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[NickCole]

^Geez.

It's not about PC, it's about respect and coming together versus denigration and division.

"Redneck" generally refers to rural poor white people from the South or Appalachia (which extends into New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio) and those in other places who live/behave like that stereotype.

It's not a group like surfers or valley girls or sugar daddies. It's a class distinction, not a pop culture distinction.

Obama Democrats are being incredibly stupid in doing exactly what Obama did with his "bitter people who cling to guns and religion." Obama will not win without these people's votes --some are Republican but some are Democrats-- and this attacking will turn them off. People don't generally vote issues like Iraq, they vote "issues" like which candidate can they relate to, which do they feel will respect and address their concerns. (That's the reason some people appear to vote against their interests -- they vote "against" something others think is "their interest" but to them is a superficial thing, what they identify personally as their TRUE interests are what they've voting for.) The Dem "redneck" vote went to Hillary during the primaries, and the way Obama supporters are behaving it's going to go to McCain/Palin in the general.

 

[Lostlover]

Redneck is not a pop culture term. It goes back to the 17th Century. Modern American usage goes back at least to the 1920s.

As for Foxworthy, comedians using words and stereotype behavior they self-identify with is a time-honored tradition. Joan Rivers famously does material about Jews. Chris Rock does it about blacks, or as he puts it, "n-----s." Lots of gays and lesbians do it about gays. It's one thing for a redneck to joke about rednecks or an African American to joke about blacks, but it's different when we're talking about others. Even something like fat jokes are normally recognized as acceptably funny when an overweight person tells them but not so much when someone thin and beautiful tells them. It's the difference between self-deprecating humor and being mean and hurtful.

Your attempt to draw a distinction between ethnicity and redneck (which is a term that can be as derisive as n----r, and is perjorative when used by outsiders but "owned" by rednecks with the same kind of defiance and pride as n-----r is by some African Americans) is a distinction without difference because the point is the use of words and stereotype to denigrate and dismiss individuals and groups of people.







Exactly -- no more outraged than when Chris Rock does his n----r stand-up. But rednecks would be offended if Chris Rock did Foxworthy's redneck schtick and blacks would be offended if Foxworthy did Rock's n----r material.





You learned that redneck is a pop culture term during your four years of high school social studies? Which part of pop culture do you think the term "redneck" comes from -- do you think Jeff Foxworthy coined it?

Stop moralizing.

Equating f@ggot with redneck.

You're really reaching there.

And Marleyislegend, you have my full permission to use the term redneck. It is not a racially loaded term.

 

[Lostlover]

^ With all due respect, I do think that that's nonsense. It's takes a valid issue and trivializes it to absurd levels of political correctness.

Rednecks aren't a race, tribe , orientation or objects of irrational hatred or bigotry. It's a word like surfers or valley girls or MILFs or rich suger daddies, etc., etc. Sure these group words can be used offensively. But no one bothers too much about it, not because "rednecks" are powerless and treated with disrespect, but because it's just a group word that, for the most part, you can either choose to identify with or not.

As I think I said before, if you applied your logic, you'd never be allowed to use any collective noun because some individual or individuals might take exception to being caught up in it.

By the way, so you can be true to your own principles, can you stop using all "privileged heterosexual white males" as a denigrating and divisive overgeneralization that some of them might find offensive. LOL.

Exactly, and being a redneck or a MILK or a sugar daddy is all subjective. I'm sure the person being called a redneck would deny being a redneck because it's all conjecture on the name caller's part.

Can't really deny being black. Or being gay.

People have been killed by people calling the person an N word or the F word. I don't think rednecks are persecuted or killed.

NickCole is sinking and he's trying to grab anything to stay afloat.

 

[Spensed]

^Geez.

It's not about PC, it's about respect and coming together versus denigration and division.

"Redneck" generally refers to rural poor white people from the South or Appalachia (which extends into New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio) and those in other places who live/behave like that stereotype.

It's not a group like surfers or valley girls or sugar daddies. It's a class distinction, not a pop culture distinction.

Obama Democrats are being incredibly stupid in doing exactly what Obama did with his "bitter people who cling to guns and religion." Obama will not win without these people's votes --some are Republican but some are Democrats-- and this attacking will turn them off. People don't generally vote issues like Iraq, they vote "issues" like which candidate can they relate to, which do they feel will respect and address their concerns. (That's the reason some people appear to vote against their interests -- they vote "against" something others think is "their interest" but to them is a superficial thing, what they identify personally as their TRUE interests are what they've voting for.) The Dem "redneck" vote went to Hillary during the primaries, and the way Obama supporters are behaving it's going to go to McCain/Palin in the general.

You're projecting your own definition, which may or may not be correct historically, onto a term that has long since had a more benign currency.

