"Proud to be an American" / RS' "The Kill Team"

[Lostlover]

So many failures and so many missed signs. Our soldiers were killing Afghans for fun. Please read this long piece before commenting. These soldiers deserve the death penalty like Bradley Manning.

And what's almost as frustrating is the Pentagon's nationwide cover up to save face.


Get us out of Afghanistan. We don't have a professional army. Too many controversies for the world's supposedly best army. We, Americans, need to have our army taken away from us like Japan and Germany. The US and the military don't mix.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327?page=1

 

[hotatlboi]

We don't have a professional army. Too many controversies for the world's supposedly best army.

Oh good grief. You are going to slander the professionalism of 1 million+ people in the US military based on the actions of a few low life idiots?

mmkay

 

[Lostlover]

A few? And you read a 9 page article in three minutes?

Or, don't tell me you're responding a thread without reading the link?

 

[Apollo]

So many failures and so many missed signs. Our soldiers were killing Afghans for fun. Please read this long piece before commenting. These soldiers deserve the death penalty like Bradley Manning.

And what's almost as frustrating is the Pentagon's nationwide cover up to save face.


Get us out of Afghanistan. We don't have a professional army. Too many controversies for the world's supposedly best army. We, Americans, need to have our army taken away from us like Japan and Germany. The US and the military don't mix.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327?page=1

Without the American military, we would loose our position and power. Not only that, we would be invaded the week we disbanded the military.

I am a liberal, but not even the most left liberals aren't stupid enough to call for the end of the military. Let's put down our bleeding heart flag and live in the real world now. Good God.

 

[Lostlover]

And who has invaded Germany and Japan since we whooped their asses and abolished their militaries? Please tell me. I'm all ears.

 

[Stardreamer]

And who has invaded Germany and Japan since we whooped their asses and abolished their militaries? Please tell me. I'm all ears.

Ahh that would be because of the US military that protected them.

 

[Telstra]

Sounds like US soldiers in Vietnam again.

 

[hotatlboi]

A few? And you read a 9 page article in three minutes?

Or, don't tell me you're responding a thread without reading the link?

The article indicates that a dozen men in one platoon and "at least 1" in another were involved in killing civilians.

So since you require more specificity, I will ask you again:

You are going to slander the professionalism of 1 million+ people in the US military based on the actions of 13 low life idiots?

 

[Stardreamer]

A few? And you read a 9 page article in three minutes?

Or, don't tell me you're responding a thread without reading the link?

In comparison to the size of the entire US military, yes it is a few, a very small number less than 1%. The vast majority of US servicemen and women are honorable, professional soldiers who are just as appalled by this as you are. Many of them would gladly volunteer for the firing squad for these scum who have tarnished the honor of the uniform.

 

[Apollo]

And who has invaded Germany and Japan since we whooped their asses and abolished their militaries? Please tell me. I'm all ears.

Germany and Japan are not America. They are FORMER super powers who lost their respective wars and now simply contribute to the global economy in their respective ways. Their level of responsibility and influence in the world is diminished significantly except for in the world of business maybe. Especially Japan with their technology market and development. And beyond that, they rely on US and NATO forces to keep them safe from invasion.

Comparing those countries to ours does not work. Sorry, try again,

 

[Lostlover]

Without the American military, we would loose our position and power. Not only that, we would be invaded the week we disbanded the military.

I am a liberal, but not even the most left liberals aren't stupid enough to call for the end of the military. Let's put down our bleeding heart flag and live in the real world now. Good God.

I asked you a question. Your greenlight is still saying you're online.

 

[BostonPirate]

Well champ, I've never hidden my support for the military.

I think your description of the article is enough. I don't care to read what inspired you to vilify alot of really good men and women.

If you're correct that this is what the story says, then I wont agree with you.

If you have incorrectly interpreted what the story says.... I wont agree with you.

I'm not wasting my time. I just wanted you to know that I don't like it when people criticize the soldiers. The policymakers and the career generals are one thing, but really... There are tens of thousands of men in all the diverse services who just wake up everyday and loyaly do as they are told in the name of honor and service to their nation.

Whatever one group of men may have done does not make it OK to judge them.

I respect your freedom to express how you feel about it. I just don't respect your opinion.

 

[Lostlover]

Germany and Japan are not America. They are FORMER super powers who lost their respective wars and now simply contribute to the global economy in their respective ways. Their level of responsibility and influence in the world is diminished significantly except for in the world of business maybe. Especially Japan with their technology market.

Japan's role has diminished? Biggest automotive manufacturer. Third biggest economy. Second largest aid donor?

And what country wants to take America over?

Germany and Japan lost their militaries just like America should. And yet both have done relatively well since. In fact they're the 3rd and 4th largest economies in the world.

You're dazed and confused. Japan and Germany were military and economic powers, kind of like us now. And both have flourished since their militaries were neutered.

 

[rareboy]

Face it. Every country with an armed force has a certain percentage of psychopathic killers, rapists and sadists on the loose wearing a uniform.

When it becomes state sanctioned, then it is the stuff of war crimes by the state.

Otherwise, even when a small group of headcases run riot...it is likely more of a Lord of the Flies scenario.

