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Pope Francis meets secretly with Kim Davis on US trip

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I looked all over the forums and didn't see this posted.

Of course Kim Davis is the whacko Evangelical who was denying marriage licenses to LGBT's in her Kentucky county. Apparently the Vatican embassy invited her to meet with the Pope while he was in Washington, DC.

My gay Catholic friends are hurt and disappointed.
 
Not surprised, he probably has to shake hands with a lot of cretins.
 
I was kind of surprised that happened.

Many of her ilk don't regard Roman Catholics as Christian at all, and view the church itself as being the Whore of Babylon.
 
Pope Francis is not now, and never has been a progressive. Bottom line.
 
How very disappointing. Francis is indeed an adept politician, and he publicly walked a fine line when here.

His extraordinary effort to give her private audience is not insignificant and cannot be blithely dismissed as his defense of "conscientious objectors." Her actions went well beyond mere objection when she not only refused to act, but barred others from acting in their sworn duty.

I hope the press and others hold his feet to the fire. This sort of undermining is to be answered with rebuttal. He should have to defend publicly what he worked in private.

And Kim Davis is just about as flakey as they come. First, she racks up enough divorces and remarriages to be out of bed with any Fundamentalist order, much less Holiness. And now, she acknowledges a pope, and is indeed at huge variance again with the Holiness tradition's stated objection to clerical powers.

Good article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html

A primer on Holiness churches: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiness_movement

I had actually never learned before that Holiness were a spinoff of Methodists. They spun wayyyyyy off.

And I'd disagree that Francis is not progressive, but he's not on the subjects of sexuality or women's rights.
 
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It would seem like a bad PR move for him. He has been very quiet about his anti LGBT stance so far.

He only mentions his support of the 'traditional' family.
 
It's BS that he met her on the qt, he seems to be no different than the rest of em......
 
Francis' lack of endorsement of gay marriage is consistent with his lack of dogma reform, which he probably cannot effect anyway.

But his active pursuit of embracing Davis puts him on a path of opposition that is more than merely status quo. He has become her active champion in a way.

I hope progressives do indeed take points away from his support and leave him wondering what happened to his support.

If he were only making the stand for conscientious objection, he could have also been embracing those in favor or priest marrying or women presiding over the Mass. His move was plainly in support of Kim's stand against gays. He should pay for it in political losses.
 
The report I read said that the news came from her lawyers, an all the Pope allegedly said to her was, "Stay strong".

However, I just found this. Interesting and enlightening read:

The meeting between Pope Francis and Kim Davis threatens to overshadow the success of the pope's visit to the United States. The response to the visit says a lot about the climate created in the United States around the pope's visit and the inability for some in the church to acknowledge and receive Pope Francis. It says nothing, however, about the position of the pope, the concrete case of Kim Davis, the question of LGBT Catholics in general or same-sex marriage in the civil society. To understand the contours of the meeting we should keep in mind a few things.

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Third point: The fact that the case has been artfully assembled is confirmed not only by the embarrassed reluctance of the Vatican to comment (after confirming the meeting), but by the climate before the pope's visit to America. In his address to American bishops, the pope warned against the temptation to use the cross as a symbol for political struggles. The pope's visit has disappointed ideologues of the political-religious "culture wars" in America, especially those who tried to make Kim Davis a martyr of Church against gay marriage. Perhaps those who organized the meeting for the Vatican have escaped seeing the televised catwalks of Kim Davis with several Republican candidates for president of the United States and were, therefore, without sufficient information. In his public speeches, Francis carefully avoided presenting himself as a "cultural warrior." Still, someone decided to put in the same room and in front of the pope the witness of a Christian style exactly opposite to his own.

Fourth point. The pope is aware of the world, but it is highly unlikely that he was aware of who Kim Davis was and the controversy generated by her refusal to obey the law of the land. It would be nice to know how many were aware of the character and the story here in Italy until 36 hours ago. But some of those who organized the meeting for Pope Francis knew, of that we can be sure.

Fifth point. We do not know what the Pope has said to Kim Davis - unless you want to believe (without verification or evidence of any kind) Davis' lawyers. The gift of a rosary and an invitation to "stay strong" is something that the pope would tell all. John XXIII in 1963 gave a rosary to the daughter of Nikita Khrushchev in an audience at the Vatican with her husband, and Rada Krusciova kept the rosary forever.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/massimo-faggioli/kim-davis-pope-francis_b_8227932.html
 
nycguydowntown said:
Got a sick feeling in my stomach when I saw he met her---
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As it said in the article I posted, it's doubtful the Vatican even knew who Kim Davis was or what she had been doing when the meeting was arranged.

As the headline said: "Kim Davis And The Trap For Pope Francis"

And for Kim's lawyers to claim that the Pope agreed with her actions when he said 'Stay strong', he says that to just about everyone he meets.
 
I think SOMEONE needs to be held accountable and they will be, if they used the Pope for political objective.

That the Vatican has been vague to me means this may be an "oops" moment for them.
 
The pope. A man who lives in riches and luxury and does not practice what he preaches. Isn't Jesus supposed to be his role model?

Why does anyone care what he does?
 
The whole thing, this Pope Francis, is an act. The Catholic church knows through all the scandals that it is embroiled in throughout the world that it is driving some in their flock to leave its ministry. For an ultra conservative bunch of bishops and cardinals to have elected the former pontiff, Ratzinger and the same bunch of them to elect someone seemingly wholly opposite of Ratzinger was the first clue all is not right.

This artful wolf in sheep's clothing, is through his attempts to reign in those in the holy see, gaining popular support from the moderate and dare I say majority of modern catholics. This in effect is drawing more people towards their faith, and creating new converts. This is the evangelicalism of the Catholic mission - to get more people to join their world view. They couldn't do it via the ultra orthodoxy of Ratzinger, and we have this Jorge Mario Bergoglio as Pope Francis.

It is through his reluctance on many issues, clinging mostly to former vatican positions that you'll see nothing much has changed. Only the way the message is delivered, in carefully crafted words that support the family but not say anything about the rights of others, that glaring omission of inclusivity is where you're gonna find the true meaning of what this papal reign is about.

I've neither cheered his actions nor wish to lighten the seriousness with which this behemoth of a religion through its indoctrination of thousands of millions is affecting the human rights of others. He and his religion should be held to higher accountability, even if their workings are behind closed doors, shameful and hidden from sight as if it were a sordid tryst.

The news of Kim Davis made its way around the globe for at least a month before the Papal vist. There is no way that he would not have been briefed on that before his visit. It had to do with religious zealotry and bigotry and later we found the delicious irony of her hypocrisy to boot, as well as the media circus and political shenanigans of the Cruz gate crashing the Huckabee publicity stunts. I call ultimate bullshit on the idea that Pope Francis was not aware of who this jibbering idiot Kim Davis is.
 
Why no one has asked the pope directly his views on what ever topics
like marriage equality, abortion, assisted suicide ... etc??

Media did a poor job about questioning the pope then.
 
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