OMG How terrible!

[Polydeuces]

I still believe the right-wing Sharron Angle crowd is behind this.

It all goes to show you the power of brainwashing, doesn't it?

Yup yup sure does.

 

[altlover85]

^I understand that, but it still seems odd to me.

To give you an analogy, let's say you said something to anger me. Instead of coming after you, I go to London and beat up your first cousin....It doesn't serve a purpose...

It all goes to show you the power of brainwashing, doesn't it?

If they were anti-US Checnyan Muslims, then it does make sense that they would attack the US.

 

[JayHawk]

But Chechnya is in Russia! And it is Russia who has bombed their towns, murdered their civilians, raped their women.

I know a woman who grew up in the Soviet Union who shed a whole lot of light on the problem. There are a lot of issues involved, but none of the involve the US.

We have given asylum to their persecuted refugees. That and in Chechnya the paper reported a 'strange' link to Chechnya because of the perpetrators. So if the Chechen people cannot understand a connection then i doubt we will make sense of their terrifying attack on Boston.

 

[RaKroma]

Welcome to current events. Why did Egyptian and Saudi males with masters degrees fly into Twin Towers on 9/11. U.S. did not bomb any of these countries. Why did Richard Reid try to smuggle liquid explosives in his shoes on a plane and murder a 100+ people. It doesn't make sense too since he is a British born guy who converted to Islam later in his life. Last time U.S. fought with Britain was in 1812. The only common thread between all these terrorist suspects with different ethnic backgrounds and countries of origins and numerous others that were disrupted over the past 12 years is that overwhelming majority is associated with Muslim faith and ties to international radical groups that espouse militant Islam. Westboro Baptist Church is a joke compared to lone wolves that turn so toxic in their beliefs thanks to listening to some Imams that they willingly plan and execute murderous sprees against innocent people around the world.

 

[JayHawk]

Welcome to current events. Why did Egyptian and Saudi males with masters degrees fly into Twin Towers on 9/11. U.S. did not bomb any of these countries. Why did Richard Reid try to smuggle liquid explosives in his shoes on a plane and murder a 100+ people. It doesn't make sense too since he is a British born guy who converted to Islam later in his life. Last time U.S. fought with Britain was in 1812. The only common thread between all these terrorist suspects with different ethnic backgrounds and countries of origins and numerous others that were disrupted over the past 12 years is that overwhelming majority is associated with Muslim faith and ties to international radical groups that espouse militant Islam. Westboro Baptist Church is a joke compared to lone wolves that turn so toxic in their beliefs thanks to listening to some Imams that they willingly plan and execute murderous sprees against innocent people around the world.

Agreed but I think in this instance Muslim know how provided the tools but not the motivation. The investigation will flesh that out. Just seems odd.

I also think the younger was not convinced if the cause because otherwise he would have went out like his brother did instead of cowering in a boat until cuffed and cared for so he can stand trial.

 

[justanothershyguy]

That's not exactly even just "current" events in the U.S....

Japanese Americans had the very same issue, and probably even worse following the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

 

[RaKroma]

Agreed but I think in this instance Muslim know how provided the tools but not the motivation. The investigation will flesh that out. Just seems odd.

I also think the younger was not convinced if the cause because otherwise he would have went out like his brother did instead of cowering in a boat until cuffed and cared for so he can stand trial.

It's likely that his older brother was ran over by the younger brother to death during escape. The mother of suspects gave an interview where she admitted that FBI agents interviewed both brothers on 3 different occasions since 2011 because FBI received an alert from a "foreign country" to check them out because that country felt they were up to no good with possible links to Islamist groups. The feds just did not find anything suspicious enough then. But it's funny how these "lone wolves" do get on radar of government agencies sometime in their lives. 9/11 hijackers were also in government data bases; agents did follow some of them but could not establish links.

 

[altlover85]

But Chechnya is in Russia! And it is Russia who has bombed their towns, murdered their civilians, raped their women.

I know a woman who grew up in the Soviet Union who shed a whole lot of light on the problem. There are a lot of issues involved, but none of the involve the US.

Who's to say that their issue was with Russia? One of them supposedly said he didn't understand America. So to me, that means he more than likely had an issue with the US than with Russia.

Agreed but I think in this instance Muslim know how provided the tools but not the motivation. The investigation will flesh that out. Just seems odd.

I also think the younger was not convinced if the cause because otherwise he would have went out like his brother did instead of cowering in a boat until cuffed and cared for so he can stand trial.

The reason why the brother didn't do all out may have been due to a difference in termperament. And yes, it does seem like the younger brother wasn't as radicalized, but it may have been that the religious radicalization caused the older brother to plan this and then the younger brother got caught up in things because he looked up to his older brother.

