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Robin Roberts, Jason Collins,Derrick Gordon, Michael Sam dating white gays why?

Isn't it possible though that black gays choose white boyfriends not because they are socially better but just because they are different?

As a white guy I can honestly say that when having sex with black guys the difference in skin colour was incredibly sexually evocative.

I would say of course but then it's hardly the reverse. There are some white men who prefer men of color but they are definitely a small minority when comparing the number of gay white men out there.

So if you have a lot of men of color who exclusively want white men and white men preferring men of color is incredibly less common proportionately, I am 100% sure it's not merely because of difference.

Again this obviously doesn't apply to everyone but when there are obvious reoccurring patterns there's something going on.

Sorry for typos or bad grammar. Doing this all on my phone.
 
I would also add one further thought.

It should be regarded as a huge....and I mean HUGE advance in any social structure that people can freely and openly fall in love outside their own race and associate in public. It isn't that long ago that even in the US....this was not the case.

The fact that a whole bunch of black celebrity homos are now able to be in public with their bf's is totally wonderful in my books.

It's unfortunate that there is the "It is never good enough" crowd. And the fact that whether it interracial, inter-generational, etc, people always find reasons to have a problem with that too. It is a sad fact that not only do you get white folk looking down on white folk for dating outside their race, but at the same time the person(s) of non white races get it flack from their own race.

Although there is possible merit to the discussion that will unfortunately never come from the usual suspects on here. And unfortunately for the people who think like this, I feel like they'll never consider for any couple like this that maybe, they just fucking like each other and that is why they want to be with each other. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Nothing wrong with it. I think there's something wrong with society that makes people believe that one race is inherently more attractive than the rest though.

I would say of course but then it's hardly the reverse. There are some white men who prefer men of color but they are definitely a small minority when comparing the number of gay white men out there.

So if you have a lot of men of color who exclusively want white men and white men preferring men of color is incredibly less common proportionately, I am 100% sure it's not merely because of difference.

Again this obviously doesn't apply to everyone but when there are obvious reoccurring patterns there's something going on.

Sorry for typos or bad grammar. Doing this all on my phone.

I know what you're talking about Lucky, which is why I'm relatively heavily critical of noninclusion of many nonwhite groups in modelling, TV shows, romantic leads, and general beauty imagery which all contributes to the U.S. (and, largely, western) beauty standard.

We can and should send clear messages to entities who, like Abercrombie & Fitch did, fill their stores with posters of white guys shirtless on beaches and then tell their store managers "get rid of those Asian cashiers, the people working in here should look like those posters." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalez_v._Abercrombie_&_Fitch_Stores)

However it's worth pointing out that this issue is not exclusive to gay dating patterns whatsoever, and sometimes on JUB I get the impression that people think these issues begin or end within the gay community rather than simply having its wake trail through it. I feel as though trying to address these issues through being critical of what we see in gay dating is sorta like trying to fix disparities in educational quality at the college level.

I guess in short I feel that it's futile to grapple with the problem from the point of telling someone that what they're attracted to is wrong or harmful after they've been raised in a lifetime of influences and a beauty standard that informed those attractions. What we should be addressing are the factors in society that create those gaps in perception in the first place. In general I feel those discussions gain far less traction at JUB, though, when they're not strictly tied to something that directly impacts gay people specifically.
 
Nothing wrong with it. I think there's something wrong with society that makes people believe that one race is inherently more attractive than the rest though.

...but the OP constantly trashes black men if they are not masculine enough...or not famous enough...

There are all kinds of standards he puts on other people....

I hope that EJ Johnson dates a black man so we can hear him applaud...or not...
 

I really don't nee any of that explained to me. I used a standard American usage. Though I *do* understand. Latino is a strange US category.

Nor is my response to you intended to be a dickhead post, though I see how you could read it that way if you chose.
 
(BTW Michael S's boyfriend is hot. Like adding him to my spank bank hot.)
 
I know what you're talking about Lucky, which is why I'm relatively heavily critical of noninclusion of many nonwhite groups in modelling, TV shows, romantic leads, and general beauty imagery which all contributes to the U.S. (and, largely, western) beauty standard.

We can and should send clear messages to entities who, like Abercrombie & Fitch did, fill their stores with posters of white guys shirtless on beaches and then tell their store managers "get rid of those Asian cashiers, the people working in here should look like those posters." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalez_v._Abercrombie_&_Fitch_Stores)

However it's worth pointing out that this issue is not exclusive to gay dating patterns whatsoever, and sometimes on JUB I get the impression that people think these issues begin or end within the gay community rather than simply having its wake trail through it. I feel as though trying to address these issues through being critical of what we see in gay dating is sorta like trying to fix disparities in educational quality at the college level.

