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PRISM: NSA/FBI Mining Internet Data since 2007

While everyone runs around like Chicken Little deploring this "snooping," they fail to grasp that NSA, by domestic snooping, had exceeded its mandate.


I disagree. They collect and analyze signals of foreign intelligence value for the DoD and the intelligence community. No where in the executive order for its creation does the NSA get told to only collect signals overseas or on foreign shore. The original taps into the internet were to collect data from other nations as we created it and most of the information flowed through our country. Yet we didn't possess the computer technology to analyze all the massive amounts of data. We do now.

(b) National Security Agency, whose responsibilities shall include:
(1) Establishment and operation of an effective unified organization for signals intelligence activities, except for the delegation of operational control over certain operations that are conducted through other elements of the Intelligence Community. No other department or agency may engage in signals intelligence activities except pursuant to a delegation by the Secretary of Defense;
(2) Control of signals intelligence collection and processing activities, including assignment of resources to an appropriate agent for such periods and tasks as required for the direct support of military commanders;
(3) Collection of signals intelligence information for national foreign intelligence purposes in accordance with guidance from the Director of Central Intelligence;
(4) Processing of signals intelligence data for national foreign intelligence purposes in accordance with guidance from the Director of Central Intelligence;
(5) Dissemination of signals intelligence information for national foreign intelligence purposes to authorized elements of the Government, including the military services, in accordance with guidance from the Director of Central Intelligence;
(6) Collection, processing and dissemination of signals intelligence information for counterintelligence purposes;
(7) Provision of signals intelligence support for the conduct of military operations in accordance with tasking, priorities, and standards of timeliness assigned by the Secretary of Defense. If provision of such support requires use of national collection systems, these systems will be tasked within existing guidance from the Director of Central Intelligence;
(8) Executing the responsibilities of the Secretary of Defense as executive agent for the communications security of the United States Government;
(9) Conduct of research and development to meet the needs of the United States for signals intelligence and communications security;
(10) Protection of the security of its installations, activities, property, information, and employees by appropriate means, including such investigations of applicants, employees, contractors, and other persons with similar associations with the NSA as are necessary;
(11) Prescribing, within its field of authorized operations, security regulations covering operating practices, including the transmission, handling and distribution of signals intelligence and communications security material within and among the elements under control of the Director of the NSA, and exercising the necessary supervisory control to ensure compliance with the regulations;
(12) Conduct of foreign cryptologic liaison relationships, with liaison for intelligence purposes conducted in accordance with policies formulated by the Director of Central Intelligence; and
(13) Conduct of such administrative and technical support activities within and outside the United States as are necessary to perform the functions described in sections (1) through (12) above, including procurement.
 
I disagree. They collect and analyze signals of foreign intelligence value for the DoD and the intelligence community. No where in the executive order for its creation does the NSA get told to only collect signals overseas or on foreign shore. The original taps into the internet were to collect data from other nations as we created it and most of the information flowed through our country. Yet we didn't possess the computer technology to analyze all the massive amounts of data. We do now.

I think this will be a topic of earnest discussion. I personally don't care whether they exceeded their mandate or not.
 
I think this will be a topic of earnest discussion. I personally don't care whether they exceeded their mandate or not.


Now that they have the computing capability, regardless of authority granted, I wouldn't put it past them to continue to crunch data and then justify ends when they find something valuable. People sure as hell dont like getting blown up. But in line with the law they are doing their job.

To me, since it is a computer analyzing the data and their keyed into foreign or terror related subjects, then it is akin to a cop running radar. That cop is collecting data without your permission to justify whether or not he should give you a ticket. If you don't exceed a threshold then he lets you go and if you do he looks deeper. Sometimes they look and the guy speeding slightly isn't really that bad so they let him go. In some cases, those given a pass on a speeding ticket continue to speed and later get into auto accidents that kill other people. Is that cop at fault?

The same example can be made of the Marathon bombers. They had some flags (made the radar detector go off) but after a look there seemed to be nothing strange so they gave them a pass... four are dead and several hundred are either physically or mentally scarred for life. Is it the cops fault? Was anyone upset that they shutdown a entire metropolitan area over the incident?

I know I am wondering a bit ... however that is the light I look at this data gathering.
 
@JayHawk, at leisure read the articles in Post #40. They helped me a lot with PRISM. The author, and James Bamford (author, Body of Secrets), must have unique ties to the Agency.
 
@JayHawk, at leisure read the articles in Post #40. They helped me a lot with PRISM. The author, and James Bamford (author, Body of Secrets), must have unique ties to the Agency.

He does appear to know quite a bit but I have no idea if that stuff is true. Sounds about right. I imagine the agency will provide some more clarity but more importantly they will release info as to how it has thwarted a effort. I find it hard to believe that the agency is operating without decent oversight in this political climate. The republicans are trying to make Benghazi into a scandal instead of a tragedy and they have this bombshell??? doesnt jive.
 
I am NOT a criminal -- NOR do I expect to be TREATED by my government as a criminal -- they have NO RIGHT to collect this data on ME -- nor ANYONE else without cause...

This is a HUGE deal that MUST be undone -- going back to the middle ages where the Catholic Church began "list making" has ONLY ended up with MASSIVE murder; segregating and identifying classes, races, and even "thoughts"...

