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Presented with comment [Trans Teacher Kayla Lemieux]

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You can't make this stuff up department: take a look at this person. Consider that the school district has decided he is untouchable. Also consider that In Canada you risk being charged with a hate crime for stating that you believe that this wannabe woman is not fit to teach. Even stating that he is a wannabe woman with monstrously large, hard-nippled fake breasts could land you in court. Crazy and appalling in every aspect.

 
The fact that you describe this transgender person as 'wannabe woman' is repugnant and hateful.

Really?

Is this the kind of person you are?

Really?

To wallow in sensationalist gutter press that goes out of its way to diminish and demean transgender people at every turn?

Just to feed their readers appetite for hate?

I am so disgusted. Period. Just fucking stop.
 
This is the bit that worries me.

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(*S*) Talk about an accident waiting to happen! :nono: When I was at school the workshop had to be evacuated when the teacher used the circular saw. Also she hasn't tied her hair back, which must be against health and safety rules (and common sense). And those pantomime dame strap-on threepennies are a menace.
 
With a moment's lapse, that teacher is about to redefine "cleavage."

I don't take the OP's focus to be an example of hatred. It rather is highlighting the absurdity of extremism.

The LGBTQ caucus can agree on equal rights, but when law not only allows but protects the idiotic over-the-top burlesque presentation, it becomes a valid target for not only ridicule, but scorn.

This person isn't some example of the need to be phenotypically what one feels he was genotypically, but is obviously abusing the protected status to make an obsene and grotesque display that other teachers would not be allowed if they so chose without the moniker of transgender hovering above.

Would a woman born female be allowed to wear breasts so large that they become a spectacle rightly?

Would a man be allowed to wear a codpiece that is Clockwork Orange sized just because he felt the need?

As long as the political caucus makes the big tent too big, and defends demented acts, the entire movement will be pilloried for the excess.

Many of us, perhaps even most of us, defend the right for a man or woman to identify opposite his birth sex. But it doesn't follow that we endorse a vulgar display masquerading as gender reassignment. Divine or any semblance of his persona, does not deserve a seat at the table when teaching children. And it has nothing to do with prudishness, or the safety of said children. It's a garish distraction that makes learning impossible.
 
There is a profound fallacy that we (LGBTQ) people cannot be judged by the "worst' among us, that it is supposedly unfair and prejudiced to do so.

Whereas that certainly seems a reasonable conclusion, it's wholly inconsistent with the arguments promoted day and night in the major media, and on JUB:

1. Traditional Christianity is only as "good" as its worst elements -- moneygrubbing evangelists, hypocritical moralists, child-abusing clergy, and bigoted fundamentalists.

2. In reverse, Buddhism gets a pass from religious condemnation, because it's popular form in the West is philosophic, never mind the highly transactional polytheistic superstitious vast majority of the adherents worldwide. The acute minority is held to be the exemplar rather than the average believers.

3. Police brutality is decried as typical just because examples can be filmed and demonstrated to be true. There is never any attempt to weigh them in proportion to total arrests performed, complaints lodged, and procedures followed.

4. White supremacists, and racists of all stripes, are portrayed as the tip of the iceberg, absence of evidence and hard data, in order to amplify the persistence, virulence, and relevance of racism.

5. Educational failure, including squandered student loans, inevitably depict every student as hard-working, or disadvantaged, or cheated, or unfairly measured, with no comprehensive profile to contextualize whether the institutions failed as much as the individual, and his support system, failed to actually support education as a value.

Members could probably proffer a half dozen of their own observations. The point is, we're all to ready to support the sliver as important example when it suits our own biases, but we're outraged when the other end of the culture war spectrum does the same.

And if the tabloid press is guilty of sensationalism and playing on the sentimentality and fears of the masses, then prominent transgender persons like Caitlyn Jenner have milked publicity with equal abandon.
 
And how would you feel if a Canadian shop teacher had huge natural breasts?


Not long ago, many gay men liked to use the phrase 'We were born this way.'

Remember that?

Choice. Choice is the difference.

Many women suffer real physical and emotional problems from having large breasts. Mr Canadian Clown Tits should be ashamed of himself. And so should Canada.
 
And how would you feel if a Canadian shop teacher had huge natural breasts?

First, I would ask when you, I, or anyone else, has ever seen a human with size Z tits. If we have, it's not been because someone just has Holstein genetics. It's an attribute of obesity and old age. The only women I've ever seen with huge, HUGE tits, were very obese women whose tits were proportionate with their body mass, and because they were, they didn't look like freaks as much as fertility statues from the Stone Age.

The second question is why is it acceptable to attach a prosthetic set of secondary sex attributes as a part of your gender reassignment? Again, the only time I've ever seen titanic tits that were artificial were from whores who get boob jobs for porn or prostitution. Even absent of this person's association with porn, it intentionally injects a hypersexed persona into an adolescent teaching environment. Schools have dress codes for both employees and students to minimize and control the inherent distractions of attire and hormones combining at that age. How can a school pretend strapping on clangers the size of Notre Dame's bells isn't attire?

Let a school fire a teacher for being simply fat and having big tits. The world will come to her aid. But this isn't that. It wholly and obviously different, and it's an intentional farce.

I asked first. Is a man going to be allowed to wear a huge codpiece in his pants and teach? If so, why? Why should a school allow it? Why should parents accept it? Why should anyone involved be compelled to pretend it is either acceptable or normal? And why should it be protected by law?

As a footnote, my classmate, Nancy M., had oversized breast in high school and had breast reduction surgery. Classmates giggled and tittered about it. But, I didn't think it funny then. She had back problems and pain from them, aside from the spectacle. Canada has celebrated public health insurance. No woman there has to live with medically dangerous breasts. His costume isn't a problem that is hard to fix. Let him wear them somewhere other than in teaching teens.
 
