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Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Yes, let's keep the killing fields going, for how many more years? I disagree that Ukraine started the war, I think Putin and Biden started it. Biden should have acted before Russia entered Ukraine or at least seriously helped Ukraine at the beginning of the war. We don't need leftist groups' terrorist actions that would give Trump reason to declare martial law.
 
If Biden had pre-emptively helped to arm Ukraine before Russia invaded, the right's head would have exploded about it. The right has been against doing anything to help Ukraine for the last three years. Saying Biden started the war makes no freaking sense at all.
 
No, Biden did not start the war.

He had to make the determination if Amereicans were willing to engage in what appeared to become WWIII. Were the stakes high enough?

Biden looked back at his predecessors, at the invasion of Crimea, and the shrug from Europe, and Obama's realpolitik decision.

Ukraine was not a vital interest to the U.S. The Russian threat, although not internal as Putin claimed, nonetheless wasn't worth WWIII and wasn't within the obligations of NATO, the framework through which the U.S. defines its European defense policy.

Sanctions were thrown at the windshield but to no effect.

America suffered internally and externally since the Korean and Vietnam fiascos. Principled wars grow sour when the nation would rather have her sons alive than her principles defended. And, Ukraine at the time was in the general category of "who?" to most Americans, as all other Soviet satellite states were, except for the elite and boys who had played Risk.

Obama, an infamously junior politician who had been elected literally as a token gesture, had not the experience or the support to declare a war, all the more when domestically, the GOP was already waging a war against him.

On the positive side, our nation had learned its lesson from Kennedy's disastrous administration. We did not want to turn the planet to a cinder for Cuba. On thte negative, it meant that Bill Clinton's policy, along that very same intent, was wrong, and the real precipitating act that enabled the Crimean invasion.

It's easy to judge in hindsight, to declare that Clinton should have demanded Ukraine's admittance to NATO then and there as surety, but he didn't. It is likely that the State Department's assessment was that it could actually trigger a Russian invasion then, and call a bluff before NATO could act.

Ultimately, the blame game that the GOP is playing is a lie. The GOP has been the house for war hawks for more than five decades. All the skillet banging made since the Ukraine and Gaza invasions were nothing more than distraction to keep attention off Trump's lunacy and inept statements while smearing Biden to win the election. Just last week, Representative Crenshaw, from Texas, made the statement in an interview that "wars broke out all over the place" or some similar hyperbole, again claiming they would not have under Trump.

No. They didn't. The Israeli conflict has never NOT been a war. It just boiled over, and could just as easily be traced to Trump sucking up and moving the embassy to Jerusalem to further stick it to the Palestinians. He's a specialist is spreading spite. It's what he does.

And the Ukrainian War did not just break out in 2022. It expanded. And why not? Putin had seen that Trump played games with Ukraine to try to get a 2nd term, and that Biden was a weak seatwarmer, so he rolled the dice and went in.

America is NOT responsible for the slaughter on Ukraine's soil. It's still Russia, even after America takes the hit for making hollow promises during Clinton's gambit. The many thousands are because Ukrainians are not done yet. They can't defeat the Russians alone, and Europe literally doesn't have the will or the armies tto do it without leaving the homelands vulnerable. And because the MAJORITY of Ukrainians would rather die than fold, we have supported.

Frankly, Europeans are much more acquainted with slaughter from her wars than Americans are. We are more intimidated. Yet, we would fight on if our shores were to see tanks roll in. And our economy right now is being buoyed by the aid we gave Ukraine. Were those federal contracts not let, our economy would look worse than Europe's.

Trump is an international embarrassment. He has in less than a month, made Europe more vulnerable to Russia. And domestically, because the GOP is cowed, the Senate has passed no resolution condeming Trump's lies. Without that, Europe, including Ukraine, is staring at the propect of a dissolved NATO.

Everything points to the coming collapse of our country. We have gone over the falls with Trump. This is merely the air time when we wait to hit the rocks below.
 
Dargelos said:
In another part of that post on Lies Antisocial Media, he continues to speak about himself as "TRUMP" where sane people would write me or I.
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The errors may look like Donald's dementia, but the kind of grammatical fail appears to be more typical of the young and uneducated. I think we will learn years hence that Baron was allowed to post in his father's account. Seeing Trump look on half-interested as Musk & Little Musk played in the Oval Office, I can easily believe he let Baron post as a joke and poke in the eye.
 
ravenstone said:
We don't need leftist groups' terrorist actions that would give Trump reason to declare martial law.
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To the contrary, we have no other hope. It will take the civil war igniting before the cowering Congress and simpering Democrats will take action.

We are living out the plot of a cautionary tale. We're going to have to erupt in illegal military actions on US soil by Trump before the opposition finally decides to act.

If they're smart, they won't just target Trump and Vance, but McConnell who oversaw the illegal blocking of presidental appointment of SCOTUS nominees, and the stacking of the federal courts. In the coming pogrom, the enablers should be targeted as a purge of this cabal. Root it all out.

If millions die, then it will be the cost of division.

We are no holder of virtue now. Let this abomination be aborted.
 
ravenstone said:
Yes, let's keep the killing fields going, for how many more years? I disagree that Ukraine started the war, I think Putin and Biden started it. Biden should have acted before Russia entered Ukraine or at least seriously helped Ukraine at the beginning of the war. We don't need leftist groups' terrorist actions that would give Trump reason to declare martial law.
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Pretty fucking crazy when people who say they voted for Trump can see him itching to impose martial law over protests related to a war that the US isn't even fighting? There isn't even a logical connection to left wing 'terrorists' taking action over Rzzziaz invasion of Ukraine and Trump's complete and utter capitulation to Putin because he gets his percentage on the back end of the deal.

