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[rareboy]

We have the freedom to protest.

We have affordable housing. In fact it is through the federal government that rent geared to income housing is built across the country in partnership with provinces and municiplaities. We alos have freedom of speech, except very limited cases of hate speech.

You obviously know nothing of life in Canada. Again...just spouting the shit you scoop up from your contaminated websites fed by Kremlin trolls.

But I do understand that there are many forces at work in the US right now to undermine our government and to put a right wing populist who apparently can't get a security clearance in the [osition of Prime Minister.

I would note for you that Ontario is governed by the Conservatives and Quebec by a very conservative coalition.

Trudeau and the Liberals have governed responsibly and sanely...but Trump hates Trudeau for laughing at him and for the US getting trounced in the NAFTA 2.0 talks.

The good news, as I keep pointing out is that we don't directly vote for a Prime Minister.

We vote by ridings and so now it will be up to each party to field candidates that voters will send to Ottawa to form a government...likely a coalition minority government and they tend to work well for the people.

 

[TX-Beau]

This is one of the biggest news stories in Texas. It would be boring if everyone thought the same thing. I agree the Gay far-left is short on tolerance for dissenting thought.

BAIT!

The Biggest news in Texas is weather and the biggest subject of speculation for me is my colleagues betting whose power grid goes down.

 

[rareboy]

And by the way, Trump didn't get Freeland to resign. And watch out for her to announce a run for leader of the Liberal Party.

She's the one who handled the NAFTA 2.0 negotiations which is why Trump hates her.

 

[KaraBulut]

And by the way, Trump didn't get Freeland to resign. And watch out for her to announce a run for leader of the Liberal Party.

She's the one who handled the NAFTA 2.0 negotiations which is why Trump hates her.

We're off-topic for the "cartoons and memes" thread but what exactly was the cause of the split between Freeland and Trudeau?

 

[rareboy]

Well, actually Chrystia Freeland is a tough negotiator and she and Trudeau clashed on the approach to tariffs. Even though Trudeau had to go to the US to meet with Trump because as a convicted felon he can't enter Canada, a lot of people in Canada saw it as starting from a weak bargaining position. He should have done the same as Mexico and delivered the message from Canada. Like our Conservative provincial leader Doug Ford, Trudeau should have started out with the areas we would hit with countervailing tarriffs or closure to markets.

Freeland also is opposed to gimmicky moves by the Liberals to provide an HST holiday for a couple of months when the deficit will be larger than projected. She knows you can't buy voter goodwill. Both the Liberal and Conservative parties are guilty of this pandering.

So as Finance Minister, she literally had no choice but to resign because of the expected larger deficit that has been generated and being left with no means of addressing it directly and managing it. Again, a lot of the deficit is legacy from the COVID era and Trudeau has noted that the government has taken on more debt so that individual households and businesses wouldn't have to. Expansion of Dental healthcare benefits, while needed and likely popular with many voters also have contributed to increased deficits.

Trudeau has been a fairly able administrator, but both the Liberals and Conservatives tend to fall into traps after a long time in office that have resulted in a noble group of Finance ministers resigning because the Party Leader is not taking their advice.

And as I said, let's watch to see if Chrystia tackles Polievre in the upcoming election. If she decides not to run, she will certainly have a huge influence in the choice of candidate I would expect.
Which is not to say that the Liberals won't fuck it up and choose some compromise candidate without a strong record and profile.

Ravenstone's pics and memes about Canada and Trudeau and Liberalism in Canada are totally within the spirit of the thread. They give us all a glimpse into the darker conversations going on the US about Canada/US relations. As I have noted a number of times now, Trump is painting US allies as enemies and is intent on doing economic damage to neighbouring countries, China and apparently even the EU in some bizarrely misguided attempt to shake down the taxpayers and corporations in the US. Most of us still can't fathom what else can be gained. We all know from history that tariffs really triggered and deepened the Great Depression and perhaps that is what the oligarchs want. With their phenomenal wealth, they will then be in a position to do what they did in the last big recession. Buy up everything at fire sale prices and consolidate control. Definitely would make sense that Musk is all for that.

