On-Topic Putting blame EVERYWHERE it belongs.

[TickTockMan]

I do not see any bridges being built. The alt left is intending to get rid of the Democrats in Office in 2018...how exactly can there be any unity?

I agree. After open cheating and insults why should we support corrupt politicians. The DNC did this to themselves!

 

[luckynumbah7]

Sure it is. One way helped the rise and the other was trying to help people in general. All the DNC did was help themselves to more money and power, while not doing much of anything for regular people.

Arguing over whose fault the shit-pile is, is not going to get rid of said pile. Get rid of it first - complain at each other later.

 

[eastofeden]

Earlier you said we don't stand for any of the same things. Why so inconsistent?

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We don't...because you people are unwilling to compromise or listen to anyone else and have no clue in the big picture what is takes to move forward.....so we are completely on different sides.

The manner in which you present your message only HURTS the chances of single payer ever happening. You come across as militant and whiny and entitled and uniformed and EXTREMELY naive....and have no interest in compromise....so you are on your own side.

I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater...you and your people will. That is I N S A N E.....so no...we are NOT on the same side.

PS...I am done with this conversation. I have said what I had to say...

 

[TickTockMan]

We don't...because you people are unwilling to compromise or listen to anyone else and have no clue in the big picture what is takes to move forward.....so we are completely on different sides.

The manner in which you present your message only HURTS the chances of single payer ever happening. You come across as militant and whiny and entitled and uniformed and EXTREMELY naive....and have no interest in compromise....so you are on your own side.

I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater...you and your people will. That is I N S A N E.....so no...we are NOT on the same side.

PS...I am done with this conversation. I have said what I had to say...

Bye. See you in a bit.


You are right. We are uncompromising when promised things by the DNC and their leaders, but then find out that those same leaders help kill it. Why should we allow OUR leaders to fuck us over time and again so they can enrich themselves?


And how are we hurting our chances with getting Single Payer. Voters in California are already taking care of what needs to be done to get rid of leader Rendon, opening the doors for Single Payer in CA.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Sure it is. One way helped the rise and the other was trying to help people in general. All the DNC did was help themselves to more money and power, while not doing much of anything for regular people.


Nothing will change without admitting where they went wrong.


"Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it."

You're accusing centrist Democrats of helping the rise of Nazis on our streets?

Just to be clear, is that so?

 

[TickTockMan]

Now is not the time to worry about which strategy on the left is best.

There are Nazis marching on our streets.

Arguing over whose fault the shit-pile is, is not going to get rid of said pile. Get rid of it first - complain at each other later.

Every time people stand up for what they believe in there are those that say "now is not the time". When is the time. We have waited this long and there are Nazis in the street being supported by the president.

If not now, when? We can't keep putting it off and hope it goes away. Usually when people do that, whatever the thing is, gets worse.



Rosa Parks said it best:

 

[zoltanspawn]

Every time people stand up for what they believe in there are those that say "now is not the time". When is the time. We have waited this long and there are Nazis in the street being supported by the president.

If not now, when? We can't keep putting it off and hope it goes away. Usually when people do that, whatever the thing is, gets worse.



Rosa Parks said it best:

Now is the time to oppose Nazis.

Now is not the time to in-fight about how liberal we should be.

I bet Rosa Parks would agree.

But by all means, keep ranting about Hillary when people are saluting Hitler.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Every time people stand up for what they believe in there are those that say "now is not the time".

Rosa parks didn't complain at someone over the internet about the results that she didn't like because other black people thought there was another way to go about getting rights.* I'm saying don't spend so much time bitching at your 'foes' and do something constructive.

Complaining at each other gets you both jack and shit. Well, and a righteous feelings of moral & ethical 'accomplishment', I'm sure, but when has that ever fed or clothed a person?

Perhaps you were unaware, but the refusing to give up the seat everyone loves to reference (or take potshots at 'not doing', as you just did), that was a grassroots effort involving lots of people and community effort and a hell of an amount of fortitude. Complaining on the internet contains very little community effort with damn near no fortitude required.

*Well, she probably did, but it's not what you should be emulatin' in a public sphere. That stuff tends to be more personal complaints with peers, in my experience.

 

[TickTockMan]

Rosa parks didn't complain at someone over the internet about the results that she didn't like because other black people thought there was another way to go about getting rights.* I'm saying don't spend so much time bitching at your 'foes' and do something constructive.

Complaining at each other gets you both jack and shit. Well, and a righteous feelings of moral & ethical 'accomplishment', I'm sure, but when has that ever fed or clothed a person?


Perhaps you were unaware, but the refusing to give up the seat everyone loves to reference (or take potshots at 'not doing', as you just did), that was a grassroots effort involving lots of people and community effort and a hell of an amount of fortitude. Complaining on the internet contains very little community effort with damn near no fortitude required.

*Well, she probably did, but it's not what you should be emulatin' in a public sphere. That stuff tends to be more personal complaints with peers, in my experience.

I do both. It's my time. If you don't like it, ignore it.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Now is the time to oppose Nazis.

Now is not the time to in-fight about how liberal we should be.

I bet Rosa Parks would agree.

But by all means, keep ranting about Hillary when people are saluting Hitler.

Or Sanders, for that matter.

You'd think, right? But noooooooo. Just cuz the house is afire doesn't mean we can't apparently argue with Gramps about which grandchild forgot to turn off the fucking oven.

 

[TickTockMan]

Now is the time to oppose Nazis.

Now is not the time to in-fight about how liberal we should be.

I bet Rosa Parks would agree.

But by all means, keep ranting about Hillary when people are saluting Hitler.

Yes and what I am talking about helped give rise to the Nazis we are dealing with today. It is all related even if you would prefer to not accept it.


