Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[bankside]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

Then get mad at your parents instead of making a law banning it when most men are happy with their parents decision.



I already explained this is a phenomenon I've only encountered on JUB.

And bankside again is off base. It's not a big deal if it's a procedure that was done as an infant of which I have no recollection and no memory of. Whatever suffering I encountered I can only imagine bc it's as if it didn't exist.
I'm glad I didn't have to suffer through the painful process and recovery as an adult.

What bankside doesn't understand, if I may speak on his behalf, is why you were happy to encounter that suffering as an infant. Just because you can't remember it? Mkay then.

Oh, and how many forums have you joined where people discuss human rights and penises all the time. Where are all these people who are okay with it? Or have you just never asked.

 

[Corny]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

i've met 3 guys who wish their parents did circumcise them.

so what's their problem? they still can get snipped. complaining about it instead of getting it done is probably just a cover-up for their real preference

The other situation to ponder is if a sovereign state (in this case, Germany) has the right to dictate and control the practice of religion. After all, this ruling seems to directly interfere with a Jewish or a Muslim's right to practice his religion.

So circumcising girls is also a religious practice in certain regions. Is this covered by the right to practice religion, too?

Agreed.

If this was actual mutilation then the result would be a non-functioning penis.

which can be the result of a circumcision. it's rare, but it happens. and this kid had to visit the ER after all ..

 

[fetaby]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

The issue was where is the public outcry. Where are the people saying they were mutilated. How can anyone justify a small minority of men forcing a law on the majority of men who are more than happy with their circumcision.

Didn't know comfortably ignoring injustice was dependent on a popularity moratorium. Oh wait, yes I did... Majorities have been unwilling to consider the minority perspective forever. What gives anyone the right to operate on a non-consenting individual?

Your lack of disapproval over your circumcision is not compelling reason to approve of medically unnecessary procedures on children who aren't even born yet. And even if it were your children, this debate is about determining if you have the right to govern your children's bodies and to what extent.

If anything it compares more closely to religious sects that do not believe in organ transplants or blood transfusions in medically necessary cases. They are given the religious freedom to essentially kill themselves despite medical technological advances and not many people have a problem with that. Do you?

But it's disingenuous to consistently focus this debate on grown ass men. Those who are circumcised can never regain their foreskins, and those with them can get the circumcision if they want. There isn't a ban on 'em.

Perhaps the religious of Germany will begin to take pilgrimages with their children to countries that are more accepting of their practices.

But just one more thing...

How can anyone justify a small minority of men forcing a law on the majority of men who are more than happy[STRIKE] with their circumcision.[/STRIKE]

Because just laws allow for the possibility for ALL men to be more than happy. Your statement can be a fill-in-the-blank for any number of injustices throughout history, but since you happen to be one of the majority it's on you to prove that you're more than your bias.

 

[fetaby]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

Yes not remembering it is huge and I'm assuming the healing process is a lot quicker and the process as a whole a lot easier and done on an infant.

Ive talked about it with men in PERSON. And honestly most straight men don't have such an obsession with what a penis looks like as long as women like it.
I'm beginning to wonder if this is a gay fixation.

How many times are you going to misrepresent what is possible with medical technology today?

Between surgical advancements and pharmaceutical technology, the healing process would actually be better administered by one's self, rather than a clumsy parent. You have no idea how many mothers have no idea how a child's penis is supposed to look and grow over time, much less care for one that has been operated on, and don't pretend it's the daddy changing the diaper each and every time.

And straight men don't care what a their penis looks like?

 

[fetaby]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

A botched circumsision might result in a mutilation. But generally calling circumsision mutilation is a bit dramatic.

Bankside my post isnt an example of your point because it doesnt even make sense.

He was attempting to illustrate that at the time when drinking and driving was made illegal, popular opinion did not understand the significance.

His point could have been made with any issue that was flipped despite the desires of the majority opinion.

 

[bort138]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

Every human deserves the respect and freedom to have their full body. The surgical removal of functional tissue from a child is completely unwarranted and unnecessary. Genital cutting on girls is against the law whereas genital cutting on boys is legal. Why one set of rules for girls but not for boys? Foreskin is not a deformity so it is time we stop treating it as one.

 

[gaystorm]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

It should bea crime to beuncut. Yes, they are ugly. But, it causes more illness too.

 

[bort138]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

It should bea crime to beuncut. Yes, they are ugly. But, it causes more illness too.

So the natural appearance of a penis is ugly and since it is ugly cosmetic surgery should be allowed on children's genitals without their consent? Yikes.