 

[rareboy]

 

[KaraBulut]

Well, actually Chrystia Freeland is a tough negotiator and she and Trudeau clashed on the approach to tariffs. Even though Trudeau had to go to the US to meet with Trump because as a convicted felon he can't enter Canada, a lot of people in Canada saw it as starting from a weak bargaining position. He should have done the same as Mexico and delivered the message from Canada. Like our Conservative provincial leader Doug Ford, Trudeau should have started out with the areas we would hit with countervailing tarriffs or closure to markets.

Freeland used to make appearances on US news shows twenty years ago. She came across as smart, with a deep knowledge of complex issues. Unfortunately, as we learned from Hillary Clinton (and high school, for that matter), smart women aren't always the popular ones.

Trudeau seemed like a very charismatic politician until recently. He seems like he's on the retreat and his trip to Mar-A-Lago only made him look weaker. Canada and the US have a treaty that Trump insisted on negotiating and signing when he was President. If that doesn't give Canada a strong position to bargain from, I don't know what does.

Freeland also is opposed to gimmicky moves by the Liberals to provide an HST holiday for a couple of months when the deficit will be larger than projected. She knows you can't buy voter goodwill. Both the Liberal and Conservative parties are guilty of this pandering.

Wasn't there something about sending checks out to Canadians that was also going to be another drain on the Treasury?

So as Finance Minister, she literally had no choice but to resign because of the expected larger deficit that has been generated and being left with no means of addressing it directly and managing it. Again, a lot of the deficit is legacy from the COVID era and Trudeau has noted that the government has taken on more debt so that individual households and businesses wouldn't have to. Expansion of Dental healthcare benefits, while needed and likely popular with many voters also have contributed to increased deficits.[/quote[
Ages ago, when I was taking economic classes, the general thought was that when times are good, taxes and interest rates are allowed to creep up. In contrast, when the economy is weak and in need of stimulus, taxes are lowered and interest rates are brought down to juice the economy.

The problem that happened in 2016-2020 and again in 2023-2024 is that interest rates had been left low and taxes rates on the wealthiest people had been lowered to a point that when hard times came, the tools in the monetary policy tool box weren't available.

If I understand the situation, Freeland was proposing a conservative (small "c") economic policy in opposition with Trudeau's more liberal "give the people money" plan?


[QUOTE="rareboy, post: 12830225, member: 180558"
Ravenstone's pics and memes about Canada and Trudeau and Liberalism in Canada are totally within the spirit of the thread. They give us all a glimpse into the darker conversations going on the US about Canada/US relations. As I have noted a number of times now, Trump is painting US allies as enemies and is intent on doing economic damage to neighbouring countries, China and apparently even the EU in some bizarrely misguided attempt to shake down the taxpayers and corporations in the US. Most of us still can't fathom what else can be gained. We all know from history that tariffs really triggered and deepened the Great Depression and perhaps that is what the oligarchs want. With their phenomenal wealth, they will then be in a position to do what they did in the last big recession. Buy up everything at fire sale prices and consolidate control. Definitely would make sense that Musk is all for that.

Conservative (again, small "c") viewpoints are needed. My opinion (note: I moderate support, not politics) is that, unless it is expressed in a cartoon or a meme, they belong in a discussion thread about Canada. Americans have been become increasingly narcissistic with less interest in what is going on in the rest of the world, much less with our ally neighbors. A good discussion that explains why Trudeau has gotten into trouble- in a thread dedicated to that topic would be a good thing.

My frustration with many of the conservative participants in CE&P (and other internet forums) is that they have become less focused on facts and conservative policy and more focused upon "owning the liberals" and trolling. It mirrors what has happened in the Republican Party, sadly and in right wing news outlets. It's a shame because I find value in understanding the viewpoints of liberals, moderates and conservatives... when it's based in facts.

 

[rareboy]

Canada is always governed from the centre.

