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Ouija Board--Real or Fake?

Pretty simple phenomenon.

The Ouija Board and all similar games work based on the concept of the movements of two or more autonomous and subtle users who are oblivious to the movements of the other. Both users hold onto the item with the mindset that it may move on its own. When one person inevitably moves the item just slightly (fatigue, nervousness, etc.) the other person will interpret that as a movement happening outside of his or her control. This causes that individual to react and also shift the object slightly and subtly, which causes the same feeling of autonomous movement for the original user. The physical reactions of both users cause the other to believe that "someone else" is moving the item. And basically, it's true. "Someone else" is moving it--the other person. But all the movements are reactive, slight, and non-purposive and masked by the reactive movements of the other. So if one user feels the movements of the partner (movement A) and reacts slightly causing the other user to feel movement B and asks, "Did you feel that?" (meaning movement A), the other user will be able to say, "Yeah," (referring to movement B) and so on and so forth.

This is why the game requires two or more people--to give autonomous movement free of "all" users. The game doesn't work with one person using both hands because subtle movements from both hands would still feel within the control of the only player.

This is the same with all sorts of variations of the game, such as Japan's "Angel-San" which became very popular among school kids. The concept was that you take a sheet of paper and draw out letters, numbers, and characters and two "players" hold onto a pen or a coin and "wait" for it to point to something. Because of the fine motor skills necessary to grip or press a pen, coin, or cheap piece of tear-shaped plastic, the subtle movements of the arm and hand from one user causes another in the second user and so together they "move" seemingly randomly or by "another force." Even the concept of an object "jutting violently away" can be explained by the worked up mindset after prolonged play and growing muscle fatigue resulting in a less organized and jarring movement that appears to be out of the control of the tired player and completely out of the control of the other player.

Of course, this is all further facilitated by the fact that people playing have the predisposed mindset that "something" could or will happen and when it "does," it only confirms their beliefs that something metaphysical has happened. In any normal context where two people are doing something that requires fine motor skills together, they would otherwise assume that any misdirection (such as painting calligraphy together) was just caused by differing actions between two independent minds trying to act as one.

This also explains why many players report that even if there was movement, the "message" was a bunch of gibberish, with no cohesive words being constructed. The "Yes and No" question is contaminated by the fact that the letters only have to be hit once to constitute an "answer" and that the subconscious answer from both users will be more likely to cause them to move to one of the two options. The breakdown really occurs when complex answers need to be given and that makes it less feasible for a system working on random slight movement reactions and fine motor skills to create something meaningful.

Try it--grab a pencil or paintbrush and with a friend, try to write out a sentence together, with you and a friend holding the pencil together with your writing hands (one over the other or however). It will feel like "something else" is moving it. In the case where you both know what you're trying to write together, it will be more obvious, but if you decide to just hold it and see what you end up marking on the page, it will feel more uncontrolled and random.

I imagine that if you and a partner had to do this same set up but using focus through placing both your feet on a gigantic item on a proportionally large board with both of you sitting in rolling chairs until it moved around, you'd get nothing. Similarly, if you didn't have a partner, you might get movement from fatigue in your two hands, but you wouldn't "feel" the other.
 
Well I hear the authentic hand made ones (not marketed) are much better. I just don't know if I feel like making one... :rolleyes:

But it's still just a game. It's promoted as a 'spiritual conduit' so they can charge you 4 easy instalments of $49.95 (plus shipping and handling and applicable taxes).

Read up on the history of the board. It was invented by confidence men taking advantage of Victorian people desperate enough to contact the deceased and foolish enough to be conned out of all that money.
 
Oh my god !! Oh my god !!! YES IT WORKS !!!!




LOOL
well it's a game IMO, you wont get anything out of that... unless... ;)
 
Totally real. I'm not kidding. My friend and I were using it, and we asked the spirits to send us a sign, and the planchette spelled out:

XGIXBJNQ

That freaked us the hell out.

Lex
 
I think they're a wicked fun source of spooky entertainment, but I do not believe they're anything more than just that - for entertainment. Still, I think every home should have one.
 
>>>There is always people being a skeptic. Just like religious people give a convincing speech how gays are going to hell and how AIDs was created to punish them by god himself.

Only in 21st century America could we have "having active skeptics" as proof positive.

Lex
 
Totally real. I'm not kidding. My friend and I were using it, and we asked the spirits to send us a sign, and the planchette spelled out:

XGIXBJNQ

That freaked us the hell out.

Lex

Ooh, now you've done it... :grrr: I'm gonna be sitting here all day
trying to decipher and make sense out of XGIXBJNQ :spank:
 
It isn't that the Ouija Board is real or fake. The real problem is the naive opening to evil it can lead too seemingly innocently. The old saying, "Play with fire, sooner or later you will get burnt."

There are a lot more interesting fun things to do, and at JUB I would imagine most of us can think of a long list.

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I would never try it. Of course I'm curious too but seriously I just don't have the balls to do it. I don't care if people say its fake to me I don't want to take the risk and messing with something out of my control. I personally think it works.
 
I would never try it. Of course I'm curious too but seriously I just don't have the balls to do it. I don't care if people say its fake to me I don't want to take the risk and messing with something out of my control. I personally think it works.
 
Then do it without the board and just use any small item and you'll have just as much fun.
 
Doesn't have to be real to be dangerous. Could just be bad for your mind.