The government -- under ANY administration -- has no GOOD use for a database like this...

So -- the important question -- is how do we, as citizens, STOP them???
 
Besides the conspiracy theories about how is works have you read anything about this? try Palbert's links in #40.....
 
Besides the conspiracy theories about how is works have you read anything about this? try Palbert's links in #40.....

I just now did read them...

And I stand by my ORIGINAL statement -- there are possibly only FEW of us posters that have actually BEEN to the NSA like I, and probably you have...

Lets just say it BLUNTLY -- they are "'fraidy cats" -- I mean, hell, I even had to deal with DOGS running through my vehicle when I was there -- and I was there on LEGITIMATE and FOREWARNED business...

So -- I'm ONLY allowed in the "restricted areas" that I'm allowed in -- yet they're allowed to know EVERYTHING about ME???

I will not trade my pseudo freedom for security...

I am NOT afraid of terrorists -- even though my life may be taken by one...

I REFUSE to live in FEAR...

And I ALSO do NOT want to live in a country that is SUSPICIOUS of EVERYONE...



p.s. as far as metadata is concerned -- I was a CFO of a MAJOR international corporation -- I'm familiar with how it works in minute detail -- and it can be flexed for MANY purposes...
 
I will not trade my pseudo freedom for security...

Actually, there is no evidence whatsoever that PRISM has done anything at all to advance security.

Yes, of course, the administration makes that claim. But that is what they would say, regardless, isn't it?
 
^That is what Palbert's links in post #40 that Jayhawk wanted me to read suggested...

Therefore -- the comment...

And OF COURSE the administration is going to try and SELL their illegal INVASION of OUR privacy -- it is SICKENING...

:(:(:(
 
@swerve, howling at the moon is not a compelling way to argue.

An understanding - little evidenced - of the prevailing law will give your railing focus and a way forward.

There is much comment in the press and media of the negatives of these programs and our discussion would benefit from their reasoned advocacy. I do not present them because they do not sway me.
 
^Palbert -- one of the reasons I LIKE you SO MUCH -- is that I've ALWAYS known that you are WAY SMARTER than me...

I didn't realize I was howling at the moon -- but looking back at my posts, I probably was -- it is VERY EASY to get caught up in hyperbole...

But my central question remains...

How do WE as CITIZENS -- STOP THIS???

:):):)
 
Am I the only one who sees a possible connection between this, and Mississippi passing the law requiring DNA testing of unbilical cord blood when young mothers have babies? Their reasoning is that they want to find men guilty of statutory rape.

How, pray tell, does Mississippi get a DNA data base to compare the umbilical baby DNA to...where do they find a database of DNA for men who might "fuck around with" a girl who's 15 or 17?

Perhaps Mississippi plans to keep their own duplicate database of every DNA swab that they take.
 
@swerve, howling at the moon is not a compelling way to argue.

An understanding - little evidenced - of the prevailing law will give your railing focus and a way forward.

There is much comment in the press and media of the negatives of these programs and our discussion would benefit from their reasoned advocacy. I do not present them because they do not sway me.

^Palbert -- one of the reasons I LIKE you SO MUCH -- is that I've ALWAYS known that you are WAY SMARTER than me...

I didn't realize I was howling at the moon -- but looking back at my posts, I probably was -- it is VERY EASY to get caught up in hyperbole...

But my central question remains...

How do WE as CITIZENS -- STOP THIS???

:):):)

I see you stopping this about as much as citizens uniting to stop radar guns. My previous analogy stands.
 
Yeah and they will be made illegal... only way to avoid digital tracking by corporations and government is to leave the grid... buy a tent, forget money and prepare for World War Z!!
 
I said no grid.... my ass is so white right now..... it would spike a surveillance satellite.
 
Obama doesnt really care about liberties, just about using the NSA to collect data that hypothetically could lead them to stop a terror attack. Every argument made for use of the warrantless wiretapping and intense data monitoring of the American people have used hypothetical scenarios to justify the programs. Why stop at terrorism? Why not include bank fraud as the reason to monitor peoples phone calls, emails and video chat, or is using terrorism simply the most effective way to sell domestic spying? Yes.
 
While posting this looks like "they did it so the gubmint can too," read it to find out what non-gubmint institutions know about you.

Bits of you are all over the Internet. If you've signed into Google and searched, saved a file in your Dropbox folder, made a phone call using Skype, or just woken up in the morning and checked your email, you're leaving a trail of digital crumbs. People who have access to this information — companies powering your emails and Web searches, advertisers who are strategically directing ads at you — can build a picture of who you are, what you like, and what you will probably do next. Revelations about government counter-terrorism programs such as PRISM indicate that federal agents and other operatives may use this data, too.
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For example, when a group from MIT analyzed location data from cellphones of 1.5 million people in a single country over 15 months, the team could identify individuals simply by knowing where they were on four separate occasions.
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Advertisers already track our lives with astonishing accuracy going off very little information — Target has known when a woman was pregnant even before her family did. And just as advertisers are profiling you to make money, law enforcement and counter-terrorism operatives make use of these clues to hunt for suspects.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/f...feds-can-learn-your-digital-crumbs-6C10240840

Advertisers are ahead of the government in many ways.
 
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