president Obama and transgender bathroom controversy

[Benvolio]

^ thats just rediculous.

Unisex bathrooms would solve this whole problem yet they won't even do that.

Here is the compromise: one transgender room in school, and charge admission, so those who expect special treatment can pay for it.

 

[TX-Beau]

Here is the compromise: one transgender room in school, and charge admission, so those who expect special treatment can pay for it.

Being able to go to the bathroom apparently is "special treatment." Men's room should be fee for service, don't want to give those nasty men special treatment - oh wait, they're all dressed in drag hanging out in the Women's rooms...

 

[jbrown329]

Wrong. Obama exceeds his powers with impunity. The supreme courts imposes new laws of its own invention with no regard for the Constitution. The democrats were as uncooperative with Bush as the Republicans are with Obama.

[h=2]Amendment XIV[/h][h=2]Section 1.[/h]All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

 

[jbrown329]

Wondering who in this forum supported Huckabee's run for president. And if they know that Huckabee thought that hiv positive persons should be rounded up and put in camps. And a very large portion of the jebus freak right completely supports that action.

So let's all get bent out of shape about who pees in which restroom. All the while, the MIC and corporations are stealing BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS of tax dollars. Nope. Look over there, look who's peeing there. Asshats, the entire right are asshats.

 

[smokeshadow]

IIRC back in 2013, a Republican controlled congress passed legislation to amend Title VII, Title IX and the VAWA to include language prohibiting discrimination based upon gender identity: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen..._lying_about_why_north_carolina_is_being_sued

It's precisely because of this that NC is being sued by the DOJ

 

[Kabluey]

Here is the compromise: one transgender room in school, and charge admission, so those who expect special treatment can pay for it.

There's no cost to anyone at all if you just use the toilet that suits you.

This is no different from segregated drinking fountains.
A bunch of prejudiced hicks falling over themselves to make life difficult for minorities, against all logic.

 

[jbrown329]

There's no cost to anyone at all if you just use the toilet that suits you.

This is no different from segregated drinking fountains.
A bunch of prejudiced hicks falling over themselves to make life difficult for minorities, against all logic.

It's the "American way".

 

[kallipolis]

IIRC back in 2013, a Republican controlled congress passed legislation to amend Title VII, Title IX and the VAWA to include language prohibiting discrimination based upon gender identity: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen..._lying_about_why_north_carolina_is_being_sued

It's precisely because of this that NC is being sued by the DOJ

An educational moment worth noting.

 

[Benvolio]

[h=2]Amendment XIV[/h][h=2]Section 1.[/h]All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

Equal protection means equal. Does anyone claim that mens rooms are inferior to women's rooms or vice versa? Do your really think men have the Constitutional right to hang out the little girls locker rooms and showers? You can and are carrying the equal thing to absurd limits.

 

[jbrown329]

Equal protection means equal. Does anyone claim that mens rooms are inferior to women's rooms or vice versa? Do your really think men have the Constitutional right to hang out the little girls locker rooms and showers? You can and are carrying the equal thing to absurd limits.

Fine, let's round up every LGBT person in the country and put them in extermination camps. Will that make you happy? From things that you post, I think you'd be ecstatic.

 

[Kabluey]

Equal protection means equal. Does anyone claim that mens rooms are inferior to women's rooms or vice versa? Do your really think men have the Constitutional right to hang out the little girls locker rooms and showers? You can and are carrying the equal thing to absurd limits.

They're not men if they don't identify as men.

Why do you persist in inventing a mytholy of transsexuals being pedophiles?
You're willingly conflating the two to create hatred against an at-risk minority. Shameful.

 

[rareboy]

^ This.

It is the same false argument that has been used against homos by the deranged religious nuts for decades.

And it is really shameful.

 

[Benvolio]

They're not men if they don't identify as men.

Why do you persist in inventing a mytholy of transsexuals being pedophiles?
You're willingly conflating the two to create hatred against an at-risk minority. Shameful.

No, the point is that if you say that "equal protection" prohibits the state from limitimg who uses what restroom, locker room,or shower, you cannot logocally say protection applies only to those whom you prefer. If it is discrimination to keep out boys who feel like girls, it is clearly discrimination to keep out other boys or men, including older men. Nothing in the Constitution gives Kabluey the exclusive to decide who can use the bathroom, and who cannot. Sure, any of us can say "oh, that's different", but if the state legislature cannot decide which differences to recognize, neither can you. Struggle to be logical.