When Leno or Letterman use the term, they don't use it with the precision or with the intention you import, neither do their audiences or the redneck lobby.

The idea that rednecks are like disenfranchised African Americans, pre-vote women, oppressed gays, etc., etc. makes no objective sense. So yes you are talking about political correctness.

Somehow I doubt you're lobbying your legislators for redneck rights. Though, as I recall, you did support Hillary so, I guess, that amounts to the same thing.

In any event, I'm not sufficently vested in this off-topic issue to pursue it. But, given the strength of your own feelings about it, you clearly should.

As far as Obama is concerned, I voted for Hillary in the primary and I don't see him doing a bad job at trying to attract the people who voted for her. Obviously, there are some who are simply never going to be happy that she didn't win the nomination.

 

[NickCole]

^

Believe as you wish.

My college roomate and best friend at the time was and is a redneck from a redneck family. I've visited them and known them and some of their friends for years. They're Democrats. They voted for Bill Clinton and Gore, they stayed home rather than vote for Kerry who they saw as elitist. After Katrina they were very eager to vote for any Democrat to take over the White House. Today they're defending Sarah Palin and they think Obama Democrats are elitists, and they're making sounds like they're going to vote for McCain.

Obama supporters denigrating and dividing within the Democratic party is a self-inflicted wound. At least Republicans were smart enough to unify their own party and denigrate and divide their opposition party.

 

[Spensed]

^ Talk about lack of self-awareness. On the Republican side, the people, who didn't like and didn't vote for McCain, at some point stopped whining and rallied behind him.

 

[NickCole]

^ Talk about lack of self-awareness. On the Republican side, the people, who didn't like and didn't vote for McCain, at some point stopped whining and rallied behind him.

McCain's supporters never attacked supporters of other GOP candidates with words like "whining."

You just don't get it.

 

[Spensed]

McCain's supporters never attacked supporters of other GOP candidates with words like "whining."

You just don't get it.

No I don't.

And I don't recall McCain's supporters soft peddling against Romney & Co. McCain won by majority not consensus. That didn't stop the Republicans now pulling together, at least for the most part.

As for whining, it sounds you're much too thin skinned.

Whining is as whining does. Stop whining and people won't attack you for whining. LOL.

 

[iman]

I don't become particulary exercised about any of these derogatory terms, but I would certainly never attempt to justify them. It is not a matter of political correctness, it is a matter of self respect. If someone is incapable of disagreeing with someone without resorting to insulting ethnic, class or personality terms, then they have a problem. How does it help your candidate or why does it make you feel good to disrespect someone on the basis of their race and class? What does it matter who got the girl pregnant? Would it be OK if she had been knocked up by some black kid?

I can't get over how clueless many of the Obamaites are. Both John and Robert Kennedy made a point of addressing the plight of poor whites in Appalachia as well as black Americans. Many of the dead soldiers which the Obama folks profess to be so concerned about are undoubtedly dead "rednecks" because the Military has always been one of the few paths open to these people. I suppose the Obama folks only have respect for rednecks when they are safely in a bodybag and are useful as a political tool.

I love the idea of using late night comedians as arbiters of correctness. If it were not for fat and gay jokes, Conan O'Brien would only have a half hour show. Late night comedians direct their "humor' to the prejudices of the new dumbed down America not to any real wit or cleverness, they be wearing blackface and doing step n' fetchit routines in another era.

The problem for the Obama wing of the Democratic Party is that it is a smug and self satisfied group of privileged liberals and their empty headed children who would rather vote for a black man than live next to one and want nothing to do with the downscale whites that remind them of where they came from and are only a neighborhood away from returning to. The party can't be successful if it only functions as a tool for liberal self righteousness. The Dems have to actually help people not just make people feel good or bolster their insecurities.

Bobby Kennedy among the Kentucky Rednecks.

 

[NickCole]

The problem for the Obama wing of the Democratic Party is that it is a smug and self satisfied group of privileged liberals and their empty headed children who would rather vote for a black man than live next to one and want nothing to do with the downscale whites that remind them of where they came from and are only a neighborhood away from returning to. The party can't be successful if it only functions as a tool for liberal self righteousness. The Dems have to actually help people not just make people feel good or bolster their insecurities.

Yep. Nailed it.

Great picture, BTW. Shows the huge difference between Bobby Kennedy and Obama -- and I remember Bobby's kids didn't support Obama when Caroline did.

 

[andysayshi]

I don't become particulary exercised about any of these derogatory terms, but I would certainly never attempt to justify them. It is not a matter of political correctness, it is a matter of self respect. If someone is incapable of disagreeing with someone without resorting to insulting ethnic, class or personality terms, then they have a problem. How does it help your candidate or why does it make you feel good to disrespect someone on the basis of their race and class? What does it matter who got the girl pregnant? Would it be OK if she had been knocked up by some black kid?

