Rise of Fascism in the United States [SPLIT]

[KaraBulut]

Just to bring this home: if you still have one of your N95 masks from the pandemic, look at the packaging and you'll see that it was NIOSH certified. We know that those masks filtered >95% of particulates because NIOSH tested them and certified them.

They were also a bulwark for fighting black lung disease in coal miners.

 

[TX-Beau]

...“Using the powers of the federal government to target lawyers for their representation of clients and avowed progressive employment policies in an overt attempt to suppress and punish certain viewpoints, however, is contrary to the Constitution,” the opinion goes on. “The Supreme Court has long made clear that ‘no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics … or other matters of opinion.’ Simply put, government officials ‘cannot … use the power of the State to punish or suppress disfavored expression.’ That, however, is exactly what is happening here.”...

MSN

No doubt this is Biden's fault.

 

[rareboy]

But will TrumpCo. abide by the ruling? Or is the damage irreparable to Perkins Coie?

The order suspended security clearances from Perkins Coie employees and stripped their access to government buildings. Ultimately, the court viewed those moves as “retribution” for the plaintiff’s work, including the firm’s high-profile representation of Hillary Clinton during her failed 2016 presidential campaign.

I want to see this as a real win for law firms and other threatened parties.

But I'll bet that TrumpCo. isn't finished with this yet.

 

[rareboy]

And meanwhile, the National Endowment for the Arts has cancelled all grant applications as TrumpCo. set about to destroy it.

The worst of this once again is that Congress could put a stop to this at any point in time.

National Endowment for the Arts Cancels Grants After Trump’s Proposed Elimination of Agency

The NEA began canceling grants not long after Trump proposed to eliminate the agency in his 2026 budget.

www.artnews.com

 

[NotHardUp1]

This merely proves that Trump is not the only problem, but the symptom.

That Congress has rotted on the vine and allowed the violations of the Constitution means we are sliding VERY close to anarchy and revolution.

And if Congress will not perform their Constitutional duties, then I'm all for it burning down.

We'll start over with whatever, but we're not doing fascism, and we're not exempting the Congress when it comes time to clean house. Chaos is coming, and there will be a lot of blood shet on both sides of the aisle.

 

[NotHardUp1]

A sad, sad state of affairs. Tom Homan is a thug.

 

[rareboy]

This merely proves that Trump is not the only problem, but the symptom.

That Congress has rotted on the vine and allowed the violations of the Constitution means we are sliding VERY close to anarchy and revolution.

And if Congress will not perform their Constitutional duties, then I'm all for it burning down.

We'll start over with whatever, but we're not doing fascism, and we're not exempting the Congress when it comes time to clean house. Chaos is coming, and there will be a lot of blood shet on both sides of the aisle.

Well, it is right out there in the open, isn't it.

Trump just takes his marching orders from the 2025 legal team.

He doesn't even think about the actual oath he took upon inauguration. And I suspect that they told him that if his hand wasn't on the bible, the words don't count.

 

[KaraBulut]

That Congress has rotted on the vine and allowed the violations of the Constitution means we are sliding VERY close to anarchy and revolution.

It's a representative democracy. The problem is not the elected. The problem is the electorate.

David Hogg has been out doing interviews saying that it's time to throw out old, stale, entrenched Democrats in safe districts and replace them with younger people who are more in touch with the problems of average Americans and you have a vision for reforming the system. He has the message right. Expertise can be developed in school boards, county governments, state governments and other federal government positions. We don't need a Congress full of in their 70s who die in office after serving 30+ years, and whose purpose is to perpetuate the stale bureaucratic system and then get themselves re-elected.

Hogg's plan to bring in a new energetic group with new ideas will work but only if the system is reformed to make every Congressional seat a competitive race for everyone. If we have a politicians like Alan Grayson, MTG, Matt Gaetz, Robert Menendez, Dennis Kucinich who get re-elected with big margins, we have a bigger problem with the electorate, with the primary system and with gerry-mandered districts.

 

[TX-Beau]

I always encourage people to get involved with the electoral process. It's good citizenship, and you see very quickly why the people who get elected get elected.

It's surprising how many people react to your offering to help them register in a public venue like a State Fair as if you just slapped their Grandma. The outright hostility has worsened, but the main issue is apathy. It's really frustrating listening to people complain and then not bothering to know anything about the people who are voted into office. A HUGE number of people can't name their congressmen, let alone their state representatives, and forget about the elected judiciary.