You don't fight a battle on only one front when it is coming from more than one. That just prolongs things and sets yourself up for failure.

 

[luckynumbah7]

I do both. It's my time. If you don't like it, ignore it.

Well good for you. You might have missed that it might not be your thread, however, as I'm pretty sure potshots made to look like politic threads aren't quite in the tos. Seeing as there's not an actual topic and all because you were referring to a specific member. And have yet to put in a clear topic, might I add. (linking an article saying 'a specific member does this' is not a topic).

Which I thought would've been beneath you; but, hey, dig your own hole. You'll get out've there eventually, older and wiser.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Yes and what I am talking about helped give rise to the Nazis we are dealing with today. It is all related even if you would prefer to not accept it.

You wanna look at what gave rise to Trump, check the mirror. That goes for one-and-all, past and present actions included. Next you can check the history books, because if you think a single man could've lifted us out've this mess, well. In that case, read more.

 

[luckynumbah7]

because if you think a single man could've lifted us out've this mess, well. In that case, read more.

Let alone prevented this mess. It's like believing racism and sexism and xenophobia and homophobia and every other bloody thing under the sun is a 'new thing' that somehow doesn't have centuries of roots in peoples' thoughts and routines and beliefs.

And before I sign off on this particular thread (because the concept of this thread really is beneath everyone involved; not the article, that could be discussed - but that the thread was made to trash a member who believes in largely the same shit you do minus the paths on how to achieve it, that public framing is so far beneath most people it isn't even funny. It isn't even ideology you're arguing about, it's bloody tactics!)

- anyway, my parting advice for the night; I highly suggest you not cherish the idea/belief that you're 'woke', and here's why; the people who believe they have all the goddamn answers usually find, in the end, that they had none at all. Because no one is capable of seeing the 'whole picture'. And the people who rely on a man and make him a myth are going to be sorely disappointed.

 

[TickTockMan]

Well good for you. You might have missed that it might not be your thread, however, as I'm pretty sure potshots made to look like politic threads aren't quite in the tos. Seeing as there's not an actual topic and all because you were referring to a specific member. And have yet to put in a clear topic, might I add. (linking an article saying 'a specific member does this' is not a topic).

Which I thought would've been beneath you; but, hey, dig your own hole. You'll get out've there eventually, older and wiser.

1) That was not in the OP.
2) A poster was only named because a mod wanted it.

You wanna look at what gave rise to Trump, check the mirror. That goes for one-and-all, past and present actions included. Next you can check the history books, because if you think a single man could've lifted us out've this mess, well. In that case, read more.

I have. I find it funny you agreed with me more in private than publicly. And I never said anyone was a cure all, you guys just like to imply it to do as the topic of the article in the OP says: "‘Bernie Bros’ and ‘Alt-Left’ Are Propaganda Terms Meant to Disempower".

 

[TickTockMan]

Let alone prevented this mess. It's like believing racism and sexism and xenophobia and homophobia and every other bloody thing under the sun is a 'new thing' that somehow doesn't have centuries of roots in peoples' thoughts and routines and beliefs.

And before I sign off on this particular thread (because the concept of this thread really is beneath everyone involved; not the article, that could be discussed - but that the thread was made to trash a member who believes in largely the same shit you do minus the paths on how to achieve it, that public framing is so far beneath most people it isn't even funny. It isn't even ideology you're arguing about, it's bloody tactics!)

- anyway, my parting advice for the night; I highly suggest you not cherish the idea/belief that you're 'woke', and here's why; the people who believe they have all the goddamn answers usually find, in the end, that they had none at all. Because no one is capable of seeing the 'whole picture'. And the people who rely on a man and make him a myth are going to be sorely disappointed.

As I said I never said any one person has all the answers.

 

[eastofeden]

OK...just one more thing....

It was the Bernie Bros and Cool Blue and Mystic and the other guy who insisted on defining ME as a person....telling me I am not Liberal or Far Left....as if I don't know who I am politically...and you were picking a fight...and you got one...

...and eventually I responded in kind. If you want to define other people politically...then expect it to come back to you. You people opened a Pandora's Box.....that is on you.

Addressing the topic:

The term Bernie Bros was coined by...Bernie Bros....

As for alt left...I never heard it before I said it. That isn't propaganda. It is an opinion based on an observation. Period.

 

[TickTockMan]

OK...just one more thing....

It was the Bernie Bros and Cool Blue and Mystic and the other guy who insisted on defining ME as a person....telling me I am not Liberal or Far Left....as if I don't know who I am politically...and you were picking a fight...and you got one...

...and eventually I responded in kind. If you want to define other people politically...then expect it to come back to you. You people opened a Pandora's Box.....that is on you.

Good to see you again. It's been a long time.


And your point is? I didn't mention your name until a mod had me. My point was in mentioning a poster, of which your were, is that we had those people in the article in the OP on JUB as well.

 

[eastofeden]

And your point is? I didn't mention your name until a mod had me. My point was in mentioning a poster, of which your were, is that we had those people in the article in the OP on JUB as well.

I made my point.

I can bring back article article after article describing YOU and people like YOU to a tee.....and it isn't flattering....

I missed the part where he asked you to mention my name but I already knew who you were referring to anyway...and I just had to decide this time if I was gonna respond...or not....

I let alot of it slide....

 

[TickTockMan]

I made my point.

I can bring back article article after article describing YOU and people like YOU to a tee.....and it isn't flattering....

And I am sure for every article you could produce someone could produce ties to Hillary and or the DNC. Doesn't mean much.

I missed the part where he asked you to mention my name but I already knew who you were referring to anyway...and I just had to decide this time if I was gonna respond...or not....

I let alot of it slide....

I am sure you did notice yourself being described in the article from the OP.