 

[unloadonme]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

Don't Christians and Jews believe (according to Genesis 1:27) that "God created man in his own image"?

In that case, surely all Christians and Jews should be fundamentally opposed to anything which altered said image.

 

[rareboy]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

Ah well.

Too late for some of us, I guess.

 

[80KGold]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

I do declare that I am of sound mind and body. Also, I'm old enough to decide matters which affect me directly. Ex post facto, I grant my mom permission to grant the doctor permission to circumcise my dick. There. All fixed.

I wouldn't really say that. Especially in strongly religious/cultural regions, most circumcised kids are proud to be circumcised. OTOH, uncircumcised kids, who is very likely to have different culture/religion background would see circumcision as something that doesn't make any differences and thus unimportant.

I'm not sure that I understand exactly what you mean, but by what I think I understand, I don't think you're necessarily disagreeing with me.

 

[ibill1]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

I spent my early adult life as an uncircumcised guy and the rest as circumcised. I was circumcised at 28. It was for medical reasons or should I say to prevent future medical problems. Since I met my husband at 17, he experienced it both ways and didn't care either way. It was me he loved not my dick, although I was hard pressed to believe that some of the times when we were going at it. I personally didn't notice much of a difference after the two weeks of pure hell after the surgery.

It brought about many comical situations between us. My Steve use to walk around the house mostly naked most of the time. During this two to three weeks I made him wear at least shorts because getting a hard-on was excruciating. We avoided movies that had hot guys in them for the same reason and obviously no porn.

I actually don't understand what all the fuss is about. It's just a hood for gods sake, some have one, some don't. There are so many more important things to worry about. Oh, and your parents were only doing what they thought was right at the time for what they knew. I'm Italian, whacking something means something totally different to us.

 

[highwindcaleb]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

i am cut and don't want it any over way. and to all the crazy people talking about mutilation... what the hell are you talking about?

I just don't understand what the big deal is... over reaction on the German's part in my opinion

 

[bort138]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

mutilation - to cut up or alter radically so as to make imperfect, to cut off or permanently destroy a limb or essential part of

Explain to me how circumcision does not meet this definition.

 

[Praxus]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

I'm cut, and I only date cut guys. With me it's def a deal breaker, uncut just grosses me out. Won't even watch porn if the guy is uncut.

If they outlaw circumcision they ought to outlaw tattoos and piercings too, those are far worse mutilations if you ask me.

- - - Updated - - -

I'm cut, and I only date cut guys. With me it's def a deal breaker, uncut just grosses me out. Won't even watch porn if the guy is uncut.

If they outlaw circumcision they ought to outlaw tattoos and piercings too, those are far worse mutilations if you ask me.

 

[bankside]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

Some of you seem confused as though circumcision is like some kind of extra strong exfoliation at the spa or something. It's the amputation of healthy tissue.

And nobody is talking about banning circumcision, only that it shouldn't be done to some poor startled baby whose only goal that day was to wake up, suck on a boob for a while, mess himself, and maybe chew on his fingers for a while. The reason we don't ban tattooing and piercing is because it's something adults choose to do to themselves.

 

[bort138]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

Because nothing is being made imperfect and no vital or essential body parts are being removed or deprived.

Removing healthy natural and functional tissue with nerve endings is making it imperfect. You're telling me that a circumcised penis is more perfect than a natural penis? Foreskin has many functions including preventing the glans from becoming keratinised and keeping it soft and moist. It also provides protection of the glans. I suppose foreskin isn't that essential since people can live without it so how about we start chopping off ear lobes since they aren't really essential either. Why not remove other non-essential body parts from children? If adults want to be circumcised that is fine but let's stop denying children the rights to their own body.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

The other situation to ponder is if a sovereign state (in this case, Germany) has the right to dictate and control the practice of religion. After all, this ruling seems to directly interfere with a Jewish or a Muslim's right to practice his religion.

Though, isn't it a matter of the right to practice their religion on someone else?

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

Perhaps the religious of Germany will begin to take pilgrimages with their children to countries that are more accepting of their practices.

I had the same thought. If so -- and I think it's likely -- a division will arise between those who could afford that trip and those who couldn't.

Of course, the first issue that will raise is how Europe as a whole will handle the situation, since all parents would really have to do is cross the border out of Germany.

 

[Ninja108]

Re: Circumcision of boys is a crime

It addresses the issue of doing elective surgery to someone who is not old enough to consent to it.
Just my viewpoint,if you are 18 and want it done,be my guest. But a parent shouldn't make that choice for their child.