Rayshard Brooks killed by Atlanta Police [SPLIT]

[TX-Beau]

I'm sorry you feel this way. Can we talk about this without you hurdling insults my way? Because everytime you hurdle insults, it really does sound like you're angry.

I knew that going in I'll be facing an uphill battle. This often happens when you hold an opinion that is not popular with the particular crowd. I'm now apparently also not allowed to bring up personal experience in the matter because, as another user puts it, it would be me trying to talk about myself.

I'll just have to agree to disagree on this matter. I stand by what I said. Back when I was a cop, someone pointed a taser at me during a phsical altercation I would have shot him. Go ahead and ask other cops you know how they would have handled the situation.

This is why you're getting the reaction you're getting:

^ ...I will say that back when I was a cop if someone pointed a taser at me he would have gotten a bullet in his face. I don't care how politically incorrect that sounds.

That isn't an opinion, it's puerile posturing from someone who sounds like he's pretending to be some kind of bad-ass, and that's exactly the reason any cop who did this is a murderer. What you are describing is commiting a murder.

I'm not angry, I'm appalled.

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There is no moral, ethical, OR legal justification for executing someone who pointed a tazer at you. This isn't a policy dispute.

 

[Dominus]

This is why you're getting the reaction you're getting:

That isn't an opinion, it's puerile posturing from someone who sounds like he's pretending to be some kind of bad-ass, and that's exactly the reason any cop who did this is a murderer. What you are describing is commiting a murder.

I'm not angry, I'm appalled.

Not pretending to be a badass cop or whatever. Why did you think I quit? On this forum, I have stated many times I don't have the personality for it. In fact, I suspect many cops don't have the personality for it. Cops have the highest rate of divorce and suicides out there. And in my experience (again, I'm not talking out of my ass, I draw from my experience when talking about certain things) the ones that seem to thrive in this profession are the former school bullies. It really does take a certain type of personality to thrive in this profession.

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There is no moral, ethical, OR legal justification for executing someone who pointed a tazer at you. This isn't a policy dispute.

[Text: Removed] There is a HUGE difference between having a taser pointed at you and having a taser pointed at you during a physical altercation. If you go back to my previous posts, I said physical altercation multiple times.

The fact that you keep trying to make it sound like the taser was pointed at the cop with no surrounding context is the definition of a strawman. Do you not see the flaw in this logic?

Let's look at it another way. Let me say "I'm going to kill you".

Context is everything. Context could be we are at a party and someone just played a prank on me by dumping some kind of juice on me. I laughingly say out "I'm going to kill you".

Now, think of another situation. I'm fighting with with someone. There are weapons involved. I say "I'm going to kill you" as I get my hand on a gun or a knife.

Having a taser pointed at someone is pretty much the same thing. It needs context.

Edit.

Regarding context, some (bad) cops try to create their own narrative about the context. Remember this case?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ed-gun-man-picking-trash-outside-his-n1006851

That's an example of the (bad) cop trying to stir up shit with context. He repeatedly called the trash pickup thing the college student had as a "blunt object". In cop lingo, a blunt object is normally used for something that is intended to be used as a deadly weapon. The problem is some cops I used to know just started using that phrase to describe everything under the sun. That's a problem because that phrase is also used by cops as code for possible physical altercation with a deadly weapon. When I saw this case, I thought to myself the general public might not really realize how close that college student came to being killed by the responding cops.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

This is why you're getting the reaction you're getting:




That isn't an opinion, it's puerile posturing from someone who sounds like he's pretending to be some kind of bad-ass, and that's exactly the reason any cop who did this is a murderer. What you are describing is commiting a murder.

I'm not angry, I'm appalled.

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There is no moral, ethical, OR legal justification for executing someone who pointed a tazer at you. This isn't a policy dispute.

And so what even if you are angry? This shit happening is something to be angry about. Our emotions aren't something to be used against us or as a fault. Being angry about this stuff happening is completely warranted. Unless one is being irrational with those emotions, they are valid.

 

[TX-Beau]

Not pretending to be a badass cop or whatever. Why did you think I quit? On this forum, I have stated many times I don't have the personality for it. In fact, I suspect many cops don't have the personality for it. Cops have the highest rate of divorce and suicides out there. And in my experience (again, I'm not talking out of my ass, I draw from my experience when talking about certain things) the ones that seem to thrive in this profession are the former school bullies. It really does take a certain type of personality to thrive in this profession.


