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Proposition 8 Has Officially Passed

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Just announced on FOX News and taken from the AP.

Major setback for Gay Rights, although a resident of California and seeing the support for "Yes on 8", I can't say I'm surprised.
 
Re: Proposition 8 Has Officiall Passed

I can't believe that California's Constitution can be changed that dramatically by just a simple majority vote. I always thought that a 2/3 vote or at least something higher than half was pretty standard.
 
Re: Proposition 8 Has Officiall Passed

Disgusting. It takes some of the wind out of last night's historic sails and puts a damper on Obama's surprising inclusion of "gay and straight" (in that order too!) in his victory speech.

A whole new world indeed.

glad someone else caught that in his speech.

i'm so mad right now I'm gonna go straight bash. Kidding, but still.
 
A bit shocking, exit polls reveal 7/10 black voters voted YES on 8

Not really all that shocking to me, at all.

Most Blacks have a very low tolerance of Gays. I think it all boils down to many Blacks are simply very religious and their Christian beliefs led them to vote this way.

And that really puzzles me about Blacks. Here they have been discriminated against for decades. And yet they are fine discriminating against Gays.
 
Not really all that shocking to me, at all.

Most Blacks have a very low tolerance of Gays. I think it all boils down to many Blacks are simply very religious and their Christian beliefs led them to vote this way.

And that really puzzles me about Blacks. Here they have been discriminated against for decades. And yet they are fine discriminating against Gays.


Yep, I find this to be the case as well. Yet, while holding these same Christian values, they seem to have little problem with the massive amounts of children being born out of wedlock in their community. It really is rampant. A friend of mine teaches 3rd grade and had 20 young black children in her class; when she asked how many had a father who lived at home, only 1 raised their hand.
 
Not really all that shocking to me, at all.

Most Blacks have a very low tolerance of Gays. I think it all boils down to many Blacks are simply very religious and their Christian beliefs led them to vote this way.

And that really puzzles me about Blacks. Here they have been discriminated against for decades. And yet they are fine discriminating against Gays.

Because marriage is something very visceral. As I tried to explain here:

Because to them it isn't a matter of equal rights.

There are two languages being spoken here, and the gap is causing animosity. To one side, "marriage" is just a word, something we can define as we need -- but to the other, marriage is something defined by God and handed down, not just a ceremony, but an expression among humans of God's own Self, an illustration of His nature and being, a step toward sharing God's presence in a small way.

So when it's proposed that "marriage" be changed to mean something other than that, the reaction isn't on the level of reason; it's a visceral response on the same level as if someone drove a manure truck to a dedication ceremony for a facility in memory of Matthew Shepard, with an all-gay band on the stage, and sprayed the entire place, people and all with fermented cow shit. It's akin to armed robbery where the perpetrator pisses on the children before leaving.
Yet those don't do it justice, because it's more to them as if those things just kept going, as if for us someone dumped manure in every gay club, bar, or other business, and every gay activity -- all the time, every day, without let-up; as though every time you turned to kiss your bf, a bucket of piss were dumped on you from above.

So one side says, "We want equal rights", but what the other hears is "We're planning to shit on your most precious stuff".

That's why I believe we need to get the word "marriage" out of the picture -- and not only that, but to acknowledge that marriage is a religious matter, and that the government will not seek to change it.
THEN we can address the issue of freedom of association, acknowledging marriage as one kind of association, but insisting (on the basis of the supreme authority of the land ordained by God) that all similarly deep sorts of association must have equal standing before the law.
 
I just saw it on fox while channel surfing......


SOOOO FUCKING PISSED.. :mad:

These people are nut jobs...

Marriage amendment my ass.
 
I'm very confident that California will allow Same-Sex marriage in the future. It's bound to happen. I feel that California is becoming more and more liberal with the passing years. I could be totally wrong... it's just from what I hear.

You guys are always welcome to Canada to marry! The whole country allows Same-Sex marriage.
 