Our charter of rights and freedoms and the way we appoint judges, etc. are the guardrails to our parliamentary democracy.

Polievre is not so much popular as Trudeau was made the unpopular face of the COVID mandates. And then we had the madness creep up from the US on COVID, brought to us by Kremlin sponsored far right wing nuts and had to deal with that ridiculous trucker convoy.

The reason Trudeau is hated is largely the same reason his father was hated. He is French Canadian, educated, wealthy and Liberal. This always produces a knee jerk response out of the westerners.

But Polievre won't be President either. There are real constraints on what a Prime Minister can do, in some part because of the balancing effect of Quebec, British Columbia and Ontario.

Even Stephen Harper, a conservative who sought to govern as though he had some kind of mandate when he was in a minority government learned the limitations of power imposed by the Commons. And also learned that people might love you until they don't. Justin's possible successor, Pierre Polievre, is already greatly disliked across Canada. And even though I think he is an opportunistic, cynical asshat who has accomplished nothing in the last two decades, am not too fussed whether he becomes PM.

 

[rareboy]

Trudeau seemed like a very charismatic politician until recently. He seems like he's on the retreat and his trip to Mar-A-Lago only made him look weaker. Canada and the US have a treaty that Trump insisted on negotiating and signing when he was President. If that doesn't give Canada a strong position to bargain from, I don't know what does.

I am just going to pick up on one thought here.

Hillary Clinton was the most admired woman in America and even in the world until Kremlin troll farms mounted a relentless campaign to make her look weak and despised.

And western audiences seem to really buy into the narratives really easily and quickly.

Same with Trudeau.

Suddenly as a result of the rrrzzzn sponsored troll farms and the truckers marches etc...we began seeing the same kind of hate merchandising as you had for Biden in the US with 'Fuck Trudeau' penants and flags and all kinds of angry, privileged white people looking for an outlet for their frustration...all fed by a news machine that also was designed to attract viewers instead of doing journalism.

More than a few of them wasnt Polievre and the Conservatives in power in order to be able to demolish him and his flunkies. They would be new blood and there are so many systemic problems within the Conservative Party and with him that it would sell a lot of newsprint and air time.

We're used to this.

Polievre has no real policies or solutions...he occupies that easy place of just being opposed instead of being a leader. An empty suit.

 

[KaraBulut]

...Hillary Clinton was the most admired woman in America and even in the world until Kremlin troll farms mounted a relentless campaign to make her look weak and despised.

Ah... it might not be that simple.

The nastiness with the Clintons started before Bill was even elected. The Republicans knew that Clinton was a potential star back when he was still in Arkansas politics. The rumors about his "bimbo problem" started early (and proved to have some basis in fact) along with the accusations that Hillary was an atheist hairy-legged lesbian who was the one wearing the pants in the Clinton family also started around the same time.

There were a lot of Americans who weren't comfortable with Hillary as First Lady. It began with the early press snarkiness about "Hillary RODHAM-Clinton". Her involvement with healthcare didn't win her any fans on the right. She did benefit from her husband's Lewinsky problem. And she was well-liked as a New York Senator because she did her job and showed up for her consistuents.

When she ran for President, there were a lot of straight guys who didn't want to vote for her. l asked one of them (a Democrat) why he didn't like her. His answer: "She reminds me of my ex-wife's divorce attorney." That was probably the one of best explanations of why so many straight men have an issue with strong, smart women.

I heard similar murmurings about Freeland. Hints that she was "the Minister of Everything" and that she was really running the government while her "work husband" Trudeau shook hands and looked pretty. And I could picture Freeland as someone's divorce attorney.

Her Wikipedia article seems to have been tampered with? Failed politician? Huh? And what's all this stuff about being on the wrong side of the KGB and Ukrainian connections?

 

[rareboy]

Obviously tampered with.

All part of the campaign to cut her off at the knees.

She is not only a formidable intellect, but also very nice and engaging in person.