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[Text: Removed] There is a HUGE difference between having a taser pointed at you and having a taser pointed at you during a physical altercation. If you go back to my previous posts, I said physical altercation multiple times.

The fact that you keep trying to make it sound like the taser was pointed at the cop with no surrounding context is the definition of a strawman. Do you not see the flaw in this logic?

Let's look at it another way. Let me say "I'm going to kill you".

Context is everything. Context could be we are at a party and someone just played a prank on me by dumping some kind of juice on me. I laughingly say out "I'm going to kill you".

Now, think of another situation. I'm fighting with with someone. There are weapons involved. I say "I'm going to kill you" as I get my hand on a gun or a knife.

Having a taser pointed at someone is pretty much the same thing. It needs context.

Edit.

Regarding context, some (bad) cops try to create their own narrative about the context. Remember this case?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ed-gun-man-picking-trash-outside-his-n1006851

That's an example of the (bad) cop trying to stir up shit with context. He repeatedly called the trash pickup thing the college student had as a "blunt object". In cop lingo, a blunt object is normally used for something that is intended to be used as a deadly weapon. The problem is some cops I used to know just started using that phrase to describe everything under the sun. That's a problem because that phrase is also used by cops as code for possible physical altercation with a deadly weapon. When I saw this case, I thought to myself the general public might not really realize how close that college student came to being killed by the responding cops.

No junior, you didn't provide any "context" you seem to be so newly concerned about, it was stupid posturing, you were pretending to be the man that don't take no shit, and all the rest ensued because you got pushback and don't want to own it.

 

[TX-Beau]

And so what even if you are angry? This shit happening is something to be angry about. Our emotions aren't something to be used against us or as a fault. Being angry about this stuff happening is completely warranted. Unless one is being irrational with those emotions, they are valid.

Being angry is why people are still in the street, if anything the guy in here for some reason wants to ignore all the problems that are inherent in the way that minority communities are policed, and toss out the same tired old excuses for the huge fucking problem. I said this elsewhere on here, I once got arrested, on the street, drunk outside a Frat party, with pot in my pocket - which the cops found. They destroyed the joint, took me in, I was out having paid a misdemeanor fine for public nuisance, back at the same party before midnight.

That is a fundamentally and unacceptably different policing in a lily white college town than you see in a Black community. You know as well as I do that this is why people are in the streets. It's not some rogue cops, or a few bad apples, it's systemic prejudice and racism in the way the law is applied up to and including the murders, and in the instance I just mentioned, the way the COPS destroyed evidence of illegal drugs to give me a break.

 

[Dominus]

No junior, you didn't provide any "context" you seem to be so newly concerned about, it was stupid posturing, you were pretending to be the man that don't take no shit, and all the rest ensued because you got pushback and don't want to own it.

Actually, I did provide context. Go back to my previous posts and check for yourself. I said someone pointing a taser at me during a physical altercation. I did not say this every time, but I thought the fact that we are talking about a case where a physical altercation was happening should be context enough. I did not try to walk back on anything. I still stand by what I said. Back when I was a cop, if someone was pointing a taser at me during a physical altercation, he's getting a bullet inside him. I'll compromise with other things. I'm not going to compromise with giving anyone any chance at killing me. 5 seconds is an awfully long time to be incapacitated during a physical altercation. I'll prove it to you. Don't do anything while I punch you silly for 5 seconds. I'll show you how much damage I can do to you in 5 seconds.

Anyway, since you refuse to stop hurdling insults at me every time, you win. I'm done trying to talk about this matter with you. I don't like talking to someone who keeps hurdling insults at me. Either try to discuss this civilly or don't. I'm not going to waste my time talking to a wall that only knows how to insult.

 

[gsdx]

if someone was pointing a taser at me during a physical altercation, he's getting a bullet inside him.

What you actually said was, "he would have gotten a bullet in his face".

You would literally blow his head off. That's a helluva lot different than shooting him somewhere 'non-fatal'. In other words, where in the face could you shoot him that wouldn't kill him?

 

[Dominus]

What you actually said was, "he would have gotten a bullet in his face".

You would literally blow his head off. That's a helluva lot different than shooting him somewhere 'non-fatal'. In other words, where in the face could you shoot him that wouldn't kill him?