I can't get over how clueless many of the Obamaites are. Both John and Robert Kennedy made a point of addressing the plight of poor whites in Appalachia as well as black Americans. Many of the dead soldiers which the Obama folks profess to be so concerned about are undoubtedly dead "rednecks" because the Military has always been one of the few paths open to these people. I suppose the Obama folks only have respect for rednecks when they are safely in a bodybag and are useful as a political tool.

I love the idea of using late night comedians as arbiters of correctness. If it were not for fat and gay jokes, Conan O'Brien would only have a half hour show. Late night comedians direct their "humor' to the prejudices of the new dumbed down America not to any real wit or cleverness, they be wearing blackface and doing step n' fetchit routines in another era.

The problem for the Obama wing of the Democratic Party is that it is a smug and self satisfied group of privileged liberals and their empty headed children who would rather vote for a black man than live next to one and want nothing to do with the downscale whites that remind them of where they came from and are only a neighborhood away from returning to. The party can't be successful if it only functions as a tool for liberal self righteousness. The Dems have to actually help people not just make people feel good or bolster their insecurities.

Great post!!!!

 

[Spensed]

^ Sounds like a lot of anti-Obama hot air to me.

Obviously, white working class support is an issue for Obama. But I don't see any evidence that he isn't trying to address this with his reach out to Hillary and his focus on employment and the economy.

Shocking poll: White working class voters support Obama 47-37

by elrod, Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 12:18:32 AM EST

In a poll that is sure to spin many heads in the punditsphere, white working class voters support Barack Obama over John McCain by 10 points, or 47-37.

These are not union voters. And they are not Democrats. They are all white working class voters.

The poll, conducted by the Post, the Henry J. Kaiser Foundation, and Harvard University sampled the opinions of workers ages 18-64 who work at least 30 hours a week and make $27,000 a year or less. The poll sampled whites and non-whites in the working class - not surprisingly, Obama absolutely dominates among non-whites in that class - but the numbers among the white working class are noteworthy.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/4/01832/50617

 

[tmb1]

Well, the "leave our family out of it" Palin's just paraded out their precious family with Bristol and LEVI holding hands while out on the tarmac greeting McCain. So I guess its okay to USE the family when you want but not okay to scrutinize any of that. No wonder this woman's 17 year old unmarried teenage daughter got pregnant. She is too busy with her egomaniacal ambitions. Bad mother!

 

[NickCole]

No wonder this woman's 17 year old unmarried teenage daughter got pregnant. She is too busy with her egomaniacal ambitions. Bad mother!

That's hilarious!

 

[NickCole]

Well, the "leave our family out of it" Palin's just paraded out their precious family with Bristol and LEVI holding hands while out on the tarmac greeting McCain.

Just saw the tape.

They look nice, the boyfriend is kinda hot.

So I guess its okay to USE the family when you want but not okay to scrutinize any of that.

Well, Obama paraded his daughters onstage at the Convention, and used them in that ET piece on TV (or whichever tabloid show it was), so does that mean they're fair game? I sure hope Republicans and the media continue to have more respect for the privacy of Obama's daughters than Democrats have had for Palin's.

 

[White Eagle]

You guys are applying the redneck title to "poor, white southern men" . That in my mind is just as racist as you are trying to apply it to those who say redneck.
I have 2 brothers that are rednecks. They are far from poor.
You know how to tell if a person is a level-headed redneck? The tobacco juice drips out of both sides of his mouth.
I told my brother that and he thought it was hilarious.
I was not being a racist in that. It's true.
I thought this was a Humor/satire thread.

I've been having problems trying to put this in a thread, I think I'll just put it in here as no one is staying on topic.

 

[tmb1]

I think its hilarious how some are getting into a tizzy about the word redneck when Levi used it in the first place to describe himself. McCain is proving he can't lead when his thoroughly UNvetted pick was(and is) an Enquirer lead story waiting to happen. White trash rednecks can get into power too, they just shouldn't be THAT high up in power(prez and VP). With this and the sister and brother in law story, this family is one step away from a "Jerry Springer Election Special".

 

[tmb1]

^jesus dude for one its not hate, second its a humor/satire thread.

and third, WE(the public) have been forced into the vetting process since McCain didn't do his job.

 

[tmb1]

Obama has been vetted for over 18 months, Palin 5 days.

 

[White Eagle]

Have you guys ever heard of an Aggie joke? That's Texas A&M. You take every derogatory joke you have ever heard and make the main character an Aggie. The funny part of this is 95-98% of them are made up by Aggies.
If Levi wants to be called a redneck, let him.