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Ouija Board--Real or Fake?

If it's the spirits and not the people who are moving the planchette, why do people have to hold it?

Skeptics will ask that question.

Believers will answer that question by saying the spirits are guiding the peoples' hands.

If you believe in it, then it will work for you. If you don't believe in it, then it will never be anything more than a toy.
 
Here are more examples of Ouija board stories. If the board is merely a toy, why are there so many varied experiences?

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa112700a.htm

All that means is people perseive it to be working, though doesn't mean people are actually contacting ghosts. Then there's the possibility that people lie :o, bastards. There are large amounts of U.F.O sightings, ghost stories even werewolf sightings, peoples tales don't constitute as evidence.

Interesting point on U.F.O sightings, there was a study done that found out that U.F.O sightings increased after a big movie or T.V program about aliens and U.F.O's.
 
Here are more examples of Ouija board stories. If the board is merely a toy, why are there so many varied experiences?

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa112700a.htm


Might I suggest a trip to the public library?

There you will find at your disposal thousands of volumes of stories which, despite their verisimilitude, are in fact fictional. In another section of the library, you may find tomes detailing the incredibly complex workings of human psychology, and perhaps even several books on rhetoric and logic that will help you understand why your argument isn't worth the bandwidth you used to post it.
 
Oh, ye of little faith.

The Ouija board is real and so are its powers.


Only if you believe they are real and you let your mind become warped into thinking that it's real...

Same goes for ALL faith based things...

It's called faith and belief because there is absolutely NO solid scientific proof that any of it is real.


NONE !!!!


You want to blindly follow fictitious accounts by people who have been lead on and duped into thinking these things are real then follow away like a good sheep .. but don't try to tell others that it is real when there is absolutely no way for you to truly back your claims other than possibly your own account which is tainted by your own belief in something.

You wouldn't like it if a Christian person told you that the bible is truly real and true because their faith and naivete makes them believe that so don't turn around and do the same thing to people because your faith and naivete make you think that a common toy is a gateway for spirits and demons.
 
All that means is people perseive it to be working, though doesn't mean people are actually contacting ghosts. Then there's the possibility that people lie :o, bastards. There are large amounts of U.F.O sightings, ghost stories even werewolf sightings, peoples tales don't constitute as evidence.

Interesting point on U.F.O sightings, there was a study done that found out that U.F.O sightings increased after a big movie or T.V program about aliens and U.F.O's.

Springdale, Arkansas - 9:30 PM October 15...LONG POST ALERT!!!!!!!!!!

Heck, OF COURSE there's more sightings of UFO's after such showings, especially the ones which are blockbusters or are watched by a lot of people. For a while after, many people are more aware of the skies around them, and people are therefore looking more. If there are any UFO's in the sky in any locality, people are more likely to see them during a period of time after these shows/movies.

Part of the "instructions" to using an Ouija Board is that the players relax fully, and put themselves into a state which is quasi-trance-like. Following the instructions results in similar effects on the mind as hypnosis (though not as fully so), or meditation while using a mantra. People who have properly followed the Ouija instructions have put themselves into an altered state of consciousness. I feel that makes people somewhat more susceptible to the unseen forces which ARE out there, and which surround us at all times.

I believe that enough of the usual mental control is relinquished, that the forces can interact with the SUBCONSCIOUS part of our brains, and with the "voluntary" motor component of the brain fully relaxed (assuming instructions are followed accurately), the subconscious can transmit its own motor controls. I believe the spirits are working, therefore, via our subconscious minds - and we're pretty much at their mercy, not being aware of "how" we will be told to move the planchette.

There are many stories about Ouija boards NOT working, as well. Some people may NEVER be able to suppress their conscious and motor parts of their brains enough (and both must be suppressed!) to obey what movements are being directed by the subconscious. I know that as a kid I tried Ouija 3 or 4 times, and I was never able to get anything out of it, but I also recognize that I was never able to suppress the normally-dominant parts of my consciousness.

The fact that the Ouija board is usually made cheaply, out of cardboard and plastic, in a factory somewhere, is NOT the point. The point is that, once the subconscious is channeled into relaying these messages, the message has to be given in a way that we can understand. Without the letters and numbers on the Ouija board, we can't be aware enough of the spiritual message to understand what it's telling us. The motor controls via the subconscious allow the messages to be spelled out, and at that point we can understand what "it" is saying.

No, the Ouija board IS NOT talking to us. Its only purpose is to serve as a medium which "decodes" what the subconscious is trying to relay to us, whatever the message is, which originates from the spiritual world.

I assure you that not all the Ouija stories (or UFO stories, ghost tales, etc.) are real. The very nature of these stories is SENSATIONALISM, and many humans thrive on things that are "sensational." We see proof of that in the media every day, especially if we are to look at the ratings that various media shows and publications get.