I guess in short I feel that it's futile to grapple with the problem from the point of telling someone that what they're attracted to is wrong or harmful after they've been raised in a lifetime of influences and a beauty standard that informed those attractions. What we should be addressing are the factors in society that create those gaps in perception in the first place. In general I feel those discussions gain far less traction at JUB, though, when they're not strictly tied to something that directly impacts gay people specifically.

I agree completely. For gay men, date who you want. Nothing wrong with it.

It does help to be conscious of how society affects our decision making down to dating though. And maybe how our preferences and more importantly how we advertise them can make others feel is an important issue to be aware of as well.
 
...but the OP constantly trashes black men if they are not masculine enough...or not famous enough...

There are all kinds of standards he puts on other people....

I hope that EJ Johnson dates a black man so we can hear him applaud...or not...

The OP has a habit of trolling hard on these issues. His/her heart might be in the right place...maybe...but the effect is borderline offensive. I don't agree with the positions he or she espouses.
 
I want to know why all the smoking hot black guys in my hood go out with the fattest, ugly, stretch pant wearing nasty talking HO's on the planet. Jerry Springer rejects.
 
At the Stormfront website and other racist sites you will hear some white people asking the same question...why some white people don't date other white people and how they are insulting their race if they don't....

Is this any different? If so...why?

Personally...I don't think it is any different.

Absolutely.

When it comes to dating and what other people think, be like the honey badger.
 
You're right. I said likely and honestly,I say likely because I see it all the time. Literally I see it every day to the point where I'm almost right every time I guess a black guy's preference for white men.

And that's why I cringe because it often is a conscious decision whether they feel they can help it or not. It reminds me of my lesser status as a gay black male.

So these guys may have fucked a million black men. Nonetheless the image reminds me of a pattern that is too often true. It's not the fault of these celebrities and they shouldn't care. But it's still there.

As long as you have that lesser status in your own mind, nothing the world can do will make you free of it.
 
And, if you were to derive some kind of science from these numbers as the OP is apparently doing, then gay black men still show a preference for other black men, since black Americans are 13.6% of the U.S. population and 33% of the sample size picked another black partner out of a dating pool of other gay men that is 86.4% non-black. (Probably higher than that if you only count publicly out gay men as being part of the gay dating pool.)

So OP I don't get what you're saying-- are nonwhites only supposed to ever socialize with their own kind? Or do you operate under a presumption that all minorities interact with 100% their own race?

Nice statistical insight.

BTW, there's only one race -- our DNA isn't even as far apart as that of dog breeds.
 
Nothing wrong with it. I think there's something wrong with society that makes people believe that one race is inherently more attractive than the rest though.

It would be just as legitimate to wonder why white guys find black gay celebrities such a draw -- or, to put it a different way, why they think blacks are a better prize. After all, if they didn't think so, why would they be pairing with black celebrities?

The more I read, the more I'm convinced the real issue is all in someone's mind.
 
It would be just as legitimate to wonder why white guys find black gay celebrities such a draw -- or, to put it a different way, why they think blacks are a better prize. After all, if they didn't think so, why would they be pairing with black celebrities?

The more I read, the more I'm convinced the real issue is all in someone's mind.

You say that as if its common among white guys whereas its not.

Don't you love all the black men in major porn studios, gay movies, gay advertisements? Oh wait....

If its all in someone's mind, why do so many gay minorities prefer white men whereas the large majority of gay white men prefer other white men.
 

Um, not necessarily. One of the darkest-skinned Cubans I knew while in Florida had not a trace of native American blood in him -- what he had was Italian and Moor in the mix.

His grandsons, who'd picked up some native and some Italian/Castillian, weren't as dark as he was.

Anyway, from what the Cubans I knew said, Spanish and African and native and even Chinese (I'd never known Cuba had a significant Chinese community) all bred together and no one particularly cared. The same is true of Puerto Rico, where a pair pf parents can have kids of all different colors, thanks to a delightfully egalitarian ancestry.
 
You say that as if its common among white guys whereas its not.

Don't you love all the black men in major porn studios, gay movies, gay advertisements? Oh wait....

If its all in someone's mind, why do so many gay minorities prefer white men whereas the large majority of gay white men prefer other white men.

This word prefer. My husband "prefers" white men tbh. A lot of good it did him. I do not have racial preferences and have never touched a non-Caucasian penis. Life is weird.
 
This word prefer. My husband "prefers" white men tbh. A lot of good it did him. I do not have racial preferences and have never touched a non-Caucasian penis. Life is weird.

Have you ever propositioned a non-white person?
Have you ever propositioned a white person?
 
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