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Proof: God is man made

That is all literalism to me. Real religion is not trusting in words, but E X P E R I E N C E. The original sacraments weren't placebo, but real mind-altering vegetation you would eat, drink, or both, or snuff. And you would actually experience ecstasy, and resurrection...feel me?

What the patriarchal realigions do is suppress the actual experience and substitute a literalist story which people then make into an image. Tut tut, didn't your 'God' tell you not to have images...? lol

For Traditional Christians the sacraments then, and now are grounded in the belief that their efficacy is generated out of that which the faithful person believes them to influence.

The sceptic might well suggest that the sacraments work on the placebo principle whereas, the believer trusts that the sacraments are the outward sign of an inward transformation.

The Christian sacraments are definitely not mind altering drugs (mushrooms?) that a village Shaman would use in Naturalist religious rituals.

Christianity does not suppress the actual experience substituting with a literalist story for to believe so is to ignore the mystical revelations that are an important manifestation of the divine influence on human life. There is an enormous library of material discussing the influence of the mystical upon human life within the context of the Christian story - even in this day.

Holy Scripture is filled with metaphor and parables to convey spiritual truths notwithstanding that the stories may not be based on verifiable act for mythos is born out of tribal allegories that have been passed on from generation to generation illustrating important events in the history of that tribal community.

For faith in God to be a tangible living experience there must be doubts for, just like the doubts and experiences of Doubting Thomas it is faith, that leads the faithful person to endure under the testing of living in faith until such time illuminating experience confirms their belief encouraging, a deepening of faith.

Faith is never an event it is a process of enlightenment that deepens the faithful person's, faithfulness in God - ending only at death.
 
I think it bears pointing out that merely regarding the facts is a meager way to think, whether one's account is reasonably accurate or not.

In deed for without solid input from his imagination what would an inspired detective do attempting to solve a crime were he to rely only on the visible facts when the suspects and the murder scene need an investigator who can research beyond the physical evidence?
 
To believe, there must be reason to believe, and that is always a matter of living the experience that faith in God encourages.

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I wonder why?

from a non scientific point of view, this is how we react in the time of crisis.
 
For Traditional Christians the sacraments then, and now are grounded in the belief that their efficacy is generated out of that which the faithful person believes them to influence.

The sceptic might well suggest that the sacraments work on the placebo principle whereas, the believer trusts that the sacraments are the outward sign of an inward transformation.

The Christian sacraments are definitely not mind altering drugs (mushrooms?) that a village Shaman would use in Naturalist religious rituals.

Christianity does not suppress the actual experience substituting with a literalist story for to believe so is to ignore the mystical revelations that are an important manifestation of the divine influence on human life. There is an enormous library of material discussing the influence of the mystical upon human life within the context of the Christian story - even in this day.

Holy Scripture is filled with metaphor and parables to convey spiritual truths notwithstanding that the stories may not be based on verifiable act for mythos is born out of tribal allegories that have been passed on from generation to generation illustrating important events in the history of that tribal community.

For faith in be a tangible living experience there must be doubts for, just like the doubts and experiences of Doubting Thomas it is faith, that leads the faithful person to endure under the tstof living in faith until such time illuminating experience confirms their belief encouraging, a deepening of faith.

Faith is never an event it is a process of enlightenment that deepens the faithful person's, faithfulness in God - ending only at death.

Wonderfully well put.

I love what President Stephen Veazey said here in Section 163 of Community of Christ (formerly the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) Doctrine and Covenants:

1. “Community of Christ,” your name, given as a divine blessing, is your identity and calling. If you will discern and embrace its full meaning, you will not only discover your future, you will become a blessing to the whole creation. Do not be afraid to go where it beckons you to go.

2 a. Jesus Christ, the embodiment of God’s shalom, invites all people to come and receive divine peace in the midst of the difficult questions and struggles of life. Follow Christ in the way that leads to God’s peace and discover the blessings of all of the dimensions of salvation.

b. Generously share the invitation, ministries, and sacraments through which people can encounter the Living Christ who heals and reconciles through redemptive relationships in sacred community. The restoring of persons to healthy or righteous relationships with God, others, themselves, and the earth is at the heart of the purpose of your journey as a people of faith.

3 a. You are called to create pathways in the world for peace in Christ to be relationally and culturally incarnate. The hope of Zion is realized when the vision of Christ is embodied in communities of generosity, justice, and peacefulness.

b. Above all else, strive to be faithful to Christ’s vision of the peaceable Kingdom of God on earth. Courageously challenge cultural, political, and religious trends that are contrary to the reconciling and restoring purposes of God. Pursue peace.

c. There are subtle, yet powerful, influences in the world, some even claiming to represent Christ, that seek to divide people and nations to accomplish their destructive aims. That which seeks to harden one human heart against another by constructing walls of fear and prejudice is not of God. Be especially alert to these influences, lest they divide you or divert you from the mission to which you are called.