But I furthermore assure you that some of these stories ARE REAL. There's a lot of stuff out there that's really happening, which "seems crazy" to those who have world views based on science and empirical evidence. But I also know some people who are indeed not only spiritual, but I actually know at least two West Coast friends who routinely experience extrasensory things. (One is in frequent communication with his deceased soulmate, and his deceased soulmate intervened blatantly to foil my friend's suicide when things were their bleakest.) Both of these guys are very intelligent and very logical people, and I am absolutely sure that, what they tell me, accurately describes what they are experiencing.

I believe strongly that we are all BORN with this extrasensory spiritual awareness. However, only the most minuscule % of us have ever been taught (in childhood!) how to harness or use it, or that it even exists. I also feel that extrasensory awareness is one of those "use it or lose it" things - just like muscle mass. We're not taught as children, and even when a child talks about something regarding such an experience it's usually not even recognized as such, and it generally falls on deaf ears. I believe this gift, which we're all born with, withers away in 99.9% (or similar) of people, because the child doesn't get any reinforcement from other people (parents, etc.) to keep using it and it atrophies.

I strongly believe, also, that SOME of the children who have "imaginary playmates or friends" are recalling the scant shreds of memories from a previous life, or perhaps in touch with a departed (and usually benevolent) spirit. My younger brother had such a friend named PATTY before he was in kindergarten, and I was never aware of anybody named Patty among any relatives or friends of my family, nor in any of the TV media that he would have seen, so where did that name come from?

I had an extrasensory [ghost in my house] experience myself 16 or 17 years ago, but it's something which has been exceptionally rare for me. On the other hand, I know there's been a couple of times (years ago, thankfully) that I was falling asleep at the wheel, and somehow I found myself taking a freeway exit which, IN NO POSSIBLE WAY, was I conscious of using. No, I was GUIDED to those exits. I've had minor mindreading things happen with good friends on rare occasions, but it's all very rudimentary and basic.

The spiritual world was proven to about 25,000 of us in 1991 when I was at a Rainbow Tribes gathering in central Vermont. It's a 4th-of-July that I'll always remember. This was a huge gathering of hippies and ex-hippies, free spirits and the like (even some bikers etc.). There's always a drum circle on that date, and a noontime "om" for world peace. I was told beforehand to be open to possibly seeing a rainbow (in full circle) form around the Sun. I thought that was rubbish until, indeed, about 35 minutes after the OM began, some of the clouds moved away and A RAINBOW DID INDEED CIRCLE THE SUN. I don't think this was a coincidence, and it's the only time in my lifetime I've seen a full-circle solar rainbow. Yes, there were about 25,000 people there in the National Forest. And, that entire day, I ran around entirely nude.

Be careful with the Ouija board! None of us really know entirely what's out there.
 
The spiritual world was proven to about 25,000 of us in 1991 when I was at a Rainbow Tribes gathering in central Vermont. It's a 4th-of-July that I'll always remember. This was a huge gathering of hippies and ex-hippies, free spirits and the like (even some bikers etc.). There's always a drum circle on that date, and a noontime "om" for world peace. I was told beforehand to be open to possibly seeing a rainbow (in full circle) form around the Sun. I thought that was rubbish until, indeed, about 35 minutes after the OM began, some of the clouds moved away and A RAINBOW DID INDEED CIRCLE THE SUN. I don't think this was a coincidence, and it's the only time in my lifetime I've seen a full-circle solar rainbow. Yes, there were about 25,000 people there in the National Forest. And, that entire day, I ran around entirely nude.

Be careful with the Ouija board! None of us really know entirely what's out there.


I call this the power of suggestion... you were told what to look for beforehand and low and behold you saw it... because you wanted to see it... and with so many hippies, ex-hippies and so forth you can't, in all honesty, tell me there wasn't any mind altering substances being passed around.

The same thing goes for spiritual occurrences... You are told that the Ouija is real, that it unlocks some secret gateway into the metaphysical realm and because of that you are already predisposed to think that something may or may not be there. So when normal mundane things happen you already think that there may be something else there and you instantly blame it on the supernatural without even considering the logical. A stray gust of wind from an opened door blows a drape and instantly it must have been a spirit.

When dealing with metaphysical occurrences it is, like you said, about the sensationalism of the mysteries that no one can explain that draw people to certain things. But because of that same sensationalism we have a tendency to WANT to believe in the supernatural over the logical so we instantly put logic to the wayside in order to validate our desire to believe in things that NO ONE can prove actually exists. Therefore we end up with mindless hysteria involving a game originally played by charlatans to bilk people out of money just so we can believe that we have experienced something "supernatural" to feel like we are part of something different and special when it usually (as in 99.9% of the time) has absolutely nothing to do with the supernatural and has everything to do with the natural and logical.