Rail about it all you want. Fluster and bluster and harrumph with righteous outrage. There are so many factors at play here.

The larger issue for the School Boards is the Ontario Human Rights Act and court cases regarding gender expression.

Looking on-line, the story has almost solely been presented by the fringe right wing press in order to demonize not a single teacher who obviously has some serious body image issues but to make sure that conservatives have their disgust for transgender and LGBTQ people reinforced and have managed to once again implant the notion in their readers and viewers minds about the general depravity undermining the moral fibre of society.

Is this person likely going to inspire students or others to ruch out to start wearing over-sized breasts? No. They are likely just an object of ridicule or pity or targeted anger by the parents of children in their class who incidentally are likely the only people on earth who have any right to express their opinions to the school board employing this teacher, who again, I note, are governed by the law. So this teacher is protected by law and while you think the law is an ass, its broader application means now that thousands of other transgender individuals who have not had complete gender change surgeries are legally permitted to properly identify as transgender, which was not the case until the courts overturned a decision about a decade ago under the framework of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

It is also the same law that in Ontario at least that prevents any young woman from being harassed or ejected from schools and other settings for having unrestrained large breasts under their shirt, or boys from wearing make-up or long pink hair unlike in the US or GB where there are constant stories about kids being turfed out of school for what someone deems 'inappropriate' attire.

This idea may sicken you as homos who love the legal right to suck cock as a completely out homsexual, knowing that millions of cis-het str8s are in a constant rage about this...but there you have it.

As we sit back and watch the rights and freedoms of people in other countries being eroded or even destroyed by talibangelical xians and their religious courts, I have no issue with one individual's expression being protected knowing that the principle is protecting all of us here in Ontario.

But do bluster on.
 
Children should not be politicized or exposed to the overzealous furor of politicized adults. The circus surrounding this issue has no doubt permeated these children's lives everywhere from their school to the dinner table and I'd be willing to bet that this does them more harm than being taught by such a person.

Young kids today have grown up with the transgender issue. It's not a big deal for them, nor is it shocking, unlike the adults who are losing their shit right in front of them.

I don't see how explaining LGBT issues to children is worse than exposing them to the frightening violence of religious teachings.
 
Another lynch mob projecting internalized homophobia by attacking the T gurls because it makes them feel more aligned with the status quo? How predictable. Selling out your peers so you can have a seat at the table with Massa. "Pick me Massa! I'm regular gay, I ain't not no weirdo like them ole lady-boys! Pick me pick me!"

Plot twist: Just because you're a "normal gay" doesn't mean you not gone still eat yo butta biscuit crumbs on the flo'.
 
When I was at school the workshop had to be evacuated when the teacher used the circular saw. Also she hasn't tied her hair back, which must be against health and safety rules (and common sense).

P.S. I just watched the video from which that screenshot was taken. There are several people strolling around and neither they nor the teacher are wearing protective footwear. And although it's only a short clip she looks to me to be lacking confidence in her handling of the saw. But hey, who gives a flying fuck about teachers cutting their fingers off and encouraging dangerous workshop practices, gender expression is all that really matters!
 
@rareboy I notice you described the subject of the article as "this transgender person", thereby avoiding the two pronouns most the English speakers use to describe humans, that is, he or she. Why?

I referred to Lemieux jokingly as a "wannabe woman" because he has presented himself as a joke, a clown of sorts. How else to explain the choices he has made in the way he presents himself to the world and, most importantly in this context, his school and classroom. The radical transgender lobby is fond of bringing up the mental health of transgender children, but imagine the horror and dread a transgender child in Lemieux's classroom would feel witnessing this sideshow.

I would not have referred to the writer and adventurer Jan Morris (born James, and whose works I have read with great interest and pleasure) in this manner, nor would I do so in referring to the vast majority of transgender persons who simply want to get on with their lives.

I'd appreciate citations of examples of stories from the "sensationalist gutter press that goes out of its way to diminish and demean transgender people." If the Biden Administration hadn't chosen virtue signal its appointment of a "gender fluid" man to a position of some importance, and that man hadn't chosen to present himself in a sensationalistic manner, and he hadn't been a thief, he would not be a story most people would care about. (The New Yorker might do a long, sober, serious article about his life and career, but I'd probably be the only one posting here to read it.) Likewise the case of Lemieux. There may be other transsexual teachers in Canada, but they do not dress and behave in a manner that calls attention to themselves. I expect that they simply want to get on with their lives living as the sex they feel they are. They are not looking for attention.

It has occurred to me that Lemieux's stunt is a ploy to:

1. Be suspended with pay from his teaching position. Because of the anti-discrimination law, he will never be fired, and will therefore collect his salary until Old Age Security payments kicks in, or

2. Agree to resign with a handsome settlement, or

3. Be fired and then sue for discrimination.

But most likely, he is simply a bad person. I was about to write "disturbed", as if he were not responsible for his actions, but I don't believe that. I think he is a bad person.

In the third paragraph I referred to Jan Morris. I assume rareboy knows who she is and perhaps has read books or articles by and/or about her. She was quite an interesting and commendable person and would be whether or not she was transgender.


Also:


Final paragraphs from the Guardian article above:

"When Jan and Elizabeth die, they will be buried together on an island in a stream near their home, beneath a stone bearing an inscription in both English and Welsh that says: “Here lie two friends, at the end of one life.”

"During the course of that life, Jan has gone wherever she pleased, and reported back on what the world is like for those of us who have not taken the trouble to explore it fully or with such an open mind. For this we should be very grateful."

(Elizabeth was Morris's wife.)
 
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