Oregon Shooting - Not again!

[maxpowr9]

You should never be allowed to touch a weapon, and neither should anyone else that hasn't proven an actual need for it and given permission to own it.

I actually earned my American Archer through camp [and taught archery at said camp too] when I was a teen could quite easily kill something with my composite bow. I never would of course but like most liberals, they have an irrational fear of weapons. Weapons don't kill people but the people that wield them do. Gun laws should prevent the mentally unstable and the felons from possessing them.

 

[Rolyo85]

Any situation where permission is required is indicative that the people have lost their freedom, because it's usurpation of a basic right.

And need is easy to prove: the violent crime rate is not zero.

Yeah yeah yeah. Let's not, shall we?

 

[Rolyo85]

100% wrong, yet again.

100% right, yet again.

 

[Rolyo85]

I actually earned my American Archer through camp [and taught archery at said camp too] when I was a teen could quite easily kill something with my composite bow. I never would of course but like most liberals, they have an irrational fear of weapons. Weapons don't kill people but the people that wield them do. Gun laws should prevent the mentally unstable and the felons from possessing them.

The fear of a large quantity of firearms in the general population is anything but irrational. Liberals are just the only ones using their brain rather than their cowboy hats when considering the issue. And I'd say the paranoia that brings about the insistence to arm ourselves is much more indicative of fear really. As for ways to kill someone, you should see how proficient I am with a throwing knife

 

[chance1]

You should never be allowed to touch a weapon, and neither should anyone else that hasn't proven an actual need for it and given permission to own it.

Lol

In America we have this thing

Called

The bill of rights

If not avail

Try the constitution

Other than that you're spot on

Check please

 

[Just_Believe18]

I'm all for the right to bear arms; however, I find it appalling that a maniac can so easily find access to and steal an assault rifle. It's like they grow on trees.

This was terrible to hear about as it does hit close to home. There's a problem in this country. These mass murder and suicide shootings are becoming too commonplace. We are failing as a society here either in taking care of our citizens and preventing harm to others, or making it easy for them to gain access to weapons of mass destruction.

 

[T-Rexx]

So if I'd been there and armed, knowing it made no sense for me to act, I would have kept cover and had my sidearm out for two reasons: just in case the situation changed, and in case police moving in on him needed support.

Good work.

The police love it when unknown armed persons in confusing panic situations start shooting on their behalf.

 

[palemale]

There should be no gun laws at all. I've never owned a gun. Never felt the need. But, should I feel that need to purchase one, I should have the right to go to a gun shop and buy one without the government ever being aware of the transaction.

So you would support the right of convicted felons, drug lords, psychotics, sociopaths, minors, Al Queda members, members of street gangs and spouse abusers to purchase guns, bazookas, tomahawk missiles, etc.? And we're surprised that the Republican Party has a one way ticket to the ash heap of history.

 

[andysayshi]

I recall that, at the Tucson massacre, a man named Joe Zamudio ran out of a drug store with his own gun in his hand, ready to fire. By his own admission he was a split second from shooting the first man with a gun he saw. Trouble was, that second guy was the guy who took the gun AWAY from the real gunman.

The real gunman was apprehended and restrained by unarmed people. The nearest armed civilian came within an inch of killing one of the heroes of the day.

Armed civilians certainly didn't make anyone safer in Tucson that day.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4101889...ords-hero-nearly-shot-wrong-man/#.UMna5KUsrVs

 

[andysayshi]

Gun laws should prevent the mentally unstable and the felons from possessing them.

Unfortunately, it's the very laws that would prevent such people carrying guns that the NRA fight against. Most gun advocates share the opinion of Henry Reardon above: open slather, no rules, everyone gets a gun if they want one. You're not a danger to society until after you shoot someone.

 

[Spiff]

All this gunslinging is starting to become a routine thing. We're going back to the wild west.

 

[White Eagle]

Someone from my town was there, but not anyone I know.

I agree; if it weren't for the right to keep and bear arms, I'd ban long guns within city limits. But the choice of weapon is up to the individual; that's an outgrowth of self-ownership.

OTOH a fellow Pink Pistol maintains that all firearms carried in public should be long arms at least a yard in length, because it would be obvious who and how many were armed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre

The Luby's massacre was a mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas, United States when George Hennard[1] (born October 15, 1956) drove his pickup truck into a Luby's cafeteria and shot 23 people to death while wounding another 20, subsequently committing suicide by shooting himself. It was the deadliest shooting rampage in American history until the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.

--snip--

Hennard also approached 32-year-old Suzanna Hupp and her parents. Hupp reached for her .38 revolver in her purse, only to realize she had left it in her vehicle.

I lived near this and recall the woman saying she could have stopped this but she left her gun in her purse and the purse was in the car.
I didn't realize it was the deadliest until Va Tech.
I suppose carrying would be best IF the person carrying has proper training.

 

[HenryReardon]

So you would support the right of convicted felons, drug lords, psychotics, sociopaths, minors, Al Queda members, members of street gangs and spouse abusers to purchase guns, bazookas, tomahawk missiles, etc.? .