4 a. God, the Eternal Creator, weeps for the poor, displaced, mistreated, and diseased of the world because of their unnecessary suffering. Such conditions are not God’s will. Open your ears to hear the pleading of mothers and fathers in all nations who desperately seek a future of hope for their children. Do not turn away from them. For in their welfare resides your welfare.

b. The earth, lovingly created as an environment for life to flourish, shudders in distress because creation’s natural and living systems are becoming exhausted from carrying the burden of human greed and conflict. Humankind must awaken from its illusion of independence and unrestrained consumption without lasting consequences.

c. Let the educational and community development endeavors of the church equip people of all ages to carry the ethics of Christ’s peace into all arenas of life. Prepare new generations of disciples to bring fresh vision to bear on the perplexing problems of poverty, disease, war, and environmental deterioration. Their contributions will be multiplied if their hearts are focused on God’s will for creation.

5 a. The Council of Twelve is urged to enthusiastically embrace its calling as apostles of the peace of Jesus Christ in all of its dimensions. The Twelve are sent into the world to lead the church’s mission of restoration through relevant gospel proclamation and the establishment of signal communities of justice and peace that reflect the vision of Christ. As the apostles move out in faith and unity of purpose, freeing themselves from other duties, they will be blessed with an increased capacity for sharing Christ’s message of hope and restoration for creation.

b. To accelerate the work of sharing the gospel, the Twelve and the Seventy should be closely associated in implementing wholistic evangelistic ministries. The seventy are to be the forerunners of Christ’s peace, preparing the way for apostolic witness to be more readily received.

c. Procedures regarding the calling and assignments of the Presidents of Seventy and members of the Quorums of Seventy shall be developed to facilitate the maximum level of collaboration with the Council of Twelve. The Twelve, the Presidents of Seventy, and the Quorums of Seventy should spend sufficient time together to ensure a mutual understanding of evangelistic priorities and approaches.

6 a. Priesthood is a sacred covenant involving the highest form of stewardship of body, mind, spirit, and relationships. The priesthood shall be composed of people of humility and integrity who are willing to extend themselves in service for others and for the well-being of the faith community.

b. Truly authoritative priesthood ministry emerges from a growing capacity to bring blessing to others. Unfortunately, there are some who have chosen to view priesthood as a right of privilege or as a platform for promoting personal perspectives. Others hold priesthood as a casual aspect of their lives without regard to appropriate levels of preparation and response.

c. The expectation for priesthood to continually magnify their callings through spiritual growth, study, exemplary generosity, ethical choices, and fully accountable ministry is always present. How can the Spirit fill vessels that are unwilling to expand their capacity to receive and give according to a full measure of God’s grace and truth?

d. Counsel given previously regarding the need to develop ways whereby priesthood can magnify their ministry or determine their commitment to active service remains applicable and should be more intentionally implemented. The First Presidency will provide guidelines for processes to be applied in culturally respectful ways in the various fields of the church. Fundamentally, however, the ultimate responsibility for priesthood faithfulness rests on the individual in response to the needs and expectations of the faith community.

7 a. Scripture is an indispensable witness to the Eternal Source of light and truth, which cannot be fully contained in any finite vessel or language. Scripture has been written and shaped by human authors through experiences of revelation and ongoing inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the midst of time and culture.

b. Scripture is not to be worshiped or idolized. Only God, the Eternal One of whom scripture testifies, is worthy of worship. God’s nature, as revealed in Jesus Christ and affirmed by the Holy Spirit, provides the ultimate standard by which any portion of scripture should be interpreted and applied.

c. It is not pleasing to God when any passage of scripture is used to diminish or oppress races, genders, or classes of human beings. Much physical and emotional violence has been done to some of God’s beloved children through the misuse of scripture. The church is called to confess and repent of such attitudes and practices.

d. Scripture, prophetic guidance, knowledge, and discernment in the faith community must walk hand in hand to reveal the true will of God. Follow this pathway, which is the way of the Living Christ, and you will discover more than sufficient light for the journey ahead.

8 a. The Temple is an instrument of ongoing revelation in the life of the church. Its symbolism and ministries call people to reverence in the presence of the Divine Being. Transformative encounters with the Eternal Creator and Reconciler await those who follow its spiritual pathways of healing, reconciliation, peace, strengthening of faith, and knowledge.

b. There are additional sacred ministries that will spring forth from the Temple as rivers of living water to help people soothe and resolve the brokenness and pain in their lives. Let the Temple continue to come to life as a sacred center of worship, education, community building, and discipleship preparation for all ages.

c. As these ministries come to fuller expression, receptive congregations in the areas around the Temple and throughout the world will be revived and equipped for more effective ministry. Vital to this awakening is the understanding that the Temple calls the entire church to become a sanctuary of Christ’s peace, where people from all nations, ethnicities, and life circumstances can be gathered into a spiritual home without dividing walls, as a fulfillment of the vision for which Jesus Christ sacrificed his life.

