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"Proud to be an American" / RS' "The Kill Team"

Lostlover said:
We spend more on our military than the next 25 countries combined with 24 of them our allies. This comes to about $730 billion a year on unarmored humvees before the Iraq war. A great socialized medicine system, something the party most military men support describes as socialism.

Where there's smoke there's fire. How many goof ups before we reevaluate our military? A couple hundred thousand more innocent people? Another group of girls raped?

I supported our presence in Afghanistan until reading this article and the cover up by the Pentagon. We need to get out and maybe reentered when we have eliminate cold blooded killers in our army or when soldiers don't have a god like status here in the US. Cause let's face it, no one is fighting for our freedom. Who threatened it? Saddam? Afghan villagers?

It's time we became a part of the world and not a bully. We need to cut funding to the military and spend that money on the debt. We're not mature enough as a country to have a military.
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There is a way for America to maintain military superiority without having to use it as a diplomatic tool.

The solution is to be responsible. Dismantling the entire service due to the dishonor of 13 men?

It makes no sense to me. I don't even understand how you can make that leap in judgement.

America needs to learn restraint, not castrate itself.

In more ways than one it seems.
 
Stardreamer said:
You answered your own question previously, the Soviet Union. Why are you completely ignoring the history of the Cold War like it never happened?
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No, someone made a foolish claim that someone would try to invade this country. And we have nukes too.

I asked what was he basing such a claim off of? It's not history. No one has invaded Germany or Japan. The Soviet's tried to influence Germany, but that's not an invasion.

So who will invade us, I ask again?
 
Lostlover said:
Japan's role has diminished? Biggest automotive manufacturer. Third biggest economy. Second largest aid donor?

And what country wants to take America over?

Germany and Japan lost their militaries just like America should. And yet both have done relatively well since. In fact they're the 3rd and 4th largest economies in the world.

You're dazed and confused. Japan and Germany were military and economic powers, kind of like us now. And both have flourished since their militaries were neutered.
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Well I will let you live in your fantasy world. Do you think world peace is a year away too?

Japan and Germany both flourish because they are protected by NATO and America. I am most certain China would love some revenge on Japan for WW2 and so would a lot of other countries in the pacific.

Both Japan and Germany were forced to give up their militaries, and both after being reassured they would be protected by their neighboring countries.

But I refuse to debate someone so delusional on the world today. And too bleeding heart liberal. I love my extreme liberals, but you are too much.
 
Lostlover said:
No, someone made a foolish claim that someone would try to invade this country. And we have nukes too.

I asked what was he basing such a claim off of? It's not history. No one has invaded Germany or Japan. The Soviet's tried to influence Germany, but that's not an invasion.

So who will invade us, I ask again?
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Sooo you would rather use nukes as opposed to a army, marines, naval force? Riiiight. Because slaughtering innocent people by the millions is so much better than killing a proper enemy, and having a few idiots be murdering idiots here and there.

Not to mention, how is it foolish to invade a powerful country with all of our resources and land with an established and complex infrastructure as ours with no military? China and Russia would be the first to try and invade, one on each coast.


The soviets also wanted to invade Germany, but were afraid of US military intervention sparking off another World War. aka the Cold War.
 
Lostlover said:
No, someone made a foolish claim that someone would try to invade this country. And we have nukes too.

I asked what was he basing such a claim off of? It's not history. No one has invaded Germany or Japan. The Soviet's tried to influence Germany, but that's not an invasion.

So who will invade us, I ask again?
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Hard to say but that does not mean it could not happen. If the US simply tossed aside the Mantle of Rome without another country to take it up it would most likely suffer the fate of Rome. Not conquered by a single enemy but piecemeal from within and without. I would rather wait for the successor (most likely China) to grow enough to take up the mantle and able to ensure global stability before that happens.
 
Lostlover said:
And who has invaded Germany and Japan since we whooped their asses and abolished their militaries? Please tell me. I'm all ears.
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Abolished their militaries? Maybe in Japan, but they've still got a hefty one; as for Germany, they've been one of the strong pieces of NATO.

And no one has bothered them because they're our 'clients'.


As for these murderers, they should be turned over to local justice and hanged.

Investigations should not be carried out by people with an interest in covering up. If it weren't for his lapses into la-la land, LostLover would be the type to do these.


But the problem stems from something I've been watching for three years now: the continually lowering standards for entry into the Army. They've lowered their official standards, and granted an increasing number of "moral waivers" as well. So they get riff-raff with little respect for other humans in the first place, frequently with a gang mentality, often racist, despite the official standard barring gangs and racists.