Do you seriously believe that gun control laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals? Get serious.

 

[Kulindahr]

I actually earned my American Archer through camp [and taught archery at said camp too] when I was a teen could quite easily kill something with my composite bow. I never would of course but like most liberals, they have an irrational fear of weapons. Weapons don't kill people but the people that wield them do. Gun laws should prevent the mentally unstable and the felons from possessing them.

We already have those. Bizarrely, the people arguably most likely to meet a felon trying to get a gun are gun dealers, yet those dealers are not deputized so they can make an arrest right there. They have to resort to subterfuge, like my friend "Dan the bangstick man" in his shop one day; when he ran the background check and it showed a felony, he told the guy there was a delay, then signaled me to block the guy's car in while my buddy called the cops. The cops knew the drill; they parked at the next store over, out of view, and came up quietly. Then Dan announced the system had responded, getting the guy's attention, while the cops moved in. When Dan asked, "Did you know you have a felony conviction?" the guy responded "Um, yeah, but--" That was as far as he got; a cop grabbed him from each side, because he'd essentially just confessed to a felony. I asked Dan afterward what he'd have done if we hadn't been there, and he said the only thing he could have done was let the guy walk and call the cops with the car plate number.

That's why while something like a hundred thousand felons were prevented from buying weapons while Clinton was in office, the number of arrests was negligible.

Deputize the dealers!

 

[Just_Believe18]

There should be no gun laws at all. I've never owned a gun. Never felt the need. But, should I feel that need to purchase one, I should have the right to go to a gun shop and buy one without the government ever being aware of the transaction.

This is why you can't be taken seriously. No gun laws at all? Do you have any idea the implications of that statement and what it means just from a law enforcement perspective? I just don't understand how you can make such broad, sweeping generalizations about important issues without cause or reason to your viewpoints. Without gun laws, violent, convicted felons could go to any gun store and purchase one. You'd have no regulation of a secondary market of people reselling guns to anyone they wanted to if they could buy them by bulk at a store. Without gun laws, any kind of gun would be available to consumers, including automatic assault rifles and other military grade weapons that are used for killing large amounts of people quickly, not hunting animals or protecting your person from a single assault. You would have no age limit of who could purchase a gun, and everyone could be walking around openly exposing their weapon in public to everyone else. You'd have guns in schools, hospitals, and any public place imaginable.

 

[HenryReardon]

. Without gun laws, violent, convicted felons could go to any gun store and purchase one..

With gun laws felons can buy all the guys they lie in the underground economy/black market, so what's the difference?

 

[HenryReardon]

I love how the right wing logic applies to gun rights but not marijuana.

If you want to go off on a tangent and talk about marijuana, start a thread.

 

[andysayshi]

Mass murders, especially those that target random victims, are quite rare.

Quite right.

What's not rare is women being killed by their partners and ex partners in the US. Around 70 percent of deaths in domestic violence incidents in the US are caused by guns. Three women are killed by a partner or ex partner with a gun every day in the US. Women who live in a household where guns are kept are at substantially greater statistical likelihood of being killed in a domestic violence incident. Domestic violence assaults involving a firearm are 12 times more likely to result in death than those involving other weapons or bodily force.

http://smartgunlaws.org/the-difference-a-gun-makes/#more-21499

Even more common are suicide gun deaths. Over 50% of all suicides in the US are committed with a firearm. On average, 49 gun suicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010. A study of California handgun purchasers found that in the first year after the purchase of a handgun, suicide was the leading cause of death among the purchasers. More than 75% of guns used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries of 0-19 year-olds were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend. The risk of successful suicide increases in homes where guns are kept loaded and/or unlocked.

http://smartgunlaws.org/category/gun-studies-statistics/gun-violence-statistics/

 

[Just_Believe18]

With gun laws felons can buy all the guys they lie in the underground economy/black market, so what's the difference?

That's a ridiculous generalization and assumption. So let's just make it easier for violent, convicted felons to buy an automatic assault rifle (legal in your world) because they'll probably put in the effort and difficulty to get on the "black market" anyway?

 

[Kulindahr]

With gun laws felons can buy all the guys they lie in the underground economy/black market, so what's the difference?

Henry has a point here, guys. When I once happened to be in "felony flats" in Portland, the topic of guns came up in a conversation with some guys who lived there. It turned out that every one of the group, from age 15 to age 22, had a handgun, which they were happy to show off. When I asked prices on a couple of the guns, those were lower than I knew they'd been in the nearby K-Mart. Now, over on the coast, the guns aren't quite that easy to get, and the prices are definitely more than in a store, and I've never bumped into anyone as young as 15 packing one (except on their dads' farms). But I know for a fact that at least three of those gun owners were felons, risking prison by even having one.

Maybe extrapolating from a city of 'only' a million people doesn't work, but I can't believe it's much harder to get guns in bigger cities with nastier crime.


But my point that this society is nowhere near being able to handle a situation with no gun laws at all still stands.