It's frustrating when they react to being told this is all of our civic responsibility with hostility and get huffy when you try to encourage them to participate.

That's before you get to the endless ignorance on any given policy originating either in propaganda or wilful refusal to educate themselves, partisan blind loyalty - people will say that Republicans are better with money, despite all evidence to the contrary, or that Democrats want to spend everyone's money while supporting the programs Democrats created. These people go into the voting booth and vote a mix of feelings-based ideas ranging from racism to religious intolerance, habit, ignorance, expedience, rumor, and propaganda.

I suppose there might be all of that in other countries, but I'm not there, and they don't seem to be consistently electing criminals.

There are three reasons we are where we are: the first is voter apathy, complacency, and refusal to engage. The second is racial history that's never been addressed, and the third is the utter failure of the media to act as a purveyor of accurate, understandable information.

 

[KaraBulut]

There are three reasons we are where we are: the first is voter apathy, complacency, and refusal to engage. The second is racial history that's never been addressed, and the third is the utter failure of the media to act as a purveyor of accurate, understandable information.

You are in a state with some of the lowest turnout numbers in the country. Let's also add a fourth reason- some States have political power structures that make it as hard as possible to vote.

Presidential election years typically have a 60-70% turnout. Off year elections get about 45-55% of the electorate to turn out.

States like Alabama, California, Hawaii, Mississippi and Texas typically have turnout numbers that are below the norms. These states also have a large number of minority voters who are more inclined to vote Democrat.

 

[cityboy-stl]

This merely proves that Trump is not the only problem, but the symptom.

That Congress has rotted on the vine and allowed the violations of the Constitution means we are sliding VERY close to anarchy and revolution.

And if Congress will not perform their Constitutional duties, then I'm all for it burning down.

We'll start over with whatever, but we're not doing fascism, and we're not exempting the Congress when it comes time to clean house. Chaos is coming, and there will be a lot of blood shet on both sides of the aisle.

Burning what down? Are you advocating scorched earth? Nullifying the Constitution? Anarchy? Civil War? Secessions? Submitting to foreign take over?

 

[NotHardUp1]

Well, it is right out there in the open, isn't it.

Trump just takes his marching orders from the 2025 legal team.

He doesn't even think about the actual oath he took upon inauguration. And I suspect that they told him that if his hand wasn't on the bible, the words don't count.

No one who has ever listened to Donald J. Trump for more than 14 minutes knows quite well that honesty and integrity are not even possible for him. He is such an inveterate liar that he truly believes no one has those virtues. He is transactional. He will say anything and then the opposite, and claim CEO exemption when called on it. He is a true Tsarist.

We need to stop referring to him as king. Kings have constitutional limits and are subject to parliaments. He seriously envisions himself as the owner of the company and therefore can violate anything he damned well pleases. It tells you everything you need to know about how he has violated law and the SEC, FTC, EPA, HUD, and many others.

It's a representative democracy. The problem is not the elected. The problem is the electorate.

David Hogg has been out doing interviews saying that it's time to throw out old, stale, entrenched Democrats in safe districts and replace them with younger people who are more in touch with the problems of average Americans and you have a vision for reforming the system. He has the message right. Expertise can be developed in school boards, county governments, state governments and other federal government positions. We don't need a Congress full of in their 70s who die in office after serving 30+ years, and whose purpose is to perpetuate the stale bureaucratic system and then get themselves re-elected.

Hogg's plan to bring in a new energetic group with new ideas will work but only if the system is reformed to make every Congressional seat a competitive race for everyone. If we have a politicians like Alan Grayson, MTG, Matt Gaetz, Robert Menendez, Dennis Kucinich who get re-elected with big margins, we have a bigger problem with the electorate, with the primary system and with gerry-mandered districts.

I think I differ.

From the inception of demcracy, there have been base movements in populism. But, the successful democracies withstand that element, and the integrity of the elected prevails over the corrupt or anti-constitutional tendencies.

In America, both parties do and have gerrymandered.

The prevalence of mercenary disruptors is evidence of a no-confidence vote among the working class. The fact that the GOP successfully hijacked the working class vote from the Democrats after decades of being identified as the upper classes party is evidence of Trump riding the dissatisfaction, offering mere cultural victories while raping away the benefits the working man had in the federal government's agencies.

And all the GOP had to do was sell its soul, and play hard on abortiton in the pedals while running a fugue in the great and swell with hormone treatements for children of dysmorphic parenting and a full-throated rejection of that everything in white America is racist above all else. Hmmm, I wonder WHO could have let the opposition dwindle to only SJW topics instead of health care, minimum wage, and affordable housing?