For example look at what you said about your friends failed suicide attempt... he was at his weakest... he NEEDED something to believe in to get him through his troubled times... if believing some spirits guided him out of his quagmire than it worked ... but the issue is that he was at his weakest and his mind was completely susceptible to hysterical and nonsensical whims... Logically there had to be a REAL explanation of what happened to make him back off but because his mind was weak he saw what he wanted to see not what he actually saw. Why do you think so many alcoholics turn to faith to get them through their addiction? For the same reason. They need a belief in something that isn't real to hold on to to help them through a very real problem.
 

Do you mean to say that you've not heard even a single person tell you that they're fake?
 
I see we're gearing up for Halloween with all the paranormal threads lately.

I've never used one (and never will) but my mother has once and by her account- they're real.

She and her friends thought it would be fun to mess around with it at a sleepover and were trying to contact "someone." While they had all they're hands on it the board lifted several inches off the floor and then fell. They threw it in the closet and slept in a different room. The girl bought it at a toy store because they were trendy during that time.

I don't think she made up this story (my mother isn't the lying type- especially to her children) and has told it the same way when I asked her about it several years later. You don't have to see or experience something to believe in it.
 
This is the way portals to evil open up, folks...

One day you're playing with a Ouija board you think is "fake and harmless", then the next thing you know you're out on the street giving handjobs for crack money.

Tale as old as time.
 
This is the way portals to evil open up, folks...

One day you're playing with a Ouija board you think is "fake and harmless", then the next thing you know you're out on the street giving handjobs for crack money.

Tale as old as time.

This is the style of humour that deserves a hand job.:=D:
 
I will not stay in a house if I know there is one there. I have never had a good experience with one. Even if I was only in the same room when someone else was using it.

My advice, don't do it. But that always makes people want to do it more. Just be careful.
 
I call this the power of suggestion... you were told what to look for beforehand and low and behold you saw it... because you wanted to see it... and with so many hippies, ex-hippies and so forth you can't, in all honesty, tell me there wasn't any mind altering substances being passed around.

For example look at what you said about your friends failed suicide attempt... he was at his weakest... he NEEDED something to believe in to get him through his troubled times... if believing some spirits guided him out of his quagmire than it worked ... but the issue is that he was at his weakest and his mind was completely susceptible to hysterical and nonsensical whims... Logically there had to be a REAL explanation of what happened to make him back off but because his mind was weak he saw what he wanted to see not what he actually saw.

However, in my case, I wasn't using any mind-altering substance at all...and I entirely know what I saw. It wasn't like it was something really faint and my mind had to "fill in the blanks" to even realize it was there. It was as visible as the most visible rainbows that we normally see - and I've never seen one of these at any other time in 62 years.

However, I'm not always paying attention, either. But I'm out and about enough, and I look around (and up) enough, that I'd think I'd see at least one more of these...

According to my friend, who was going to kill himself by driving off a cliff near the Coast, when he tried to turn the steering wheel so that he could head toward the cliff, THE STEERING WHEEL WOULD NOT BUDGE NO MATTER HOW HARD AND DESPERATELY HE TRIED to make a right turn, and he heard a voice telling him to "GO HOME, PAT." That's why I said the intervention was BLATANT - it's more than him "just" hearing a voice saying "PLEASE DON'T DO THIS" or something.
 
Given scientific theory regarding parallel universes and multiple dimensions (string theory), I think it is ignorant for anyone to believe that "natural and logical" comprises only what we currently see and know from our limited knowledge.

The Ouija board seems to be some vehicle/communicaton device to a darker unknown. True, some stories are bound to be fake. However, there are many more compelling stories also, too many to be ignored or dismissed.

Now there's a statement of rare common sense. You would make a fine scientist.
 
Given scientific theory regarding parallel universes and multiple dimensions (string theory), I think it is ignorant for anyone to believe that "natural and logical" comprises only what we currently see and know from our limited knowledge.

Given that they are only 'theories', it does not seem logical to expect us (notice that I did not say that it seems 'ignorant') to incorporate them into what we see and know.
 
Given that they are only 'theories', it does not seem logical to expect us (notice that I did not say that it seems 'ignorant') to incorporate them into what we see and know.

Thus Evolutionary Theory should not be factored into any equation, as a result of such research being merely a theory?
 
Thus Evolutionary Theory should not be factored into any equation, as a result of such research being merely a theory?

Not at all. I simply didn't appreciate the poster calling everybody who didn't agree with him 'ignorant'.
 
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