Re: Proposition 8 Has Officiall Passed

I can't believe that California's Constitution can be changed that dramatically by just a simple majority vote. I always thought that a 2/3 vote or at least something higher than half was pretty standard.

yes 2/3 or 75% is a standard for referendum.
 
Voters under 25 years old voted overwhelmingly against Prop 8, so there is hope for the future. It may take another generation before it can really happen.

That itself is a sad commentary on our country. It really signals that we have given up on being a Republic, and prefer to be mobs fighting over things we like.
The only thing that should matter, if we still believed in a Republic, would be that "all men are created equal", and that all have the same rights, in this case to be free of someone else's religious opinion being enshrined in the law, and to have freedom of association with the same benefits others get -- regardless of race, color, gender, or creed. An educated, intelligent citizenry of a Republic would have voted this down with hardly a thought as so obviously contrary to liberty.

I'm very confident that California will allow Same-Sex marriage in the future. It's bound to happen. I feel that California is becoming more and more liberal with the passing years. I could be totally wrong... it's just from what I hear.

You guys are always welcome to Canada to marry! The whole country allows Same-Sex marriage.

Yeah, Canada...
where I can't choose how to defend myself or what with...
where I get persecuted at the border for a misdemeanor ten years old that isn't even a crime in Canada...
where the people I know are glad they live near the border, so they can cross over to get decent health care...



Wait, though -- does public nudity out in nature come under freedom of expression, up there?
 
well.....girls can go topless here....and bahaha about the healthcare...you mean we want to go to the states to pay thousands and thousands of dollars for healthcare...... In Canada we dont need guns as much as you americans looks at our homicide rates compared to yours.....think that might be because we do not allow guns?
 
Not really all that shocking to me, at all.

Most Blacks have a very low tolerance of Gays. I think it all boils down to many Blacks are simply very religious and their Christian beliefs led them to vote this way.

And that really puzzles me about Blacks. Here they have been discriminated against for decades. And yet they are fine discriminating against Gays.

Yea but on the other side of that A LOT of gay whites are extremely racist. The mainstream gay majority still very much oppresses minorities within the gay community. So why should black people automatically support gay rights just because they were oppressed when a lot of gays don't care about ethnic minorities?

And while percentagewise blacks are less tolerant on gay rights, blacks still are a minority and this couldnt get passed w/o the tons of white voters who also voted for Prop 8.

At the end of the day it is ridiculous something like this is even being left to a popular vote. That principle alone is completely unfair.
 
Voters under 25 years old voted overwhelmingly against Prop 8, so there is hope for the future. It may take another generation before it can really happen.

I think you are correct on this. Look at the age breakdown.

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Old people opposed it with the exact same percentage young people supported it. Middle aged was split. As soon as enough of those old people die off we will get equality.
 
Old people opposed it with the exact same percentage young people supported it. Middle aged was split. As soon as enough of those old people die off we will get equality.

Equality -- but not for all.
Like the hetero religious before you, you'll be grabbing to get your definition elevated, and leave out those who disagree.
 
Bloody disgrace! And this is the day news services all over the world are reporting that the U.S. has turned a new leaf in their attitude to minorities.

Gays: the last bastion of legitimized discrimination.
 
Guys, make no mistake, we will be back (no pun intended, Arnie). The days are past when gay advancement was measured in years. It will now be in months. Connecticut now allows you to marry too!

But we'll have to be less complacent and more aggressive in our politics. Be angry at bigots.

To quote Churchill, this is not the end, and this is not the beginning of the end. This is just the end of the beginning.

Good Churchill quote!

I belong to the Pink Pistols, and of course I think all gays would be smart to join and learn.
But at this point, maybe we need a "Rainbow Rifles" Gay Militia, to let people know we mean business....
 
Bloody disgrace! And this is the day news services all over the world are reporting that the U.S. has turned a new leaf in their attitude to minorities.

Gays: the last bastion of legitimized discrimination.

Oh, frak no!

But after us, the people discriminated against are very small minorities -- and since few if any gays seem to care about them, they'll likely never 'get' their rights.
 
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