You are in a state with some of the lowest turnout numbers in the country. Let's also add a fourth reason- some States have political power structures that make it as hard as possible to vote.

Presidential election years typically have a 60-70% turnout. Off year elections get about 45-55% of the electorate to turn out.

States like Alabama, California, Hawaii, Mississippi and Texas typically have turnout numbers that are below the norms. These states also have a large number of minority voters who are more inclined to vote Democrat.

But that doesn't get at the heart of the issue. Again, low voter turnout is a symptom, not the problem.

And, it isn't THAT hard to vote.

The electorate includes a large swath of uneducated citizens who have no clue about what politicies do what, nor do they care a whit. For many of them, their houses would have to be bulldozed before they'd make the effort to go vote. They simply don't care. And in that swath, I'm including many college educated persons who never learned anything in college outside their vocational training as business majors or some specialized technical field like IT or engineering. My co-worker, a decent guy with a teen son, a divorce, and a middle-class income, mentioned last yeart that he had never voted before 2024. He is in his mid-40's. I don't think he is rare at all.

Too many liberals argue that everything is about poverty and the least capable, but there are plenty of the poor that make it to a sports game or pop concert or casino or theme park when they want to, so showing up to vote once every four years isn't that big of a hurdle.

And many of the young see how little voting matters when GOP and Democrat alike claim to be helping, when what they are actually doing is helping their corporate lobbies and screwing the working man.

So, their no-show IS their vote.

That also explains why SO many support MAGA and its anti-constitutional strain. If the Constitution isn't helping in the current disintegration of Aamerican society, why would they care if it is ignored? It's not like the law is sacred to them. They see it bent for the rich every day. And they know Epstein didn't kill himself.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Stephen Miller sues Chief Justice Roberts:

Brian Tyler Cohen News on YouTube

 

[rareboy]

Interesting.

There were rumours flying over the last week that Miller would be the one charged with Contempt of Court, certainly a lawsuit to bring jusrisdiction of the courts under the President is an interesting gambit.

The Roberts Court has already weakened and tarnished the SC to such a degree that anything now seems possible.

The question is, who could even adjudicate this case?

Group Founded by Trump Ally Stephen Miller Sues John Roberts in Bid to Control Courts

Read more here.

www.democracydocket.com

 

[KaraBulut]

Interesting.

There were rumours flying over the last week that Miller would be the one charged with Contempt of Court, certainly a lawsuit to bring jusrisdiction of the courts under the President is an interesting gambit.

The Roberts Court has already weakened and tarnished the SC to such a degree that anything now seems possible.

The question is, who could even adjudicate this case?

Group Founded by Trump Ally Stephen Miller Sues John Roberts in Bid to Control Courts

Read more here.

www.democracydocket.com

This might be a good time for someone to bring a case to SCOTUS that section 503 of the IRS code is unconstitutional. It's time we found out which billionaires and millionaires are financing the autocracy.

 

[TX-Beau]

Interesting.

There were rumours flying over the last week that Miller would be the one charged with Contempt of Court, certainly a lawsuit to bring jusrisdiction of the courts under the President is an interesting gambit.

The Roberts Court has already weakened and tarnished the SC to such a degree that anything now seems possible.

The question is, who could even adjudicate this case?

Group Founded by Trump Ally Stephen Miller Sues John Roberts in Bid to Control Courts

Read more here.

www.democracydocket.com

It's Unconstitutional on its face. The Executive does not have judicial authority, period. What that tries to do is invalidate the Constitution entirely.

 

[Norri]

More to the point it’s ballsy to ask a court to recognize your authority over them when they have authority over you. Unconstitutional or not no court will voluntarily diminish their power. With his love of power even Trump should understand that.

 

[TX-Beau]

More to the point it’s ballsy to ask a court to recognize your authority over them when they have authority over you. Unconstitutional or not no court will voluntarily diminish their power. With his love of power even Trump should understand that.

They already declared Toad king. I wouldn't be so sure of that.

 

[rareboy]

More to the point it’s ballsy to ask a court to recognize your authority over them when they have authority over you. Unconstitutional or not no court will voluntarily diminish their power. With his love of power even Trump should understand that.

When they gave him immunity, they made him a dictator.

And sealed their own fate. And the demise of the judicial branch as a co-equal branch of government.

And no one can give their power back to them.

 

[Norri]

Do tell then why are they suing?