 

[johaninsc]

 

[rareboy]

So someone might want to tell this demented syphillitic rapist that no one in Canada wants to be the 51st state and he should keep out name out of his fucking mouth.

All he is actually doing is galvanizing the dislike and distrust that Canadians have of the US and its imperialistic ans parasitic oligarchs. Fuck off.

Honestly at this point, we would likely prefer the Russian ships. Those we can turn into submarines.

 

[rareboy]

And all because as a convicted felon he can't enter Canada.

 

[KaraBulut]

So someone might want to tell this demented syphillitic rapist that no one in Canada wants to be the 51st state and he should keep out name out of his fucking mouth.

All he is actually doing is galvanizing the dislike and distrust that Canadians have of the US and its imperialistic ans parasitic oligarchs. Fuck off.

Honestly at this point, we would likely prefer the Russian ships. Those we can turn into submarines.

There's no spelling errors, so it's unlikely to have been written by Trump. Trump has been playing golf. They had to call him on the golf course on Friday to have a little talk with the two Republican holdouts on the Speaker vote.

The Sharpei wrote that blurb about Canada. More "owning the liberals". Because this is what "normal" has become.

 

[rareboy]

I pretty much think that Musk left all the talking points on a post-it and TrumpCo. just barfs them out...so yeah. I can totally see this.

So is this guy going to be the Goebbels of Trump 2.0?

 

[rareboy]

To focus on one point:

My frustration with many of the conservative participants in CE&P (and other internet forums) is that they have become less focused on facts and conservative policy and more focused upon "owning the liberals" and trolling. It mirrors what has happened in the Republican Party, sadly and in right wing news outlets. It's a shame because I find value in understanding the viewpoints of liberals, moderates and conservatives... when it's based in facts.

So in my life I have voted happily for Liberal, Conservative, New Democrat and even Green Party candidates.

Often it is because I know them personally or professionally and think they will be our best MP or MPP.

We often don't agree on everything and if they are elected to power they frustrate me with their rote responses and bland anodyne talking points, but I am more than up to the challenge of pushing them to break the fourth wall and just tell me the truth.

I have a meeting in the offing with our MP who came to my Aunt's 100th birthday in early December and I was able to 'corner' to discuss a few items. I am not really impressed by his intellect or his abilities, but if Polievre gains the PM ship, he is useful to me in promting affordable housing and expanded healthcare. Because I also know his constituents.

It is such a shame that down in the US there seems to be this incredibly tall invisible wall between policitians and voters. And that so many voters have retreated to the ralative safety of their keyboards to avoid having conversations with the people they pay to represnt them?

 

[TX-Beau]

To focus on one point:



So in my life I have voted happily for Liberal, Conservative, New Democrat and even Green Party candidates.

Often it is because I know them personally or professionally and think they will be our best MP or MPP.

We often don't agree on everything and if they are elected to power they frustrate me with their rote responses and bland anodyne talking points, but I am more than up to the challenge of pushing them to break the fourth wall and just tell me the truth.

I have a meeting in the offing with our MP who came to my Aunt's 100th birthday in early December and I was able to 'corner' to discuss a few items. I am not really impressed by his intellect or his abilities, but if Polievre gains the PM ship, he is useful to me in promting affordable housing and expanded healthcare. Because I also know his constituents.

It is such a shame that down in the US there seems to be this incredibly tall invisible wall between policitians and voters. And that so many voters have retreated to the ralative safety of their keyboards to avoid having conversations with the people they pay to represnt them?

That wall is money. They ignore us unless we can pay them not to. Not everyone f course, but even they know their careers are not dependent on pleasing people.

Republicans and the assholes on the S.C. did this.

 

[Kulindahr]

 

[Kulindahr]

Trump hates Trudeau for laughing at him and for the US getting trounced in the NAFTA 2.0 talks.

As somewhat of a libertarian I don't understand why there need to be talks for free trade: free trade means you can sell any of your stuff to us and we can sell any of our stuff to you. It should rally be called the "Sort of Free Trade but Not Really" Act.