The Marines refuse to budge on their standards, and they're not having these problems; in fact they've tightened their review of applicants; the Rangers have done the same.

FWIW -- maybe it will help pacify Lost's delusional urges -- a special Congressional commission has been formed to look into recruiting standards. One of the first things they're pounding on is to get the Army to enforce what's in their rule book, that known racists will be booted with a dishonorable discharge.
 
Kulindahr said:
But the problem stems from something I've been watching for three years now: the continually lowering standards for entry into the Army. They've lowered their official standards, and granted an increasing number of "moral waivers" as well. So they get riff-raff with little respect for other humans in the first place, frequently with a gang mentality, often racist, despite the official standard barring gangs and racists.
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And we're your neighbours.

When you invade, please only send the Navy and the Marines.
 
Lostlover said:
Video of soldiers shooting two Afghan men in cold blood. I was so waiting for the faggot bomb to have been dropped since it was two men innocently riding their bikes

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/photos/motorcyle-kill-20110327/0692075?stop_mobi=yes
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Is this how you fight war? :grrr:
Very unprofessional and trigger happy. If the bike got bombs, those stupid soldiers would be dead.


The shooter(s) said something like " ... on me ... " sounds like not a stable person.
 
Telstra said:
Is this how you fight war? :grrr:
Very unprofessional and trigger happy. If the bike got bombs, those stupid soldiers would be dead.


The shooter(s) said something like " ... on me ... " sounds like not a stable person.
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No. Don't buy into LL's trash.

We're talking about 13 men that do not represent the other 3 million service members. They were not given orders to do this and were not supported. Don't slander the rest based on the idiocy of a few.
 
Stardreamer said:
A couple of hundred out of 3 million in uniform? That something like 0.006% of the population. Now compare that to the percentage of crime in the general population.
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This is what we know of.

Also, led me add the DC Sniper, John Allan Muhammad, who went on a rampage terrorizing the DC area.
 
JB3 said:
No. Don't buy into LL's trash.

We're talking about 13 men that do not represent the other 3 million service members. They were not given orders to do this and were not supported. Don't slander the rest based on the idiocy of a few.
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Not saying all the service members but history(Vietnam !!!!) tells us otherwise.
And the proofs are the videos from Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
There are also stories that record heroic actions by Coalition soldiers serving in Afghanistan, which remind us that the human person is also able to perform noble deeds.

Here is an example, sourced from an Irish newspaper:

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-...ldier-and-surgeon-to-be-honoured-2600200.html

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Corporal Aran Rushe, a medic in the 1st Battalion The Royal Irish Regiment, ran towards fire from Taliban gunmen to rescue eight-year-old Sheefa, who had been shot in the stomach, before carrying her back to his patrol base in Nad-e-Ali.

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JB3 said:
We're talking about 13 men that do not represent the other 3 million service members. They were not given orders to do this and were not supported. Don't slander the rest based on the idiocy of a few.
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I agree that there will always be some inhuman assholes in a big mass. But what is most uncomfortable about this incident is that one of the "kill team" members, who was more or less bullied to be a part of the team, alarmed his father about the murders very early.
His father phoned multiple high ranking army people and talked on their mailboxes - none of them got back to him. His father called the home-base of his son and finally got to talk to an officer there for 30+ mins. The officer promised to get back to him - yet nothing happened.
THIS could have been stopped early on. But when multiple people in the high positions, people who are supposed to prevent stuff like that turn a blind eye and protect murderers like those - are you sure that those are just the mislead deeds of a few?
 
Corny said:
I agree that there will always be some inhuman assholes in a big mass. But what is most uncomfortable about this incident is that one of the "kill team" members, who was more or less bullied to be a part of the team, alarmed his father about the murders very early.
His father phoned multiple high ranking army people and talked on their mailboxes - none of them got back to him. His father called the home-base of his son and finally got to talk to an officer there for 30+ mins. The officer promised to get back to him - yet nothing happened.
THIS could have been stopped early on. But when multiple people in the high positions, people who are supposed to prevent stuff like that turn a blind eye and protect murderers like those - are you sure that those are just the mislead deeds of a few?
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The military machine moves at a painfully slow pace. No one wants to jeopardise their career in order to investigate inhumane behaviour by serving soldiers.

The blind eye syndrome is a common feature of life in the armed forces of all countries.

The media needs to be much more involved in exposing these murderous acts that can only bring dishonour, and shame on the entire American military machine.

It will happen again, and we will witness the same inertia on the part of the military high command to investigate, and punish the culprits.
 
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