In Canada, the entire 51st Airborne Division of our armed forces was disbanded and every building they occupied on base was demolished after they brought dishonour to their country.Even now, for all those who served honourably in the Airborne, they are forever stained by the actions of one renegade group of evil boys.

 

[Lostlover]

We spend more on our military than the next 25 countries combined with 24 of them our allies. This comes to about $730 billion a year on unarmored humvees before the Iraq war. A great socialized medicine system, something the party most military men support describes as socialism.

Where there's smoke there's fire. How many goof ups before we reevaluate our military? A couple hundred thousand more innocent people? Another group of girls raped?

I supported our presence in Afghanistan until reading this article and the cover up by the Pentagon. We need to get out and maybe reentered when we have eliminate cold blooded killers in our army or when soldiers don't have a god like status here in the US. Cause let's face it, no one is fighting for our freedom. Who threatened it? Saddam? Afghan villagers?

It's time we became a part of the world and not a bully. We need to cut funding to the military and spend that money on the debt. We're not mature enough as a country to have a military.

Well champ, I've never hidden my support for the military.

I think your description of the article is enough. I don't care to read what inspired you to vilify alot of really good men and women.

If you're correct that this is what the story says, then I wont agree with you.

If you have incorrectly interpreted what the story says.... I wont agree with you.

I'm not wasting my time. I just wanted you to know that I don't like it when people criticize the soldiers. The policymakers and the career generals are one thing, but really... There are tens of thousands of men in all the diverse services who just wake up everyday and loyaly do as they are told in the name of honor and service to their nation.

Whatever one group of men may have done does not make it OK to judge them.

I respect your freedom to express how you feel about it. I just don't respect your opinion.

 

[Stardreamer]

Japan's role has diminished? Biggest automotive manufacturer. Third biggest economy. Second largest aid donor?

And what country wants to take America over?

Germany and Japan lost their militaries just like America should. And yet both have done relatively well since. In fact they're the 3rd and 4th largest economies in the world.

You're dazed and confused. Japan and Germany were military and economic powers, kind of like us now. And both have flourished since their militaries were neutered.

It has been pointed out to you more than once now that Germany and Japan were protected by the US Military and the NATO (in Germany's case) after their armies were disbanded and reconstructed.

 

[Lostlover]

The article indicates that a dozen men in one platoon and "at least 1" in another were involved in killing civilians.

So since you require more specificity, I will ask you again:

You are going to slander the professionalism of 1 million+ people in the US military based on the actions of 13 low life idiots?

It's not just 13. All the people that dropped the ball with the Fort Hood shooter? All the military brass that listened to a chicken hawk in Rumsfeld who wanted to enter Iraq with 50k troops even though they were calling for 250,000 troops. Or the soldiers that raped Iraqi girls and then torched the girls and their families? Or the army men in Japan that carelessly ran over the Japanese girl. Or the countless soldiers that have come back and killed their pregnant wives/fiancées. Or the Muslim soldier that shot and killed his colleagues on the eve of the Iraq war. Or the Muslim soldier that shot up a recruiting center killig several people. Or Bradley Manning. Or the tens or maybe hundreds of addict soldiers the article alludes to that get high off of Afghan hashish, even disabling smoke alarms so they can get high on base. Or GENERAL McChrystal who went to the press to pressure Obama into signing off on an Afghan surge so he can get another military high, thus blurring the lines between an advanced country and a banana boat republic where the military makes the country's foreign policy.

That's a couple hundred people there at least. And these are the incidences we know of.

 

[Lostlover]

It has been pointed out to you more than once now that Germany and Japan were protected by the US Military and the NATO (in Germany's case) after their armies were disbanded and reconstructed.

Who threatened to invade Japan? Malta?

And how did NATO prevent communism from spreading to Germany?

 

[hotatlboi]

That's a couple hundred people there at least.

That is still at least three orders of magnitude smaller than the number of patriotic brave Americans who are serving their country with distinction and principle. And that is just current Active Duty soldiers.

Which makes your slander totally baseless.

 

[Stardreamer]

It's not just 13. All the people that dropped the ball with the Fort Hood shooter? All the military brass that listened to a chicken hawk in Rumsfeld who wanted to enter Iraq with 50k troops even though they were calling for 250,000 troops. Or the soldiers that raped Iraqi girls and then torched the girls and their families? Or the army men in Japan that carelessly ran over the Japanese girl. Or the countless soldiers that have come back and killed their pregnant wives/fiancées. Or the Muslim soldier that shot and killed his colleagues on the eve of the Iraq war. Or the Muslim soldier that shot up a recruiting center killig several people. Or Bradley Manning. Or the tens or maybe hundreds of addict soldiers the article alludes to that get high off of Afghan hashish, even disabling smoke alarms so they can get high on base. Or GENERAL McChrystal who went to the press to pressure Obama into signing off on an Afghan surge so he can get another military high, thus blurring the lines between an advanced country and a banana boat republic where the military makes the country's foreign policy.

That's a couple hundred people there at least. And these are the incidences we know of.

A couple of hundred out of 3 million in uniform? That something like 0.006% of the population. Now compare that to the percentage of crime in the general population.