Pres.Bush Commutes Libby Prison Sentence

[jtilden21]

Jerry: i have to agree here. That seems a bit of a double-standard.

But again, if we feel angered about the execution of executive orders, we have to affect change.

As of today, that is allowed.

If we do not want to see this same thing in the future, then we are charged with affecting a change.

It will continue lest we bring a change.

 

[Andreus]

Yep, because the AVERAGE person convicted of PURGERY and OBSTRUCTION OR JUSTICE would get the same lenient treatment from the President....

IMO they should fix it so that no President can pardon any member of the Executive Branch from the past or present....Then we wouldn't have had that "Nixon pre-charged" pardon nonsense. The President should not be able to release crooks in his own administration or those of administrations past.

yah

he wouldnt even stay executions on retarded people as governor of texas

but this is justified?

its a joke

its cronyism

 

[naked gent]

Then that is a new charge. Charged with Violation of Probation. And then the ORIGINAL sentence most be served.(after a trial and found guilty). Time may be added for breaking terms also.

Well normally when you violate probation you do have to serve your orginal sentence but to commute a sentence means to change the sentence so how could you serve it.

If what you say is true (and it probably is) shouldn't we be saying that Bush suspended the sentence and not that he commuted it?

 

[Andreus]

Jerry: i have to agree here. That seems a bit of a double-standard.

But again, if we feel angered about the execution of executive orders, we have to affect change.

As of today, that is allowed.

If we do not want to see this same thing in the future, then we are charged with affecting a change.

It will continue lest we bring a change.

this is my point and it is the great fear of jack and letme

this presidency and those that have supported him must go and the american people are waking up to that now that things like this are happening on a weekly basis

 

[JackFTwist]

Well this is Bush's first pardon. As with any Prez. , there will be more. Not as many as Billy I think though.

that would be untrue - in fact under oath your comment is perjury.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7097303

March 5, 2005

Bush pardons bootlegger and 7 others
President has issued 39 pardons since taking office

WASHINGTON - President Bush pardoned eight people, including a man convicted of bootlegging 45 years ago, the Justice Department announced Friday.

The first round of clemency orders in Bush’s second term brings his total since taking office to 39 pardons and sentence commutations.

Bush’s father, President George H.W. Bush, issued 77 pardons during his single term from 1989 to 1993, according to statistics collected by the University of Pittsburgh law school.

And of course Bush 1's pardons included Iran Contra convicts such as Poindexter and those awaiting trial such as Weinberger - which meant Bush 1 ensured the facts would not be laid out in open court.

 

[jtilden21]

okay, never disagreed with your stance, Andreus. I respect that.

But, if you want to stop the drip in the faucet, you have to fix the plumbing.

 

[JerryBoyz]

Jerry: i have to agree here. That seems a bit of a double-standard.

But again, if we feel angered about the execution of executive orders, we have to affect change.

As of today, that is allowed.


If we do not want to see this same thing in the future, then we are charged with affecting a change.

It will continue lest we bring a change.

Couldn't agree more. If we keep sitting back and letting the "status quo" or "terrifying slide to the right" continue, without getting involved in politics and VOTING we have no right to even complain in a forum such as this.

 

[letme]

this is my point and it is the great fear of jack and letme

this presidency and those that have supported him must go and the american people are waking up to that now that things like this are happening on a weekly basis

Andreus, I wish I could take away the straw you are sipping on and set that glass down,and take the blinders off your eyes. He did NOTHING WRONG. did you read post #102 where I replied to you ?

He is still a convected felon.Just Fucking walking the streets.

 

[Spensed]

OK, thanks for that post, you were right and I was wrong. See, I can admit it . That having been said, it would appear that the word "generally" is used throughout the document. There are no strict prohibitions on what a POTUS may or may not do, merely guidelines and suggestions. The power of the pardon lies totally within the purview of the President.

That's true and I never said otherwise. You see when I'm right I can admit it. Just my smarmy joke.

However, the fact that Bush didn't follow usual protocols suggests favoritism, preferential treatment, special access, conflict of interest, preventing Libby from telling tales on Cheney and Bush and all kinds of other good stuff.

