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Remarks by the President on Common-Sense Gun Safety Reform

JANUARY 04, 2016


Memphis, Tennessee

Name: LeTara Jones
Age: 13
Age Group: Teen 12-17
Gender: Female
Status: Killed


Age: 1
Age Group: Child 0-11
Status: Injured



Accidental Shooting - Death
Playing with gun

Frayser, man whose accidental shot through floor hit girl and 12-week-old baby she was holding later shot and killed by another person when he tried to run away

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...-accidental-shooting-suspected-shooter-killed
 
^^^^^^^

That's the first ten days of child gun deaths in the US this year.

Parents shooting kids. Neighbours shooting kids. Kids shooting kids.

It makes me cry just thinking about. I don't see why President Obama wouldn't.
 
That second amendment sure has enabled a lot of people to kill each other...

Given the USA is a democracy, there is a democratic process available to make gun ownership illegal... If only. Fairness and rationality left this debate a long time ago.
 
Zu-Mendel said:
Have you ever fired a pistol chambered in a self defense cartridge before? Slam your phone on the ground over and over, then see how effectively your fingerprint scanner works. Reliable biometrics in firearms is the holy grail of law enforcement service pistols; the first person who patents this kind of tech will see their great grandkids never working a day in their lives.
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You don't need biometrics, just a wireless radio signal sent from a smart watch or anything on the cop.
And anyway, even if you smashed the gun on the ground over and over the thing would still be locked.
 
opinterph said:
Having reviewed the matter somewhat, I agree that Hillary’s claim of special protection for gun manufacturers and resellers under provisions of the PLCAA is essentially false. At the same time, I agree with Bernie Sanders that implications arising from the legislation for which he voted are “complicated.” (In that respect, I must also note that voters do not typically expend too much of their own personal effort to understand complicated matters.)

With respect to firearms, strict liability is a legal term that describes a more or less absolute responsibility of a manufacturer or reseller for a product that is used by a purchaser to commit a criminal act – regardless of whether the manufacturer or reseller is guilty of negligence or willful misconduct.

The PLCAA provided statutory immunity for gun manufacturers or resellers against claims of strict liability. Most [all?] other industries also have immunity from claims of strict liability. In this respect, the PLCAA offered a straightforward way for gun manufacturers and resellers to have lawsuits against them dismissed – without expending substantial legal and financial resources to achieve that relief in court. (Apparently some local jurisdictions had passed ordinances that proposed to hold gun manufacturers and resellers to a standard of strict liability.)
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At the time I argued -- both to the NRA and my senators -- that the law shouldn't single out firearms but should be written to cover all manufactured goods, so that all would be protected the same. It is irrational to hold the manufacturer of anything responsible for the criminal use of their products, whether a gun, a cigarette lighter, a car, a kitchen knife, a crowbar, or whatever.
 
opinterph said:
I disagree.
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There are a few fringe outfits which cut corners, but the major manufacturers emphasize safety. They've determinedly tackled the issue of guns going off when dropped, for example, and constantly look for ways to make accidental discharges harder without compromising the ability to use the gun.
 
andysayshi said:
JANUARY 09, 2016

Louisville, Kentucky


Name: Andre Lamont O’Neal Jr.
Age: 8
Gender: Male
Status: Killed


Accidental Shooting

boy shot at home when man dropped gun and it discharged

1 gun involved.

Type: Handgun

http://www.whas11.com/story/news/2016/01/10/lmpd-investigating-fatal-shawnee-shooting/78587266/
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There's no "dropped gun and it discharged" claim in the link.

BTW, at least one firearm manufacturer has at its own expense offered alteration or replacement of older models so they can no longer discharge due to dropping.
 
Kabluey said:
That second amendment sure has enabled a lot of people to kill each other...

Given the USA is a democracy, there is a democratic process available to make gun ownership illegal... If only. Fairness and rationality left this debate a long time ago.
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It enables a lot more people to protect themselves and others. According to recent CDC figures, that occurs better than once a minute in the U.S.
 
vidarr said:
You don't need biometrics, just a wireless radio signal sent from a smart watch or anything on the cop.
And anyway, even if you smashed the gun on the ground over and over the thing would still be locked.
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That's one reason law enforcement isn't excited about such guns yet: they have poor reliability under actual field conditions; if the electronics are screwed up, the officer is effectively disarmed.
 
Kulindahr said:
No. Like most things, they are only dangerous in the hands of those who don't treat them with respect and proper training.

It's easier to train someone to be safe with a firearm than with a chain saw or a car.
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That second sentence is an utterly specious comparison. Yes, firearms are inherently dangerous, that is the FUCKING POINT of a firearm. You will not be able to stop the gubmint from storming your end times bunker with a firearm that won't drop a storm-trooper.

That first sentence is the problem with all of your anti-regulatory discourse. You have no idea who is responsible and who isn't, not even "training" someone will make them responsible if they weren't responsible type people going in.

ANY argument based on the inherent "responsibility" of people is bunk.
 
Kulindahr said:
No. Like most things, they are only dangerous in the hands of those who don't treat them with respect and proper training.

It's easier to train someone to be safe with a firearm than with a chain saw or a car.
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The difference being thar's it's pretty hard to kill yourself with a chainsaw or a car, even using them irresponsibly. And that's because the manufacturers assume a fair percentage of the people using their products will be irresponsible (human nature being what it is) and design their products accordingly.

There is no National Automobile Association or National Chainsaw Association blocking improvements to the safety of those products.
 
Kulindahr said:
No. Like most things, they are only dangerous in the hands of those who don't treat them with respect and proper training.

It's easier to train someone to be safe with a firearm than with a chain saw or a car.
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The safest gun is one that can't fire bullets. Anything more than that is an instrument to kill.
 
T-Rexx said:
The difference being thar's it's pretty hard to kill yourself with a chainsaw or a car, even using them irresponsibly. And that's because the manufacturers assume a fair percentage of the people using their products will be irresponsible (human nature being what it is) and design their products accordingly.

There is no National Automobile Association or National Chainsaw Association blocking improvements to the safety of those products.
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No, the difference being that it's a lot easier to do serious harm with a chain saw without a lot more training that is necessary to be entirely safe with a gun.

And there's no association blocking improvements to the safety of firearms, BTW.
 
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