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PRISM: NSA/FBI Mining Internet Data since 2007

Jack Springer said:
What's insane -- why did the Administration get a court order to seize phone records of Rosen and AP when they already have that information plus much more?

If this was Bush -- most of you guys will be calling for Bush's impeachment or sending him to prison.

... just a little hypocritical, huh.
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Because one is phone records to be used in a legal leak investigation and the other is a portion of a massive data base that points to suspicious activity but doesn't necessarily single out a specific person UNLESS that phone number behaves in a foreign manner as defined by NSA.

I neither jumped for joy nor till I clucth my pearls when Bush did it and I certainly haven't changed. The only thing that has changed is the Rand Paul types who can go... OMG the kenayn socialist is doing THIS to you america.... can ya believe it?
 
^^^

I don't hear you calling for Obama to quit, be impeached, be censured or anything else.

Where's the anger?
 
Didn't call for Bush to be impeached... are you aying you are calling for Obama to be impeached? Why didnt you ask for Bush's head?
 
A call for Obama's impeachment would be premature.

As far as is known the decision extending NSA's mandate to the domestic sphere was made by a court exercising its independent judgment.
 
With the full knowledge of the congress. That is something republican talking about this ALWAYS fail to mention is that members of BOTH parties are out there excusing this behavior as non intrusive and necessary.

They cannot impeach Obama because they would put themselves on trial.
 
palbert said:
How do we lose any freedom if the government looks at material on the internet? That material is voluntary, never goes away, and is free to look at if one only goes to the trouble.
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Err what? Not sure if you're grasping what's going on here. The material/data in question is NOT free to look at for anyone. I wouldn't care much if the government checks what I post here, publically. But what your govenrment does here is reading your PMs here as well. (No, they do not do that, at least not on the JUB level, but they might do it on an ISP level). They listen to your private skype calls, to the chats that you have with your friends on facebook, to the e-mails that you send and receive. they know from where you logged on to facebook last and where your mobile phone usually is on a monday night.

this is NOT public information. this is NOT information that anybody agreed to be shared with your govenrment.


and yes, many people have warned about this for many years. but this always was loosely labeled as a conspiracy theory. we now have the fact that this has been very real for a long time.

but hey, it's easy pointing fingers at china, right?
 
frankfrank said:
We have a Republican president NOW.

Obama, and the first George Bush 1989-1993, are similar in many ways.

Except for the third rail of gay rights, Obama would have been blessed by the Republicans if it had been him instead of Bush running in 1988 (BUT if he ran on what he would eventually do in office...and, oh wait, he's Black).
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^^^QFT^^^. I honesty expected him to flip to the Republican Party long ago....before he ran for President the first time... and this is why I find the Republican opposition comical...how can they not recognize one of their own? I don't want to be on the same side as the Republicans so I stay silent in mixed company but when I am amongst fellow liberals...not so much.

As for the topic at hand...I always think in terms of a Pandora's Box and it was opened under Bush and at the time I saw it as a Pandora's Box and said so....Obama has just continued and expanded it as I fully expected he would.

In terms of loss of privacy....what is happening now will seem like the "good old days" 10-15-20 years from now.
 
@ Corny: See Post #6.

OUR law as presently interpreted does not favor your position. https://ssd.eff.org/your-computer/govt/privacy (Note: The EFF [Electronic Frontier Foundation] is leading the charge to make these proceedings public. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/07/justice-department-prism_n_3405101.html [Para. 3].)

Even Yahoo understands the concept of the indiscriminately open internet. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110215105943AA0aen6

As for this charming bit of naïveté

this is NOT information that anybody agreed to be shared with your govenrment. (sic)
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agreement is legally implicit in the internet communication: the communication is indiscriminately open.

I am content with my grasp.
 
Yep. Those who turned away when Bush was checking up on internet activities are all now running around in circles flailing their arms in the air now that a different administration is continuing the practice. Where was your outrage when Bush was doing it?
 
While everyone runs around like Chicken Little deploring this "snooping," they fail to grasp that NSA, by domestic snooping, had exceeded its mandate.

Unfortunately for such as argue that, if the FBI did it it would probably be lawful.

So in the end we are left arguing a distinction without a difference.
 
Jack Springer said:
^^^

I don't hear you calling for Obama to quit, be impeached, be censured or anything else.

Where's the anger?
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Your partisan irrationality is showing. Neither Bush nor Obama has done anything here of a nature justifying impeachment -- they're just using the law Bush got passed, and Obama got extended. Only an emotional partisan would think of impeachment here.
 
The Patriot act (lol) needs to go.

Jack wants to impeach Obama for failing to break the law? Or is it impeach him for exercising law only a right wingnut should have?
 
palbert said:
A call for Obama's impeachment would be premature.

As far as is known the decision extending NSA's mandate to the domestic sphere was made by a court exercising its independent judgment.
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According to a talking head last night, the court noted that no actual information, including email addresses, would even be seen by humans unless it connected with established threat patterns or some such thing. In other words, the computers chug through the data, and only keep what fits the profiles or connects with known bad guys.
 
palbert said:
@ Corny: See Post #6.

OUR law as presently interpreted does not favor your position. https://ssd.eff.org/your-computer/govt/privacy (Note: The EFF [Electronic Frontier Foundation] is leading the charge to make these proceedings public. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/07/justice-department-prism_n_3405101.html [Para. 3].)

Even Yahoo understands the concept of the indiscriminately open internet. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110215105943AA0aen6

As for this charming bit of naïveté



agreement is legally implicit in the internet communication: the communication is indiscriminately open.

I am content with my grasp.
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Isn't it a lovely system, where the government's actions only get judged by secret courts in secret decisions? If it's all secret, they don't really have to obey...

which apparently is what they're doing.
 
palbert said:
While everyone runs around like Chicken Little deploring this "snooping," they fail to grasp that NSA, by domestic snooping, had exceeded its mandate.

Unfortunately for such as argue that, if the FBI did it it would probably be lawful.

So in the end we are left arguing a distinction without a difference.
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And all they'd have to do is say the FBI was doing it, and the NSA was just providing the resources for the FBI.....
 
I goes without saying that the people who agree with this are part of the problem. But then they are generally the people who elected Bush in the first place so no shock there.
 
EDUCATIONAL and BACKGROUND:

Sources: NSA Sucks In Data From 50 Companies

Analysts at the National Security Agency can now secretly access real-time user data provided by as many as 50 American companies, ranging from credit rating agencies to internet service providers, two government officials familiar with the arrangements said.
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http://theweek.com/article/index/245311/sources-nsa-sucks-in-data-from-50-companies

Deep State excerpt: The NSA is the largest factory of secrets in the world

This is an excerpt from Deep State: Inside the Government Secrecy Industry, by Marc Ambinder and D.B. Grady. Over the next few weeks, we'll be running a series of NSA-related excerpts from the book here on The Compass.
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http://news.yahoo.com/deep-state-excerpt-nsa-largest-factory-secrets-world-085500104.html

Solving the mystery of PRISM

What exactly is PRISM? How does it work? Who uses it?
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http://theweek.com/article/index/245360/solving-the-mystery-of-prism

These articles are well worth the read in understanding these intelligence efforts.
 
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