You are nitpicking an expression?

The expression went back to the police training I went through. Even though we were all trained to aim center mass, when we talk it was always bullet in the face. Sorry that you are hung up on this insignificant detail.

Let me repeat in other words so we can be clear. Back when I was a cop, if someone was fighting me and he ended up pointing a taser at me, I'm going to take him out with my gun before he gets a chance to incapacitate me.

In training, I was put in a room filled with tear gas. I had to hold my eyes open with my fingers while they sprayed OC directly into my eyes. And I was tased. They had us do certain tasks like fight an aggressor, say our names and badge number, etc. I was able to do everything I needed to do while breathing in tear gas and getting sprayed directly onto my eyeballs OC, which was a lot more potent than the regular mace that people generally have. Being tased was the only time I couldn't do a thing. It is physically impossible for a person, any person, to be able to fight through getting tased.

As I said above, 5 seconds is a long time during a fight. Here is how you know. Ask a friend to punch your face repeatedly for 5 seconds. If you want, I volunteer to demonstrate how much damage I can do to your face in 5 seconds.

Someone who is physically fighting the police is as unpredictable as they come. Back when I was a cop, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be incapacitated for 5 seconds in a physical fight.

Look, I'm not trying to go against the wind here. If you look at other posts I have made elsewhere, you will see that I have been very critical of the police culture. This is one of the reasons I walked away from that profession. I still stand by what I said before, that I'm not taking sides in this matter. I'm just stating that back when I was a cop, I would have shot whoever that was pointing a taser at me during a physical altercation. I believe every cop would have done the same. Most cops have gone through being gassed, OC sprayed, and tased. Most cops are able to fight through the first 2. I know of no one who was able to fight against a taser.

Let me ask you this question. Again, I know I know the taser Brooks had couldn't have fired a 3rd time. But in the heat of the moment due to the physical altercation, the cop who shot him didn't think of that. Suppose for a moment that the taser was still functional and Brooks incapacitated the cop. From that cop's point of view, the the taser was fully functional and he could have been incapacitated for 5 seconds (at least). I say at least because different people react differently to being tased. Some people are incapacitated longer than that. What's next? Brooks now has a hold of the cop's gun. Then what?

Try to play it through in your head.

 

[Cormac135]

You are nitpicking an expression?

The expression went back to the police training I went through. Even though we were all trained to aim center mass, when we talk it was always bullet in the face. Sorry that you are hung up on this insignificant detail.

Let me repeat in other words so we can be clear. Back when I was a cop, if someone was fighting me and he ended up pointing a taser at me, I'm going to take him out with my gun before he gets a chance to incapacitate me.

In training, I was put in a room filled with tear gas. I had to hold my eyes open with my fingers while they sprayed OC directly into my eyes. And I was tased. They had us do certain tasks like fight an aggressor, say our names and badge number, etc. I was able to do everything I needed to do while breathing in tear gas and getting sprayed directly onto my eyeballs OC, which was a lot more potent than the regular mace that people generally have. Being tased was the only time I couldn't do a thing. It is physically impossible for a person, any person, to be able to fight through getting tased.

As I said above, 5 seconds is a long time during a fight. Here is how you know. Ask a friend to punch your face repeatedly for 5 seconds. If you want, I volunteer to demonstrate how much damage I can do to your face in 5 seconds.

Someone who is physically fighting the police is as unpredictable as they come. Back when I was a cop, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be incapacitated for 5 seconds in a physical fight.

Look, I'm not trying to go against the wind here. If you look at other posts I have made elsewhere, you will see that I have been very critical of the police culture. This is one of the reasons I walked away from that profession. I still stand by what I said before, that I'm not taking sides in this matter. I'm just stating that back when I was a cop, I would have shot whoever that was pointing a taser at me during a physical altercation. I believe every cop would have done the same. Most cops have gone through being gassed, OC sprayed, and tased. Most cops are able to fight through the first 2. I know of no one who was able to fight against a taser.

Let me ask you this question. Again, I know I know the taser Brooks had couldn't have fired a 3rd time. But in the heat of the moment due to the physical altercation, the cop who shot him didn't think of that. Suppose for a moment that the taser was still functional and Brooks incapacitated the cop. From that cop's point of view, the the taser was fully functional and he could have been incapacitated for 5 seconds (at least). I say at least because different people react differently to being tased. Some people are incapacitated longer than that. What's next? Brooks now has a hold of the cop's gun. Then what?

