouldn't want a hood over his pee pee". My parents, while christian, probably didn't do this out of some religious construct(my father most certainly didn't; he despises organised religion almost as much as I do)... so I fail to see the problem with the anti people wanting the choice of the procedure stopped.
It's just an alternate way to think on it. I'm not getting why on this one thing, everyone is ready and eager to jump into a nanny state agenda.
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So your cool with me punching you in your face? (not that I have any desire to what so ever) The pains only temporary and it can have the benefit of making you look totally bad ass! You can tell people about how you swooped in to save an old ladies bag or saving a young maiden from a dragon. They'd think you were totally cool
. Plus you can play the wounded puppy card and get lots of sympathy from people.
But which ones more likely?
So your cool with me punching you in your face? (not that I have any desire to what so ever) The pains only temporary and it can have the benefit of making you look totally bad ass! You can tell people about how you swooped in to save an old ladies bag or saving a young maiden from a dragon. They'd think you were totally cool
. Plus you can play the wounded puppy card and get lots of sympathy from people.But which ones more likely?
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That's not my place to say - and I really don't care enough to ask.
That's not my place to say - and I really don't care enough to ask.
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I'm trying to picture all the people who have struggled to ensure safe access to birth control and abortion over the years...trying to picture them shouting "It's a woman's right to abort her son's foreskin after he's born!!!"
And you know, I just don't buy it.
I'm trying to picture all the people who have struggled to ensure safe access to birth control and abortion over the years...trying to picture them shouting "It's a woman's right to abort her son's foreskin after he's born!!!"
And you know, I just don't buy it.