President Obama addresses the nation, declares war. . .

[TX-Beau]

UKRAINE, Uganda, Uruguay, United Arab Emirates...

 

[Kulindahr]

Well, we are now on the slippery slope. Ground troops - "boots on the ground" - are now on the table.

Kinda makes a guy believe in Teddy Roosevelt's "shadow government" behind the scenes: we elect a Democrat, and he runs things just like the Republicans.

 

[Benvolio]

Kinda makes a guy believe in Teddy Roosevelt's "shadow government" behind the scenes: we elect a Democrat, and he runs things just like the Republicans.

You forget, democrats got us into WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Cold War. Democrats are the party of war.

 

[mightbe]

You forget, democrats got us into WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Cold War. Democrats are the party of war.

WTF? Those wars had NOTHING to do with parties, and nobody "got" anybody into the Cold War. We were one of the two de facto "pseudo-belligerents".

 

[TX-Beau]

You forget, democrats got us into WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Cold War. Democrats are the party of war.

Let's play who can spot the logical fallacy!

 

[palbert]

You forget, democrats got us into WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Cold War. Democrats are the party of war.

You know, sometimes your posts can really be laughable. This is such a time.

 

[Rolyo85]

You forget Republicans created slavery, HIV and beating your wife.

 

[TX-Beau]

Be fair, beating your wife was started by evangelicals - Pubs invented beating OTHER people's wives.

 

[Benvolio]

You forget, democrats got us into WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Cold War. Democrats are the party of war.

If a Republican had been President at the inception of sny of those wars, you would blame him and his party. You cannot change the facts by your hypocrisy.

 

[Rolyo85]

If a Republican had been President at the inception of sny of those wars, you would blame him and his party. You cannot change the facts by your hypocrisy.

You mean like how a Republican was President when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

[xbuzzerx]

If a Republican had been President at the inception of sny of those wars, you would blame him and his party. You cannot change the facts by your hypocrisy.

You mean like how a Republican was President when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

lol wut.

To Ben WWI and WWII were optional wars he opposes in hindsight because Dem Admins were in power? K.

JFK successfully averted probably the closest moment we've ever come to WWIII. Another Dem failure, I suppose.

 

[Rolyo85]

That doesn't count! Unlike with guns preventing crime without needing proof, Dems need proof if they've prevented wars.

 

[Kulindahr]

You mean like how a Republican was President when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

Such an idiot. Doesn't matter what president was in charge in WWI or WWII, it was the other guy who started it. Seriously, were we just supposed to ask Japan for an apology after Pearl Harbor?

 

[palbert]

Well, further to post #74, one of the impediments to Turkey's anti-ISIS involvement has been resolved.


Dozens of Turkish Hostages Held by Islamic State Are Freed [NYTimes]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/isis-releases-hostages-turkish-consulate-mosul

At just about the same time - are they connected? - Turkey has opened its borders to some of the Kurds fleeing ISIS. This has implications for Turkey's own Kurdish population.

Turkey opens border to 45,000 Kurds fleeing Isis in Syria [The Guardian]

 

[Benvolio]

Such an idiot. Doesn't matter what president was in charge in WWI or WWII, it was the other guy who started it. Seriously, were we just supposed to ask Japan for an apology after Pearl Harbor?

Out participation in WWI was avoidable. Wilson wanted a seat at the table to advance his League of Nations. Roosevelt wanted to enter WWII against the wishes of the people. He provoked the Japanese, then ignored the possibility of the attack and did not guard against it.

 

[kallipolis]

Out participation in WWI was avoidable. Wilson wanted a seat at the table to advance his League of Nations. Roosevelt wanted to enter WWII against the wishes of the people. He provoked the Japanese, then ignored the possibility of the attack and did not guard against it.

Arthur Zimmerman the German Foreign Minister, sent a ******** to the Mexican Government...intercepted by British intelligence...inviting Mexico to invade the United States and "recover" conquered Mexican territory...further, the German Navy resumed unrestricted sinking of Allied, and American merchant ships...leaving President Wilson with no other option, but to declare war on Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

I quote:

The Zimmermann ******** (or Zimmermann Note) was a 1917 diplomatic proposal from the German Empire for Mexico to join an alliance with Germany in the event of the United States entering World War I against Germany. The proposal was intercepted and decoded by British intelligence. Revelation of the contents outraged American public opinion. President Woodrow Wilson moved to arm American merchant ships to defend themselves against German submarines, which had started to attack them. The news helped generate support for the United States declaration of war on Germany in April of that year.[1]

 

[palbert]

Out participation in WWI was avoidable. Wilson wanted a seat at the table to advance his League of Nations. Roosevelt wanted to enter WWII against the wishes of the people. He provoked the Japanese, then ignored the possibility of the attack and did not guard against it.

Participation in war is always avoidable. It's called surrender.

 

[kallipolis]

Out participation in WWI was avoidable. Wilson wanted a seat at the table to advance his League of Nations. Roosevelt wanted to enter WWII against the wishes of the people. He provoked the Japanese, then ignored the possibility of the attack and did not guard against it.

Over a period of seven years Japan had swept its way through Manchuria, China and various European colonial possessions expanding their access to raw materials that they stated they were lacking as a result of American trade restrictions.

Ironically the Japanese Navy raid on the United States fleet moored at Pearl Harbor was inspired by a highly successful British Naval Air arm raid on the Italian fleet moored at Taranto.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/timeline/factfiles/nonflash/a1150796.shtml

I quote:

Masterminded by the British, the Taranto raid relied on stealth. Twenty-four aircraft bombed the Italian naval base of Taranto on 11 November 1940. Flown in from the British carrier Illustrious, the Swordfish biplanes attacked in two waves, leaving an hour between each attack.

 

[chrisrobin]

Out participation in WWI was avoidable. Wilson wanted
at the table to advance his League of Nations. Roosevelt wanted to enter WWII against the wishes of the people. He provoked the Japanese, then ignored the possibility of the attack and did not guard against it.

Guard against what?

This is total bullshit. Your feeble attempt to rewrite history is pathetic and embarrassing. The next thing I'm going to hear is that Roosevelt conspired with the Germans to attack Pearl Harbor. There's no end to the treachery of liberals. Were there any members of the State Department that were ancestors of Barry? Maybe they were illegal immigrants!

 

[Kulindahr]

Guard against what?

This is total bullshit. Your feeble attempt to rewrite history is pathetic and embarrassing. The next thing I'm going to hear is that Roosevelt conspired with the Germans to attack Pearl Harbor. There's no end to the treachery of liberals. Were there any members of the State Department that were ancestors of Barry? Maybe they were illegal immigrants!

There is some evidence suggesting that FDR knew the attack was coming and deliberately did not pass on the information. Given that some serious historians believe that, it's not an untenable position to hold. There's also evidence that the British knew Pearl Harbor was being targeted and kept the information from Washington.

BTW, my conclusion on it so far is that one of FDR's people knew, and didn't pass it on to FDR.