 

[JayHawk]

It's likely that his older brother was ran over by the younger brother to death during escape. The mother of suspects gave an interview where she admitted that FBI agents interviewed both brothers on 3 different occasions since 2011 because FBI received an alert from a "foreign country" to check them out because that country felt they were up to no good with possible links to Islamist groups. The feds just did not find anything suspicious enough then. But it's funny how these "lone wolves" do get on radar of government agencies sometime in their lives. 9/11 hijackers were also in government data bases; agents did follow some of them but could not establish links.

I agree with your assessment that the older had made some contacts in radical Islam. the younger I had not heard of being interviewed or having any link besides his brother. Still I think the lessons the older gained were in how to use tools like making a bomb. He was also becoming devout and radical as time went by... so i could be entirely wrong.

Who's to say that their issue was with Russia? One of them supposedly said he didn't understand America. So to me, that means he more than likely had an issue with the US than with Russia.



The reason why the brother didn't do all out may have been due to a difference in temperament. And yes, it does seem like the younger brother wasn't as radicalized, but it may have been that the religious radicalization caused the older brother to plan this and then the younger brother got caught up in things because he looked up to his older brother.

I think the younger would have never done this had the older been deported when he domestically abused and was convicted of such act...

You what the Major lesson of Boston is so far for me??

America has NO cause to which we can all stand together unless we are being blown to bits.

 

[altlover85]

I think the younger would have never done this had the older been deported when he domestically abused and was convicted of such act...

You what the Major lesson of Boston is so far for me??

America has NO cause to which we can all stand together unless we are being blown to bits.

I agree with you on both points.

 

[pat grimshaw]

...America has NO cause to which we can all stand together unless we are being blown to bits.

Isn't a President supposed to do that? Richard Blanco's poem at the last inauguration kept on stressing 'oneness', 'unity', 'together' etc etc.

 

[altlover85]

Isn't a President supposed to do that? Richard Blanco's poem at the last inauguration kept on stressing 'oneness', 'unity', 'together' etc etc.

In a country as partisan as the US, I think it would be very difficult for a president to unite the public.

 

[JayHawk]

Isn't a President supposed to do that? Richard Blanco's poem at the last inauguration kept on stressing 'oneness', 'unity', 'together' etc etc.

nice way to work in a poltical jab so as to reinforce the point.

I'm not so sure about that. There was a groundswell of the Great Unwashed when the prospect of Twinkies falling into extinction reared its ugly head.

Yeah... but who doesnt like to have a twinkie in their mouth?

** waits patiently for the bears and others to raise hands... **

 

[pat grimshaw]

nice way to work in a poltical jab so as to reinforce the point. ...

It's also a political/artistic point; my discussion group is doing the Richard Blanco poem this month.

 

[LeicsDom]

^I understand that, but it still seems odd to me.

To give you an analogy, let's say you said something to anger me. Instead of coming after you, I go to London and beat up your first cousin....It doesn't serve a purpose...

Terrorism is never logical

 

[LeicsDom]

But Chechnya is in Russia! And it is Russia who has bombed their towns, murdered their civilians, raped their women.

I know a woman who grew up in the Soviet Union who shed a whole lot of light on the problem. There are a lot of issues involved, but none of the involve the US.

The US is often the visible face of Western degenracy to miltant Muslims

 

[LeicsDom]

Leics, I don't know if I may have misinterpreted your post a little while back, but it seemed that you implied that I myself was brainwashed.

If so, please keep in mind that 1)I used to be a rigorous Republican myself, and left the party when the Religiotards took over and 2)when I realized "trickle-down" economics didn't work.

I think a lot of Englishmen make an erroneous comparison between the Republicans and the Tories. This comparison insults the Tories, because the Republican Party of today sits very far to the right of the Tories.

If I have misinterpreted your post, my apologies.

Which post?

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He shoots himself in the mouth. What does he think he's going to do. Take out his tonsil. Go for the head dude.

I think that was a botched attempt to blow his brains out. He should be grateful he didn't shoot his dick off!

 

[pat grimshaw]

The US is often the visible face of Western degenracy to miltant Muslims

It has to be said that the US is often the visible face of Western degeneracy to the rest of the world.

1. Look at most of the world struggling for food and look at the typical US citizen who is most likely to be morbidly obese.
2. Look at current US pop culture 'celebrities' —Hilton, Kanye, KrisBrown, Kardashian— as examples of amoral 'degeneracy'.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

One thing I heard on the radio today that I didn't know is the cops caught the older brother, and the younger one backed over him with the van intentionally, killing him... so he wouldn't go to prison???

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

One thing I heard on the radio today that I didn't know is the cops caught the older brother, and the younger one backed over him with the van intentionally, killing him... so he wouldn't go to prison???

Islamic terrorists aren't exactly known for their high moral standards.