I say leave it alone.
 
Let me present a few questions for you to ponder:

Do you believe that there might actually be such things as spirits or demons?

Do you think that it might actually be possible to communicate with them?

What if, just supposing, it were possible that there are unseen beings or entities around us, perhaps hovering as near as your shoulder, and all they need is for someone to be open and willing enough to grant them access into this world.

And what if, once they had that access, into your life, into your house, they refused to leave?

Is it worth the risk?

Read this criticism of Ouija boards on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija#Criticism_of_ouija_boards
 
Ooh, now you've done it... :grrr: I'm gonna be sitting here all day
trying to decipher and make sense out of XGIXBJNQ :spank:

The Xs are spaces. It means you're supposed to give a blowjob (BJ) to a soldier (GI) and not stop 'til he cums (NQ - No Quitting).

Give me any sequence of letters (not repeating any letter more than twice, and up to ten letters (because I don't have infinite time)) and I'll tell you what it means. It will be complete bullshit, like the above, but who cares?
 
Kevbo, I have to agree with Madonna on this one.

I see a strong common thread between religious people and skeptics. The common thread? Narrow-mindedness. To both groups, reality IS a certain way, and there are no ifs, ands, or buts about it, no room for philosophical disagreement.

Look inside yourself and admit it.

Please know that I am just advocating for the devil.

I don't have all the answers - no one does.

I think we can all agree that there are many things that we will never truly understand. For instance, I don't think we will ever truly understand the power of the human mind, but we will also never truly understand the paranormal.

Ouija boards are definitely a tool of communication. Whether someone is communicating with the subconscious mind or spirits, we will probably never know.
 
Nothing about the quiji board really makes sense. Its a board with some letters and a planchette that can contact the dead. Just cardboard and plastic, manufactured in a factory, nothing spiritual was done with it, hell the keyboard I'm typing with is just as spiritual as a quiji board. Surely you don't need a board, just get a piece of paper, scribble down the letters and it'll work just as well. No need to pay money.

But the reason why someone would be willing to pay the money is because it gets you into the mind set, gets you into the spooky groove. An actual quija board also has expectation. Your more likely to think a manufactored quija board will work than a home made one, just because you payed more money for it and its "professional". Things are more likely to happen if you expect them to happen with the quija board.

I now want to do an experiment where I compare the activity recieved via a manufactured quija board and a home made one. Though of course believers in quija boards would just say that it does matter what you use, giving some lame excuse like the priestess of Selome in the Penn and Teller video.

Also why do people ask questions about the future to a quija board? Why would a civil war veteran or an old man who died of a heart attack know when you'd be getting married?
 
Truthfully just believe what you want to believe. My friend and I have used it before. Some times it's moved other's it hasn't. Nothing has happened to us yet. Well we did find someone's dog that was missing. So that was actually pretty cool. LOL!

But you'll only know if you try it yourself.
 
I now want to do an experiment where I compare the activity recieved via a manufactured quija board and a home made one. Though of course believers in quija boards would just say that it does matter what you use, giving some lame excuse like the priestess of Selome in the Penn and Teller video.

Also why do people ask questions about the future to a quija board? Why would a civil war veteran or an old man who died of a heart attack know when you'd be getting married?

O-U-I-J-A.

In my humble opinion (informed by, among other things, 20 years leading a Wiccan coven), what you use matters only to the extent that nice things make you feel more formal, more magical; something really old is impressive, and helps you reach to deeper parts of your mind. In my experience; your mileage may vary. But watch the hush that falls over people as they walk under the T-Rex skeleton at the Museum of Natural History, and realize (as some of us do) that those bones were already turning to stone when our ancestors were tiny ratlike creatures.
 
Let me present a few questions for you to ponder:

Do you believe that there might actually be such things as spirits or demons?

Do you think that it might actually be possible to communicate with them?

Spirits or demons ?

Hmm. I'm not sure, frankly. I do believe in darkness and light, in terms of energies that are all around us.

Not in a bullshitty Christian way with Jesus and Satan, but I suppose closer to "the force" referenced in Star Wars. I think most people know right from wrong, evil from good and such. A person can feel when they are doing the right thing and when they are not. That's inbred in all of us.

I think the reason people get so impassioned about the subject of Ouija boards is that used correctly it can tap into our subconscious mind, which is not always a pleasant place to be.

Do I think "spirits" are guiding that little magnifying piece across the board ? No. I think it's our own wishes and desires to tap into a realm we don't quite understand, even though it exists inside of us.

But, careful what you wish for... You might not be happy with the results.
 
The Ouija board was created for money making purposes. Used by charlatans and fakes to con witless people out of money.

Things like this only effect those with weak wills and or simple minds. People willing to believe anything told to them.

If you and your friends gather round the ouija board and someone moves the planchette giving simple answers to simple questions that you WANT to hear then it worked for its purpose.

But then...

You get home and sit at your computer and a pencil rolls off it ...instead of seeing the natural, normal explanation of such occurrences ie. the more you move your wrist on the desk the more the pencil has moved so just then it was close to the edge and fell off, you immediately jump to the paranormal explanation that some evil spirit must have been let loose when you talked to the piece of plastic you bought at toys r us to justify your belief in a silly sleepover game.

but like P.T. Barnum once said.... "There's a sucker born every minute."
 
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