 

[Benvolio]

Most boys and men identify as males. That is their gender identity. So, if the state cannot discriminate in showers by gender identity, boys and men have the right to use girls showers.
That is the great weakness of the DOJ case. For them to win, the Supreme Court has to hold that state must either let boys and men shower with the girls or provide separate cubicles for everyone. It will not be enough to provide cubicles for the transgendered, as boys will still have the right to shower with the girls. Far easier to rule that the present separate arrangements is not discrimination if the facilities are equal.
Is it not great that the dems have handed the Republicans this hot issue in the election year?

 

[xbuzzerx]

Equal protection means equal. Does anyone claim that mens rooms are inferior to women's rooms or vice versa? Do your really think men have the Constitutional right to hang out the little girls locker rooms and showers? You can and are carrying the equal thing to absurd limits.

What YOU are saying is that you should get to decide "what type" of women gets to use any of those things.

And that is why what you support is in violation of equal protections.

As far as simply referring to trans women as "men", that's equivalent of you putting your hands over your eyes and ears and saying you don't see or hear anything. That's your problem.

 

[smokeshadow]

unfortunately, or fortunately depending upon your opinions , women utilizing a women's restroom are being harassed: http://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-harassment?yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp

BTW - on unisex restrooms, they can not be prohibited as they are one of the "work-arounds" for complying with the American's With Disabilities Act

BTW #2 - there is a difference between a "bathroom" and a "restroom". A bathroom has bathing facilities (i.e. shower or tub). A restroom contains neither. Please help in clearing up this discrepancy

 

[Benvolio]

What YOU are saying is that you should get to decide "what type" of women gets to use any of those things.

And that is why what you support is in violation of equal protections.

As far as simply referring to trans women as "men", that's equivalent of you putting your hands over your eyes and ears and saying you don't see or hear anything. That's your problem.

No, but i say either the state legislature gets to decide what type of "women" can use the mens room or the womens room, OR anyone can use any room. If it is illegal to keep trans "women" out of the girls shower it is illegal to keep any boys or men out of any girls or womens room because of their male gender identity.
BTW i can't wait until Hussein"s beloved muslims find out that their daughters have to dress and shower with biological men.

 

[offthewall14420]

"This arm is my arm (and my wife’s), it is not yours. Up here I have a right to strike out with it as I please. I go over there with these gentlemen and swing my arm and exercise the natural right which you have granted; I hit one man on the nose, another under the ear, and as I go down the stairs on my head, I cry out:

“Is not this a free country?”

“Yes, sir.”

“Have not I a right to swing my arm?”

“Yes, but your right to swing your arm leaves off where my right not to have my nose struck begins.”

Here civil government comes in to prevent bloodshed, adjust rights, and settle disputes."

John B. Finch, Iowa City 1882

 

[xbuzzerx]

No, but i say either the state legislature gets to decide what type of "women" can use the mens room or the womens room, OR anyone can use any room.

So, you don't agree with Equal Protections. You agree with state legislatures having the right to enact any kind of discriminatory law at their discretion.

Why don't you move to a Muslim country where genders are segregated on pain of severe punishment or death?

 

[frankfrank]

There's no cost to anyone at all if you just use the toilet that suits you.

This is no different from segregated drinking fountains.
A bunch of prejudiced hicks falling over themselves to make life difficult for minorities, against all logic.

Just as transsexuals have been doing for all of our lifetimes.

I've never heard of a problem being caused by that long-time practice. NEVER. Not even once.

I'm sure there have been problems - not every human interaction everywhere in the world is reported in the news - but I guarantee these laws will cause massively more problems, assaults, or perhaps even killings. (Think STAND YOUR GROUND states - "But, officer I think he's a guy but he looked and acted like a woman. I was so scared for my life...so I shot him.")

Um, sort of like voters committing fraud...which almost never happens, but appears to be more "common" (or should I say slightly-less EXTREMELY RARE) than problems caused by people choosing to piss or shit in the bathroom that matches their sexual identity.