It's definitely a gift to the Dems that will keep on giving.

 

[jtilden21]

^Jerry -- thank you! That is exactly my point tonight.

If we dont like it, change it. Else. it just continues and we end up in debates as we had tonight.

There are great posts in this thread tonight. Many heated, and many passionate.

But, when you take a step back, it is all for us to change.

If we dont like it? That is why this is a democratic (well, rebulican) government.

We can yell til our lungs are tired about ppl following the rules.

If we want the rules to change? That is up to us. In the power of our vote. That is our democratic vote in this reublican government.

 

[JackFTwist]

Andreus, I wish I could take away the straw you are sipping on <clip>

I wish you would respond to the false information that you posted and suggest in that light what credibility you have to comment on anyone else

 

[Andreus]

Andreus, I wish I could take away the straw you are sipping on and set that glass down,and take the blinders off your eyes. He did NOTHING WRONG. did you read post #102 where I replied to you ?

He is still a convected felon.Just Fucking walking the streets.

in your view he did nothing wrong

in the world view and his personal historys view, he did

period

this is the use of a presidential authority to commute a sentence that was handed down by a court to a member of his vice presidents staff

this is not how america works

bush didnt stop executions on people in texas because he didnt want to interfere with the courts

well thats a joke

the man is a slug and you are supporting something immoral just because you place party loyalty above morality

that is the bottom line

this will stick to all the republican candidates for president

it will be a HUGE harassment point

it will be harped on during presidential debates and americans will be watching

all of the ones that dont get presidential pardons because they know the right people

your arguement carries no water and no matter how many times you repeat it, it wont look any better

 

[Andreus]

I wish you would respond to the false information that you posted and suggest in that light what credibility you have to comment on anyone else

he cant

he wont

he is too busy being loyal to his party

 

[JerryBoyz]

It's definitely a gift to the Dems that will keeps on giving.

That at least, is very true. Bush seems to have been, as of late in his lame duck stupor, throwing his own party under the bus. It's like he knows they want nothing to do with him, so he's just going "Fuck 'em." Each decision he makes against the will of the American people is just another thousand votes to the Democrats in 2008....

 

[letme]

that would be untrue - in fact under oath your comment is perjury.

No Jack I did not/ woulda committed perjury. That has to be to lie with intend . I am mis-informed,and thanks for the corrections.
The USDOJ doesn't have a listing for him YET.(least I could find) The Only true worthy citing source,for picky demander's of cites.

 

[JayHawk]

End of the argument.

Geaorge's perrogative. Your duty to accpet and move the fuck on.

SOmeone posted Clinton's pardons. I have been intently interested in politics since i was arounf nine. (that was 1980) and I seriously dont remember Bill's travesty's of justice.So if it was no big deal for Billy to pardon his criminals then why is it such a bg deal for George? It wouldnt be a double standard or nuthing would it?

COme on now. Be adult and admit it.

 

[jtilden21]

Exactly Andreus. Thank you!

If the ppl know, they will do the right thing in the next election.

That is where one can get our voice.

And, Im not trying to be a meany by saying not to state your opinion: you should!

But, your call to arms should be to the American folks to put ppl in power, in ur government, that you want there.

 

[JayHawk]

That at least, is very true. Bush seems to have been, as of late in his lame duck stupor, throwing his own party under the bus. It's like he knows they want nothing to do with him, so he's just going "Fuck 'em." Each decision he makes against the will of the American people is just another thousand votes to the Democrats in 2008....

He is making decisions without polictics involved. I wish every politicain had that kind of surety.

 

[letme]

I wish you would respond to the false information that you posted and suggest in that light what credibility you have to comment on anyone else

Would you clarify what falsehoods I made plz.

 

[iman]

What Libby did wrong was to take a bullet for the VP and the Pres by failing to cooperate with the Special Prosecutor and lying to the Grand Jury in order to cover up the false claims used to take us to war. What Bush did wrong was to obstruct justice by giving Libby a pass in order to insure his silence.

If you can't do the time.......Work for the Bush Administration.

If the Dems frame this right, which they probably won't, people will understand that this is a cover up and that Libby got a Get out of Jail Free Card.