Robin Roberts, Jason Collins,Derrick Gordon, Michael Sam dating white gays why?

[IamNoah]

Have you ever propositioned a non-white person?
Have you ever propositioned a white person?

Yes to both. (When I was single.)

 

[Alnitak]

They haven't told us why, so the least assumptions have it that there are just more white men then black men at least in the United States. Interracial couples are on the rise here as well.

 

[IamNoah]

They haven't told us why, so the least assumptions have it that there are just more white men then black men at least in the United States. Interracial couples are on the rise here as well.

And still not anywhere near where random chance would locate them. At random one would expect almost half of whites to be in interracial relationships (40%). And someone should say despite problematic (imo) language around race and beauty gay men are *more* likely to be in interracial relationships.

 

[dpnice]

I would like to continue the comments on how society evaluates attractiveness and why the white college boy with pecs and white teeth has become the norm but I find it difficult to find the words to put it into a logical argument.

Is advertising presenting us with the image it thinks we want or the image it believes we have? Look back at all the Greek and Roman sculpture, they represent nearly exactly what we think, or are expected to think, is beautiful in these present times.

Plus is the "white" boy really the norm these days as here in France I see more and more blacks, Arabs and Asian guys in publicity.

I am certainly grateful for all the contributions so far as obviously I have no way of experiencing this aspect of society from a black guy's point of view.

 

[Kulindahr]

And that just shows how stupid the category is -- it isn't about color at all, it's about politics.

 

[xbuzzerx]

The main assumption I had trouble with in this thread (and it is by no means exclusive to this thread, but rather a common thing to hear around JUB) is the notion that from seeing a nonwhite gay guy with a white partner, we can reliably extrapolate that the nonwhite guy routinely prefers, or even exclusively prefers, white men.

From statistics alone, some groups will have a lot of trouble finding partners of exactly the same ethnic background who are gay, particularly in some regions and neighborhoods of the United States--- and that's even assuming that in order to "not show bias", all minorities should be seeking only partners from their own ethnic background by default to begin with.

That's also not even getting into the different rates at which gay men of different cultural backgrounds will be closeted, and the fact that many gay public venues or meeting places are in prosperous white neighborhoods. There are a lot of factors. Preference issues most certainly exist in American society but I think it's a leap to assume any nonwhite person currently in a relationship with a white partner "obviously" "always" prefers white people.

 

[Alnitak]

And still not anywhere near where random chance would locate them. At random one would expect almost half of whites to be in interracial relationships (40%). And someone should say despite problematic (imo) language around race and beauty gay men are *more* likely to be in interracial relationships.

I would also say that it is the white guy's choice to be in a relationship as well, although there is some obvious disparity in social status there just going on assumptions. I honestly don't know anything about their white partners at all. There might be some geographic reasons. If you pick a partner from a certain location, well that has a big impact on the likelihood of their race as well. However, for someone of high social status, geography is not really a barrier.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

The main assumption I had trouble with in this thread (and it is by no means exclusive to this thread, but rather a common thing to hear around JUB) is the notion that from seeing a nonwhite gay guy with a white partner, we can reliably extrapolate that the nonwhite guy routinely prefers, or even exclusively prefers, white men.

From statistics alone, some groups will have a lot of trouble finding partners of exactly the same ethnic background who are gay, particularly in some regions and neighborhoods of the United States--- and that's even assuming that in order to "not show bias", all minorities should be seeking only partners from their own ethnic background by default to begin with.

That's also not even getting into the different rates at which gay men of different cultural backgrounds will be closeted, and the fact that many gay public venues or meeting places are in prosperous white neighborhoods. There are a lot of factors. Preference issues most certainly exist in American society but I think it's a leap to assume any nonwhite person currently in a relationship with a white partner "obviously" "always" prefers white people.

Agreed. Although other than morrisey, I'm not sure who else feels this way.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

Yes to both. (When I was single.)

So were you just turned down by non-white guys? I'm just curious how it has never happened going by posts about your sexual history before.
Is it a lack of all men of color in your area?

 

[IamNoah]

So were you just turned down by non-white guys? I'm just curious how it has never happened going by posts about your sexual history before.
Is it a lack of all men of color in your area?

Even though there are lots of black people where I grew up/live now. There were relatively few black guys who:

1. I found attractive.
2. Were good all around *prospects* (spoke standard English, had jobs, etc---even for hookups stuff like this matters)
3. Were interested in me. (An no offense to anyone, this does not include really dark guys who are going to make my "light" skin a fetish, you know they exist, lol)

As for other non-white guys not sure why nothing ever happened I've made out with huge numbers of Latin/Asian guys, never gave one the D though. Not sure why. Meh.

 

[rareboy]

I would note that in my long ago past, I have had a black bf...when it was much more risque in some ways than now....and I never felt as though I was being used to buy him 'respectability' in the lily white world....nor did I feel guilty that we were banging one another and I was somehow keeping him from a higher calling of only fucking other black guys.

 

[ElmosToe]

Yep, our society is SOOOOO enlightened.

 

[Alnitak]

Yep, our society is SOOOOO enlightened.

It's a bit of a paradox anyway that certain interracial relationships are treated as a lack of progress.

 

[MorrisseyX]

I made an observation and people are having a heart attack. I find it not surprising BUT disappointing to see these black gay public figures with white partners. People on this thread are pretending that whiteness is not valued in society. I believe these black gay public figures believe IF they sleep with a white person they gain social acceptance in the white mainstream. I firmly believe these black gays WANT to distance themselves from the black community the gay and straight. Michael Sam for instance had a horrible childhood with dead beat parents and he was raised by whites. People on this thread like to pretend people of colour do not see the social and cultural benefits they attain by having a white partner. I would LOVE to see a black gay male public figure with a black boyfriend. Even on black blogs straight blacks on Lipstick Alley and sport forums notice these black gays preference for whites.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

I made an observation and people are having a heart attack. I find it not surprising BUT disappointing to see these black gay public figures with white partners. People on this thread are pretending that whiteness is not valued in society. I believe these black gay public figures believe IF they sleep with a white person they gain social acceptance in the white mainstream. I firmly believe these black gays WANT to distance themselves from the black community the gay and straight. Michael Sam for instance had a horrible childhood with dead beat parents and he was raised by whites. People on this thread like to pretend people of colour do not see the social and cultural benefits they attain by having a white partner. I would LOVE to see a black gay male public figure with a black boyfriend. Even on black blogs straight blacks on Lipstick Alley and sport forums notice these black gays preference for whites.

Noted. WE just think you're wrong.

 

[rareboy]

Noted. WE just think you're wrong.

Co-signed.

 

[Just_Believe18]

Because I like to think that we lived in an evolved society where any gay man can date whomever the hell they want, Morissey. Chill out.

By the way, your post #80 was filled with incredibly racist assumptions about people you don't even know. Take a hard, good look at yourself in the mirror. You need it.

 

[Kulindahr]

Noted. WE just think you're wrong.

Co-signed.

In the sense of mis-analyzing, yes.