Try to play it through in your head.

This is the most threatening post i've read on here in years,

Reported.

 

[TX-Beau]

You are nitpicking an expression?

The expression went back to the police training I went through. Even though we were all trained to aim center mass, when we talk it was always bullet in the face. Sorry that you are hung up on this insignificant detail.

Let me repeat in other words so we can be clear. Back when I was a cop, if someone was fighting me and he ended up pointing a taser at me, I'm going to take him out with my gun before he gets a chance to incapacitate me.

In training, I was put in a room filled with tear gas. I had to hold my eyes open with my fingers while they sprayed OC directly into my eyes. And I was tased. They had us do certain tasks like fight an aggressor, say our names and badge number, etc. I was able to do everything I needed to do while breathing in tear gas and getting sprayed directly onto my eyeballs OC, which was a lot more potent than the regular mace that people generally have. Being tased was the only time I couldn't do a thing. It is physically impossible for a person, any person, to be able to fight through getting tased.

As I said above, 5 seconds is a long time during a fight. Here is how you know. Ask a friend to punch your face repeatedly for 5 seconds. If you want, I volunteer to demonstrate how much damage I can do to your face in 5 seconds.

Someone who is physically fighting the police is as unpredictable as they come. Back when I was a cop, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be incapacitated for 5 seconds in a physical fight.

Look, I'm not trying to go against the wind here. If you look at other posts I have made elsewhere, you will see that I have been very critical of the police culture. This is one of the reasons I walked away from that profession. I still stand by what I said before, that I'm not taking sides in this matter. I'm just stating that back when I was a cop, I would have shot whoever that was pointing a taser at me during a physical altercation. I believe every cop would have done the same. Most cops have gone through being gassed, OC sprayed, and tased. Most cops are able to fight through the first 2. I know of no one who was able to fight against a taser.

Let me ask you this question. Again, I know I know the taser Brooks had couldn't have fired a 3rd time. But in the heat of the moment due to the physical altercation, the cop who shot him didn't think of that. Suppose for a moment that the taser was still functional and Brooks incapacitated the cop. From that cop's point of view, the the taser was fully functional and he could have been incapacitated for 5 seconds (at least). I say at least because different people react differently to being tased. Some people are incapacitated longer than that. What's next? Brooks now has a hold of the cop's gun. Then what?

Try to play it through in your head.

Blah blah blah blah blah.

All you're doing is re-stating all the excuses you've already made to excuse your puerile attempt to be the big dog with the big bite. We're not stupid.

I'm beginning to think your story is all bullshit. It's time to get skeptical when someone starts massively overcompensating with hypotheticals and what ifs.

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This is the most threatening post i've read on here in years,

Reported.

Fortunately it sounds like fiction trying desperately to be reality.

 

[gsdx]

You are nitpicking an expression?

'Opening a can of worms' is an expression. 'Shooting a man in the face' is not.

And I have played it through in my head, and I still think you're full of shit. At the time Brooks was shot in the back as he was running away, The Cop Was NOT In Danger!!

You can bet your ass that if Brooks had been white, he'd still be alive today. And that's why BLACK LIVES MATTER.

You're the one that's not getting it, but your arrogance and ego won't allow you to 'get it' now that you've dug yourself into this hole.

 

[Sausy]

Dylan Roof shot up a church full of blacks and the white cops who arrested him bought him Burger King.

A scared drunk man who happened to be black gets shot in the back.

America, today.

 

[Alistair]

What you actually said was, "he would have gotten a bullet in his face".

You would literally blow his head off. That's a helluva lot different than shooting him somewhere 'non-fatal'. In other words, where in the face could you shoot him that wouldn't kill him?

What he's saying now is he'd really have shot him in the back while the man was running away if he was a police officer.

 

[opinterph]

back when I was a cop

Back when I was a cop,

Back when I was a cop,

Back when I was a cop, … Back when I was a cop, … Back when I was a cop,

What about now - when you are presumably not a cop?

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… What's next? Brooks now has a hold of the cop's gun. Then what?

Try to play it through in your head.

I'm curious to know what happened to Officer Brosnan in this imaginary hypothetical situation?