9. Faithful disciples respond to an increasing awareness of the abundant generosity of God by sharing according to the desires of their hearts; not by commandment or constraint. Break free of the shackles of conventional culture that mainly promote self-serving interests. Give generously according to your true capacity. Eternal joy and peace await those who grow in the grace of generosity that flows from compassionate hearts without thought of return. Could it be otherwise in the domain of God, who eternally gives all for the sake of creation?

10 a. Collectively and individually, you are loved with an everlasting love that delights in each faithful step taken. God yearns to draw you close so that wounds may be healed, emptiness filled, and hope strengthened.

b. Do not turn away in pride, fear, or guilt from the One who seeks only the best for you and your loved ones. Come before your Eternal Creator with open minds and hearts and discover the blessings of the gospel anew. Be vulnerable to divine grace.

11 a. God is calling for a prophetic community to emerge, drawn from the nations of the world, that is characterized by uncommon devotion to the compassion and peace of God revealed in Jesus Christ. Through divine grace and wisdom, this faith community has been given abundant gifts, resources, and opportunities to equip it to become such a people. Chief among these is the power of community in Christ expressed locally in distinctive fashions while upholding a unity of vision, foundational beliefs, and mission throughout the world.

b. There are many issues that could easily consume the time and energy of the church. However, the challenge before a prophetic people is to discern and pursue what matters most for the journey ahead.

Paragraphs 1, 4, 7, 9, 10 & 11 stick out the most to me. This section of the Doctrine and Covenants helped to shed light on the source of my faith when I thought I was losing it.
 
Thanks.

This:

there are many issues that could easily consume the time and energy of the church. However, the challenge before a prophetic people is to discern and pursue what matters most for the journey ahead.

In other words the personal experience of the faithful person is the encouragement that irrigates a life of faith.

Without our doubts being addressed by experiences that justify our reason for living in faith, our faith would remain an empty academic pursuit devoid of life and reason.

Faith in God can only be understood by the experience of living in faith.
 
Thanks.

This:

there are many issues that could easily consume the time and energy of the church. However, the challenge before a prophetic people is to discern and pursue what matters most for the journey ahead.

In other words the personal experience of the faithful person is the encouragement that irrigates a life of faith.

Without our doubts being addressed by experiences that justify our reason for living in faith, our faith would remain an empty academic pursuit devoid of life and reason.

Faith in God can only be understood by the experience of living in faith.

Agreed. Verses 10a-b are absolutely essential to be understood. God is Love.
 
That you believe that there is no God wouldn't such a cry for help be an irrational response during a time of crisis?

Acting irrationally in a time of crisis? Doesn't take much stretch of the imagination to see someone doing that.
 
So you must first believe before you can believe?

Not only that, Faith is a gift freely given if one ask God for it, yes, in faith you shall ask..Keep asking.

ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened to you.....This is the promise of Christ in Scriptures.
 
Acting irrationally in a time of crisis? Doesn't take much stretch of the imagination to see someone doing that.

One who categorically states that there is no God asking for help from God in a time of crisis is definitely an irrational response.
 
For Traditional Christians the sacraments then, and now are grounded in the belief that their efficacy is generated out of that which the faithful person believes them to influence.

The sceptic might well suggest that the sacraments work on the placebo principle whereas, the believer trusts that the sacraments are the outward sign of an inward transformation.

The Christian sacraments are definitely not mind altering drugs (mushrooms?) that a village Shaman would use in Naturalist religious rituals.

Christianity does not suppress the actual experience substituting with a literalist story for to believe so is to ignore the mystical revelations that are an important manifestation of the divine influence on human life. There is an enormous library of material discussing the influence of the mystical upon human life within the context of the Christian story - even in this day.

Holy Scripture is filled with metaphor and parables to convey spiritual truths notwithstanding that the stories may not be based on verifiable act for mythos is born out of tribal allegories that have been passed on from generation to generation illustrating important events in the history of that tribal community.

For faith in God to be a tangible living experience there must be doubts for, just like the doubts and experiences of Doubting Thomas it is faith, that leads the faithful person to endure under the testing of living in faith until such time illuminating experience confirms their belief encouraging, a deepening of faith.

Faith is never an event it is a process of enlightenment that deepens the faithful person's, faithfulness in God - ending only at death.

For there to BE a believer, there has to be a teller. To believe is not the same as direct experience. It is not being 'sceptical' to share the information that they replaced actual sacraments where you experience with placebos where you believe. If you had done the research you would know this.
 
For there to BE a believer, there has to be a teller. To believe is not the same as direct experience. It is not being 'sceptical' to share the information that they replaced actual sacraments where you experience with placebos where you believe. If you had done the research you would know this.

I agree that belief does not imply experience nor, is it automatically implied that placebos are the causation of an experience without proof that this is the case.
 
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