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Patriot Act Quietly Renewed Without Dissent

kallipolis said:
Who is this master? Any guesses?

We should beware of conspiracy theories, or of assuming that a sitting president is unable to think for himself, or even change his mind after assuming office as POTUS.
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Take the simple view, if it suites you.

I really do think that Mr. Obama is taking orders from someone, or something.

As did Bush, Clinton, and all others before him....
 
NineOfClubs said:
Take the simple view, if it suites you.

I really do think that Mr. Obama is taking orders from someone, or something.

As did Bush, Clinton, and all others before him....
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On the contrary, I am confronting the simplistic view.

If there is evidence to support your contention, that the POTUS is taking orders from someone, or something then let's hear it.

Otherwise such thoughts are nothing more than speculation based upon nothing more substantial than hot air.
 
kallipolis said:
On the contrary, I am confronting the simplistic view.

If there is evidence to support your contention, that the POTUS is taking orders from someone, or something then let's hear it.

Otherwise such thoughts are nothing more than speculation based upon nothing more substantial than hot air.
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How else to explain so many broken promises?

Guantanamo closed. All bills online and visible before votes. Transparency. The *hint* that wars would end. The deficit would decrease. Unemployment wouldn't top 8%.

He bailed on so many promises. He's either a lying SOB or controlled by some "other".
 
NineOfClubs said:
How else to explain so many broken promises?

Guantanamo closed. All bills online and visible before votes. Transparency. The *hint* that wars would end. The deficit would decrease. Unemployment wouldn't top 8%.

He bailed on so many promises. He's either a lying SOB or controlled by some "other".
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You are speculating by clearly stating that there is a master who gives the POTUS orders.

There is a dire lack of logic when speculating that because of an apparent lack of change, in political policies since Barack Obama assumed power that this evidences the influence of a puppeteer, or a master who dictates orders to the POTUS and Congress.

I am not ridiculing your theories rather inviting you to support your allegations with tangible evidence which would add some measure of reasoning to your assertions.

We are all frustrated with the economic climate, and the slow pace of change in such places as Afghanistan, further compounded by the destabilisation of the world's economy, and the ongoing events in the Arab world.

But this does not evidence a conspiratorial plot that invites us to believe that there is an invisible, self serving power manipulating the POTUS, and Congress.
 
^ I don't want to call you a stupid son of a bitch.... :-)

But if I had such "proof" would I be on JUB chattering about it?

No, I'd be in the swirl of a media frenzy and we'd be seeing our President in impeachment proceedings.
 
NineOfClubs said:
^ I don't want to call you a stupid son of a bitch.... :-)

But if I had such "proof" would I be on JUB chattering about it?

No, I'd be in the swirl of a media frenzy and we'd be seeing our President in impeachment proceedings.
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This belies the fact that you have chosen to make such allegations, and then choose to refuse to support your assertions, when challenged to so do.

I can only assume that your evidence is non existent.
 
kallipolis said:
This belies the fact that you have chosen to make such allegations, and then choose to refuse to support your assertions, when challenged to so do.

I can only assume that your evidence is non existent.
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I'm only offering a plausible explanation as to why our President has "disappointed"...
 
NineOfClubs said:
I'm only offering a plausible explanation as to why our President has "disappointed"...
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What's plausible when offering us conspiratorial theories that lack any substance, or proof that would evidence the plausibility of your allegations?

All political leaders will disappoint according to the political allegiances of their critics.
 
^Whatever, dude. You're boring me.

Maybe you can "prove" this President is solid gold and above reproach.

Don't think you can....
 
NineOfClubs said:
^Whatever, dude. You're boring me.

Maybe you can "prove" this President is solid gold and above reproach.

Don't think you can....
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I am not the poster serving up conspiratorial theories unsupported by proof.

I have merely invited you to offer us something of substance to support your assertions.

I understand that you are unable to support your theorising.

I also note that you are bored, sufficiently to want to end this exchange. So be it.
 
I also note you don't have enough imagination to second guess what's going on in the world.
 
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