I think we can all pretty much agree that when Trump seizes power after his Reichstag fire moment it will be as a result of incitement and 'terrorist' attacks orchestrated by his brownshirts.

They have all that practise from January 6th
 
Meanwhile, Musk and Trump continue to misrepresent and totally misunderstand the war in Ukraine.

But their position is by no means popular...even among their supporters.

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They Just Now Figured Out He’s A Traitor

For the love of god.
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Romania to Shoot Down Unauthorised Russian Drones and Missiles​

Romania has taken a significant step toward strengthening its national security by approving a bill that permits the shooting down of drones and missiles that unlawfully enter its airspace. This move comes in response to repeated Russian violations of Romanian airspace amid Moscow’s continued assault on Ukraine.

The Romanian newspaper Digi reported that the legislation is aimed at expanding and regulating measures for controlling national airspace. The bill, which was initiated by the Ministry of Defence, seeks to close a legal loophole that has so far prevented Romania from using its armed forces to neutralise aerial threats unless the country was officially in a state of war or emergency.

At present, the Romanian military lacks the authority to shoot down hostile drones or missiles unless the government declares an official emergency. The proposed legislation will change that, allowing Romania’s forces to intercept unauthorised aerial threats in peacetime as well. Additionally, NATO forces stationed in Romania will be permitted to participate in these operations under collective defence agreements.

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Romania to Shoot Down Unauthorised Russian Drones and Missiles – California Local Front Pages®

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All I have to say is "GO ROMANIA!"

Too bad Belarus won't do this.
 
Belarus is in the bag for the Kremlin.

They are all blithely working toward full unification in 2029.
 
Vive la France!

God bless Macron for setting the record straight IN the WHITE HOUSE!

Bravo!

 
So, the deal is about to be cut with Ukraine on war reparations.

It's heartbreaking due to
a) Trump's depravity,
b) Zelenskyy's valiant efforts to save Ukraine,
c) Musk's corruption,
d) Russia not being forced to pay and likely Trump will block efforts to seize Russian assets,
e) the inability of Ukraine to even survive if Musk and Trump hobble them before the Russian invaders,
f) the Senate's silence at this atrocity being exacted in the name of the U.S.; the "deal" should be a treaty and require ratification, and
f) the fact that the war is sttill in progress and Russia is being rewarded.

All that said, most of us are too young to have witnessed the end of WWII. In reading on the reparations from WWII, the terms seemed pretty harsh on not just Germany, but on Great Britain. Britain was still paying off its $30B+ to the US until 2006, by which time, interest had doubled the amount to over $70B.

Of course, that was very different in that we didn't hold a gun to Britain's head while the Germans were bombing the holy Hell out of her.

Trump's likely attempt to block seizing Russian assets and his obvious intent to let Russia keep the territory and give up NOTHING will get enough hawks against him to spell doom in the mid-terms and public opposition from some GOP as soon as Zelenskyy is forced to sign. This smacks of capitulation, which doesn't make America great again by becoming a scavenger over Ukraine's dying body.
 
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As the number approaches 900K killed and wounded rrrzznz, Putin presses on.

Ukraine though is apparently now having significant success sending rrrXXXzn glide bombs off course taking away a significant advantage that PutinCo. had up until lately.


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The human garbage that is JD Vance and Donald Trump was on full display today, trying to lecture a democratically elected head of state, shout him down, and then accuse HIM of being disrespectful. It was a shit show of novel proportions. The school-yard antics of claiming Zelenskyy has not said "thank you" to Trump for the invitation and then whining that he was "litigating" his cause in front of the press. Well, DUH!

This is excellent, as it gives Trump and Vance no quarter to hide their malice. If Congress doesn't act to sustain Ukraine now, then Trump will take the hit for scuttling Ukraine and essentially inviting in the Russians. And that MUST hasten the day when someone will try to take the fool out of this world.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/t...-exchange-in-oval-office-meeting-233194053845
 
NotHardUp1 said:
The human garbage that is JD Vance and Donald Trump was on full display today, trying to lecture a democratically elected head of state, shout him down, and then accuse HIM of being disrespectful. It was a shit show of novel proportions. The school-yard antics of claiming Zelenskyy has not said "thank you" to Trump for the invitation and then whining that he was "litigating" his cause in front of the press. Well, DUH!

This is excellent, as it gives Trump and Vance no quarter to hide their malice. If Congress doesn't act to sustain Ukraine now, then Trump will take the hit for scuttling Ukraine and essentially inviting in the Russians. And that MUST hasten the day when someone will try to take the fool out of this world.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/t...-exchange-in-oval-office-meeting-233194053845
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I saw it and it was sickening. This action will cost the United States dearly in the future.
 
The entire world recognizes naked bullying. They already knew Zelenskyy was being summoned for a photo op so the administration could claim (falsely) that Ukraine was on board with the US proxy negotiating. It's obvious we were offering Ukraine nothing, and that it was just a greedy grab. God bless Zelenskyy for not caving to an "ally" any more than he would to Russia.

Of course, Trump has never had a statesman bone in his body, and treats all interactions like he's a CEO talking to a supplier.

Trump's arrogance was fired up, and he could not play his typical wait while the unimportant guy is talking game. He blew up. And this whole thing looks almost staged by the White House in that Vance was present, a mystifying role when the President himseelf is right there. That TWO of them ganged up, shouting down and mischaracterizing Zelensky was shocking. I would pray European and other foreign ambassadors would formally protest the barbaric treatment of a fellow head of state. This is not time for diplomatic cowardice by democracies. They should all make it plain that Trump is in the wrong, regardless of the Fox machining spinning lies on this. America is NOT behind this treatment of Ukraine.

From USATtoday's site:

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